Why is this Echeveria leggy and pale?

Cottage Grove, OR

It's currently getting several hours of direct, south sun daily and none of my other Echeveria, or anything else, are etiolated. In fact, my Crassula tetragona has apparently burned in the same sunshine. So...

History:

Purchased in July looking about identical to how it looks now: a lot of space between nodes. I assumed it was etiolated from lack of light in the store or nursery because some of the other succulents were also suffering from low light (Sedums with no red, Aloes flattened like sea stars, etc.). It was in a 3" pot of coir, I think. I left it in the same pot & soil, and slowly acclimated it to about 6 hours direct sun and the rest bright shade. I expected it to get some red edges. It didn't. It did develop some slightly tan/dry edges though. I have since moved, and for the last couple months it's been on a south-facing balcony. It hasn't really done anything since I got it. It's leggy, doesn't really have rosettes, doesn't have any red at all, and to me, looks pretty unattractive. It also shows no sign of flowering while it seems other people's plants are in bloom now.

What I want are relatively compact rosettes, some red edges, and blooms. What should I do? FYI, I moved it from its coir and small pot into grit with my Aeonium arboreum a couple weeks ago. The Aeonium is growing happily, and so are the calico kittens I also planted with it a week or so ago, so it should be growing also, but as far as I can tell, it's still just sitting there.

Terribly slow grower? Needs beheading? Stunted from life in coir? Stunted still from shop? Too much fertilizer (thinking that because excess nitrogen can cause fast growth and lengthy nodes while also suppressing blooms, or so I've read).

Opinions?

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Cottage Grove, OR

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It's currently getting several hours of direct, south sun daily and none of my other Echeveria, or anything else, are etiolated. In fact, my Crassula tetragona has apparently burned in the same sunshine. So...

History:

Purchased in July looking about identical to how it looks now: a lot of space between nodes. I assumed it was etiolated from lack of light in the store or nursery because some of the other succulents were also suffering from low light (Sedums with no red, Aloes flattened like sea stars, etc.). It was in a 3" pot of coir, I think. I left it in the same pot & soil, and slowly acclimated it to about 6 hours direct sun and the rest bright shade. I expected it to get some red edges. It didn't. It did develop some slightly tan/dry edges though. I have since moved, and for the last couple months it's been on a south-facing balcony. It hasn't really done anything since I got it. It's leggy, doesn't really have rosettes, doesn't have any red at all, and to me, looks pretty unattractive. It also shows no sign of flowering while it seems other people's plants are in bloom now.

What I want are relatively compact rosettes, some red edges, and blooms. What should I do? FYI, I moved it from its coir and small pot into grit with my Aeonium arboreum a couple weeks ago. The Aeonium is growing happily, and so are the calico kittens I also planted with it a week or so ago, so it should be growing also, but as far as I can tell, it's still just sitting there.

Terribly slow grower? Needs beheading? Stunted from life in coir? Stunted still from shop? Too much fertilizer (thinking that because excess nitrogen can cause fast growth and lengthy nodes while also suppressing blooms, or so I've read).

Oh, and a Crassula arboreum undulatifolia I bought at the same time, in the same medium and pot size, which I've treated exactly the same, had also done nothing. It didn't get any red in fire t sun either, and also dried slightly along the very edge. It is also now in with the Aeonium. All my other succulents except a rescued Aeonium 'kiwi' are at least doing something. Perhaps not coincidentally, many from this store have been a bit slow though.

Opinions?

Clarksville, TN(Zone 7a)

I would move it out of the community pot and into it's own pot with a good succulent soil mix that drains very well. Also make sure it is near a good, strong light source.

Opp, AL(Zone 8b)

Would you be able to add a pic of the whole thing?

Baja California, Mexico(Zone 11)

Yes, a pic of the whole thing would help.

A few thoughts based on your comments....

Not all clones of E. pulvinata develop red color, and other hairy Echeverias do not go red at all. The red color you see in some pictures is usually a particularly colorful selection (like the clone named "Ruby").

Most Echeverias flower once a year and no more. It's probably unreasonable to expect a new plant purchased in July to have flowered by now, especially given a whole year has not elapsed and you moved in the interim.

If you're giving dilute balanced fertilizer (say 1/4 the recommended dose, or 50 ppm N) and the plant is in the sun, there's no way you could be over fertilizing. I know this from experience growing about 15 different kinds of Echeverias.

You will see the most compact growth in direct sun (like an outdoor western exposure). If your plant is growing a stem under those conditions, that is the normal behavior and not a sign of anything wrong. Echeverias are not particularly fast growers for the most part and they need some adjustment to changes in conditions.

Barring any other discoveries here, I would simply recommend patience. Along with good light and regular water when the soil is going dry.

Opp, AL(Zone 8b)

Well said.

Forgot to say above, I think community pots are great. They're heavy enough so pots aren't constantly toppling over or blowing around, and companion plants help each other use moisture in the pot.

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Clarksville, TN(Zone 7a)

Unless there is a problem with a plant and then community pots may not be the best thing.

Cottage Grove, OR

Aaaah! I posted yesterday but it didn't "take." Bad signal strength here. Grrrr.

It WAS in its own pot, and it's only been in the community pot a couple weeks, so that isn't the issue. The Aeonium in there is very happy. Hope the Echeveria improves. It looks healthy enough, just plain, boring, and very un-red. :-( In fairness, the Crassula next to it came from the same place, same day, same pot and coir medium, same direct sun in the summer to get it to grow and turn red, and it is also just sitting there, being uninteresting, and it also got slightly tan edges instead of red this summer. Maybe they hate coir (pure coir, in pretty sure). By contrast, my C. tetragona has tripled or quadrupled in size in the same time, and all my other Echeveria have grown noticeably (all are single rosettes, but they're growing).

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Clarksville, TN(Zone 7a)

Then patience, as Baja suggested, may be the answer.

Opp, AL(Zone 8b)

Love the way you staked that!

Baja California, Mexico(Zone 11)

Judging by that picture, I would say all is going swimmingly well. The Aeonium will take over the container with time but that's a while down the road.

Cottage Grove, OR

I love that crazy Dr. Seuss Aeonium, so I'll be just fine with it taking over. I guess I'll just be patient with the others.

Glad you like my staking job, Purple. I really don't know how humanity got by before the invention of Bungees. ;-)

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