Dave's Garden Cookbook... revised edition? ;)

From having poked around a bit in Forums and in "Extras", I have discovered the delightful "Dave's Garden Cookbook"! http://davesgarden.com/cookbook/

Are reprints available for a hard copy of this? I would certainly love to have one on my bookshelf!

And along the same lines...

What are the logistics of producing and publishing a revised version, or even a second volume? It seems that the membership has grown a bit since the last one was published, and I sure see a whole lot of wonderful recipes coming out daily in the Recipe Forum... :)

Donna

Hi Donna,
The cookbook was indeed a very nice edition to all of Dave Garden junkies book shelf.

It was a huge effort on Trish, Dave's wife. She put in a lot of time working on it. I can't speak for her, but I am almost certain with her very full plate of raising their children, it will not be revised.

Hope this helps!

I imagine it was quite a demanding project with all the fabulous offerings by our lovely cooks here. One can always dream, though. :) Thanks, Lisa!

I would love to see a reprint too. But the job of collecting the monies and mailing all the boxes was rough. Trish has had another baby since then, so it's out of the question for her. I recall she said if anyone else wants to take it on, they can (paraphrased).

Sounds like a job for Super Donna all in favor say aye. aye yep the ayes have it. Donna when can I order mine. Ernie

LOL Ernie!

Actually, I've been thinking along those lines myself... Who knows what the new year might hold in store? ;)

Donna

I did not buy a copy of the first cookbook. My problem with it was that there are SO many recipes that do not take healthy eating into account, both in the first cookbook and on the recipe forum.

A recipe book overladen with sodium, fat, transfat, sugar and empty calories is of no use to me.

Well, if we do a new edition instead of just re-printing the old one, perhaps we should try to concentrate on healthy recipes with low-fat or low-carb and fresh healthy ingredients.

It won't sell.

Hi d. I'm not so sure that it wouldn't sell with this group. There's lots of good healthy recipes out there that are delicious.

Betty, Have you really looked at the recipes already posted? More than 90% are fat and sodium-laden and/or made with canned soup if a main dish, made for quick and easy, not health. Or lots of other non-healthy ingredients if a dessert. No wonder America is overweight.

Yeah, I know I will probably make enemies with this statement but WE need to wake up to the fact our diets are killing us.

well, I'm an example of that. I KNOW better and what's healthy but it's so compelling to eat those chocolate chip cookies. I swear, it's an addiction. As a physician's assistant put it to me, "eating sweets is a double-edged sword." She meant they're fattening when you eat them and they're addictive also.

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That's why I'm 15-18 pounds overweight myself... goodies are too tempting and I get lazy like everyone else. I try to limit it to goodies, though, and not my meals which I try to keep low fat and healthy, and enough so I don't crave anything else.

I'd say smoking is right up there in the Bad For You category! *wink*

LOL, ya got me, Brenda!

I posted recipes that my family enjoys. We do eat healthy, but we also enjoy that not so good stuff.
We all had the option of contributing recipes, if they were not enough healthy ones in there, that tells me that there wasnt enough interest for them to be submitted.
By all means, if there is revised edition, which i highly doubt, request a section on healthy/low carb/low fat etc.
I'll be honest, i've used my DG one time, and that was to find the recipe for grandmas gingerbread that i submitted. I didnt buy it for the recipes...i bought it because i wanted it for my collection and because it came from here.

Jen, I had NO intention of offending anyone. I'm the last to carry a "purity" sign, LOL. Look at it this way.. Yes, I'm fussy about the food I put in my body, yet I smoke (NOT good for me) and drink scotch (NOT good for me) so who am I to cast stones?

daruis, are we related? I think we may be siblings separated at birth. You sound SOOOOO much like me.

Darius, I think it would sell...I have the old cookbook and love it, I dont make too many of the things in it, but I enjoy reading the recipes and try to modify if I can. One of the challenges I have encountered over here is that a lot of recipes will say 1 can of mushroom soup well...that right off the bat eliminates it for me, as do the recipes that call for "one box of white cake mix" we dont have access to these things over here and I cant think of substitutes. If I were to make a pot of mushroom soup from scrath, you can believe that I'm not going to turn around and use that in another recipe...I'll be more inclined to eat it right then and there.....
I just posted a delicious recipe for falafel in the recipe forum, an alternative to hamburger patties....
(did you ever read TOXIN by Robin Cook it put me off meat completely...)
try it and let me know what u think...

Pebble, I shall take a look at your falafel recipe, it's something I often make. I must say in the first cookbook, you submitted the healthiest recipes and I've made several of them.

JoanJ, hmmmm... maybe we were seperated at birth!

Well, if you were separated at birth, you had a triplet in that womb. You both sound just like me in so many ways. lol

Darius, I am glad you enjoyed the recipes. Turkish food for the most part is very healthy....and not much is processed, packaged, condensed etc., which is hard when you have become used to those things.....for example, I do miss canned soups - I did learn to make cream of tomatoe from scratch, .....I miss macaroni and cheese and yes, I make it by scratch...but cooking just takes sooo long here....not to mention shopping etc. yada yada yada...I'll get off my whining soap box.

Darius,
no harm taken : ).
I actually have been looking a little bit in to changing the way i cook. I used to weigh 253 lbs, lost 100 lbs a 10 years ago and have kept all but 15 or so lbs off.
I kinda got a bit scared after the2nd cancer diagnosis and have been trying to figure out what needs to be eliminated from the diet....problem is it seems like everything is bad for us nowadays.
jen

Pebble,
what are some of the things you really miss food wise? i think we take so much for granted here, everything is pratically made for us.
looking at my christmas dinner list i see whole cranberry sauce, cream of mush. soup, canned yams, etc.
i couldnt imagine having to make all that from scratch just to put dinner on the table.

well, I'm having my son bring me a can of cranberry sauce, a can of yams, a can of pumpkin pie filling.....
I really miss campbells tomatoe soup...I learned to make it from scratch, but of course its nothing like campbells.....
the ease in which i use to fix dinner in the States amazes me...when I have to think of having to do everything from scratch is time consuming, you have to start dinner around 2 or 3 oclock, I can smell people cooking dinner in the morning, so that means they start really early.
I miss bagged fresh lettuce, bagged and cleaned spinach...do you know long I have to wash mine here? hours and hours, cause it comes straight from the fields, and often times there are critters still living in the leaves.
even rice is a chore, for some reason, we have to soak it here for 20 minutes before we cook it...i have tried several different types, and it took me a year before i figured out that what the ladies were telling me (soak for 20 min) was correct....

Dinner to go takes on a new meaning when the ingredients have to go from the US, doesn't it?

thanks for replying pepple.

when i lived in germany, we lived on the economy. we had a commissary on base, but that was probably 20 miles from where we lived.
there were times my g'friend and i would go to the markets and try to figure out what stuff was. ......now that i think about it, they didnt have a whole lot of processed, canned stuff either.
a lot of refrigerated display cases, huge bakery, meat counters, but i dont remember seeing a soup aisle.
i forgot to say ealier that i'm glad your son is coming. his dad is going to be so happy!!!

Pebble, I sure know what you mean. I miss Campbell's soups more than anyone would imagine. Cassaroles, soups, sauces,....all sorts of things can be made from them. Or hey, here's a novel idea....actually eat the soup as soup! Here there aer some powdered soups in packages, but quite frankly they are DISGUSTING! I think if we ever go back to the States for even just a year or two, I'll be hiding cans of soup in every pair of socks our family owns when it comes time to pack up and come back here LOL. It's really handy stuff to have around and you just don't realize HOW handy until you dont' have it anymore!

I know about the spinach too! When I first came here it was "fresh" like you describe. With the buds still attached all over and those are hard and impossible to eat so I had to filter through every single blade of spinach to make sure there weren't any of those left.... AND wash and rinse it all 3-4 times just to get rid of all the windblown sand coating it. Now we are very lucky and we have prewashed pre sorted spinach in sealed bags. I still rinse it, but it's a whole lot easier.

I also empathize with the effort it takes to make dinner here as opposed to in the States. I honestly have no idea why, but I feel like it's just such a BURDEN to make dinner here. To make spaghetti bolognase in the States was a snap, with a fresh tossed salad, some sort of vegetable, garlic bread and a table set and ready to eat all in under an hour. Here I feel like even something as simple and straight-forward as that meal just takes so much effort. I actually feel like I've accomplished something when I cook......whereas in the States, cooking was just part of the day....not a triumph LOL Of course, then I didn't have 3 kids needing my constant attention either LOL I really think space is a huge factor. Even when my kitchen is perfectly tidy, once I get out the cutting board I feel like the entire countertops are cluttered again. I feel very claustrophobic in kitchens here as they are all far too small in my opinion. I can handle small rooms elsewhere in the house, but a cramped kitchen just depresses me.

Jen, they didn't have Campbell's soup in Germany either when I lived there from 1992-1994.

-Julie

Julie, we must be living the same life....lots of pluses, dont get me wrong...but I miss a lot of the comfort things that i took for granted.
Also, on the spinach note, here, they eat the root of it too, which is good, but egads girl...you gotsta really scrub it....the markets are a marvel, a lot of the things that we call weeds are sold and eaten with quite relish. and they are extremely good for you.
I agree with you on the dinner thing. here it seems to be quite the chore, when i think back at how I worked a full time demanding job, had two young children and it was a snap to cook, it didnt take more than an hour from the time i got home till dinner on the table, of course, i did a lot of prep work on the weekends, and froze stuff that were partially cooked, i would brown 10 pounds of ground beef and put them in freezer baggies and freeze them, the easiest dinner was spaghetti bolognese, and it wuld take 20 minutes all told....i would use a bottled jar, ground beef, and add fresh veggies and voila...dinner, plus open a bag of salad, pop a loaf of bread in the oven and it was a snap....
oh well, we do get used to it dont we?
I made falafels yesterday, and I am missing something in my recipe....it wasnt as good as it should have been, you must have a good falafel recipe?
I am giving up red meat and trying to introduce alternatives to the family....the falafel wasnt a great hit I am sorry to say

I never expected such an interesting discussion in a cookbook/recipes thread....

I had to smile at some of the recent posts here as I felt the same thing when food shopping in the US for that short time. I think it's what you're used to having, I was glad to do my first food shop when I came back home LOL.

Darius perhaps many of the recipes were peoples special favourites, I know the Shepherds Pie I sent in is something I might have 3 or 4 times a year and certainly not a weekly feature, after having a quick browse there were quite a few that could easily be made with other low fat/low salt options.

Baa, I just read your Shepherd's Pie recipe... I've never had it with lamb, and only eaten it a few times ever. Mostly what I have had has been made with ground beef. Your recipe sounds much better, and not fat-laden.

But, I think you are right about many of the recipes being occasional favorites and not everyday fare.

Shopping deficiencies aren't limited just by country. I'm finding many, many of the things I am accustomed to buying in a larger town like Asheville are simply NOT available here 100 miles away in the country.

Admittedly,having a cookbook on hand is more convenient than going to the recipe section,scrolling and then printing a recipe of choice.Would it be feasible to begin a section devoted to the healthy choices which could then be printed as a whole ? I don't know anything about the requirements for making cookbooks, but have printed a couple recipes from DG for my own use. More a question than a suggestion. robert

I have a copy of the cookbook and have enjoyed every recipe I tried. It involved alot of hard work and effort to put it together, and although several members bought them, there were still leftovers that ended up being sold at reduced prices. I'd probably buy a second edition cookbook with new recipes, but then I am a avid cookbook reader.

I lived on the economy in Germany for three years, and when I first got there I didn't realized how much of a change it would be. Our commisary was a smaller one, and there would be a stampede for some items when they arrived. I'll never forget the day I was shopping just before Thanksgiving and poultry seasoning had just been placed on the shelves. You would have thought it was gold.

Pebble and Salvia_Lover, can Campbell's Soup as well as other items you miss be sent to where you live? Carol

carol sure but egads girl, the cost would be sky high....not worth it.....I'm going to one of the greek islands next week and i am hoping to find some of the comfort foods....canned soup will be one of the items i look for

Pebble, you also mentioned missing macaroni and cheese in an above post as well. I don't mind sending you a care package, I remember how much I missed certain things when I lived overseas. Please feel free to contact me. Carol

Are the new flat rate postal boxes only good if you ship within the US? I'm thinking probably so. It would be nice if they could come up with an international version of that box. It's great!

Darius, the shepherds pie is wonderfully versatile in ingredients since it's an old dish, if beef is used instead we call it cottage pie. You can use mushroom ketchup in place of the salt in the sauce and mash the potatoes with swede (rutabaga?), carrots and other roots for those extra veggies. A great thing about it is that you don't need a lot to feel full and it tastes better the next day ;)

I recently bought a book called the Victory Cookbook by Margurite Pattern which is full of recipes from WW2 when food was heavily rationed here. The government of the time had some nutritionists and cooks work on the best ways to use up the weekly rations for a healthy diet. It's stuffed full with some great ideas for cheap, nutritious and filling meals that don't take an age to prepare! It's also a big wake up as to how much the world has changed food wise since that time. When I have the time I'll post some of those I've tried so far in the Recipes forum.

We have the same here, we're just so lucky to be living in a diverse rural area where we can basically pick and choose where we shop for food and have the transport to do it. I know many in more industrial areas are just stuck with what the local store provides and the school dinners are only just starting to offer healthier options.

Balvenie

That's a good idea, I wonder if Dave would be willing to allow us an extra catagory in the online recipes?

Baa, will look forward to those Victory recipes... here in the States during WWII we had "Victory Gardens" so we could eat, but not as bad as the Brits had it. (One of my favorite books remains "...Charing Cross Road" and I forget the address number but her gifts of occasional foods was wonderful.)

Balvenie/Robert... wonderful suggestion!

JoanJ, unfortunately we can only get the flat rate rate if the package is sent within the US, or an APO/FPO if I understood correctly. I agree, it would be great if we could get an overseas rate as well.