that really stinks about the pendula
spring time plant shopping
ss, Bummer
I'm wondering if the vendor at the sale will be at other sales and would consider a return of tree for one more suitable or 'store credit' for something else they may have. It seems I read something about a list of what plants were available at sale and FONA should know who supplied what and how to contact them
Then again you could move to a larger place!
I wonder if it could be kept more to the size you were sold on if container grown and selectively pruned and root pruned...like a giant bonsai???!!!!
Or maybe a local nursery would take it on consignment and pay you wholesale price when it sells.
Poor homeless tree. Poor you.
On the evergreen clematis, I believe they climb by twining around something rather than clinging like an ivy or a climbing hydrangea. I've read about a system of wires for climbing that can be detached from house when wall needs maintenance or painting and then reattached saving most of the plant.
SSG, I'd plant it. A quick google turned up a lot of images of 'Pendula' that were indeed quite narrow... and it's a slow grower also, so it should be relatively easy to selectively prune the branches and keep it within bounds. Could be that 'Pendula' as a cultivar is more compact than the species, too. If you like it -- keep it. Worst case scenario is that it outgrows its spot in 25 years and needs to be removed.
I think Jill's got it. Might as well plant it and see if you can keep it in place. Of course you know you can't just go in to prune like a deciduous shrub or tree....
Meanwhile, I have a Little Gem magnolia, at the front of the house, I do regret that choice. Told Mom It's a small variety!. Mom said Magnolias are pretty big trees...I don't hate it, but wish I did not have to limb it up to live with it.
ssgardener: I'm not sure I agree with the idea of planting it -- it can be a major problem to remove a tree like that -- It grows to 30-45 feet tall, albeit slowly! http://www.monrovia.com/plant-catalog/plants/732/weeping-nootka-cypress.php I think it would soon overwhelm your beautiful yard. Just my two cents.
Yeah, everytime you look at that tree, your enjoyment of it will be diminished by your knowledge of what it will grow into . Why do that to yourself?
And, speaking for the plant, these trees can live hundreds of years why doom it to a fraction of its life when there is someone out there with the right situation for it.
Have you offered it on the Swap thread?
We all make mistakes even trusting the assurances of a reputable vendor. So much of your yard is coming together why take a side trip on something else that you know won't work? Good luck fostering your pendula until you can find it a good home.
Sally, why can't you "just go in to prune" an evergreen as you would a deciduous shrub or tree? What am I missing?
SSG, if you decide to re-sell your baby 'Pendula', let me know... I bet you and I could take a look around my back tree-line and find a good spot for it.
Thank you all for your suggestions.
Jill, I think you could prune a regular evergreen, but this one has that pretty weeping form. I think pruning might ruin the "weepiness" of it.
I'm now 60% against keeping the tree. I'll let you all know once I get to 100%. :) Jill, I can definitely picture a mature Pendula in a corner of your yard. It would be a very pretty backdrop to your flowering shrubs.
I agree -- I think it would be stunning in Critter's yard....
http://www.cals.uidaho.edu/edcomm/pdf/bul/bul0644.pdf
my bad i should say cannot prune juniper same as deciduous. Got to stop saying evergreen when i mean conifer.
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We prune our conifers with the purpose of keeping the bottoms fuller, just by removing the apical bud will stimulate lateral growth.
Have been soooo behind with reading. Missed the National Arboretum plant sale too :o(
Anyway, saw some very cheerful azaleas newly planted outside a restaurant in Baltimore. Does anyone know a nursery that might be carrying this plant?
Right next to you in Gaithersburg is a monster azalea place. Whites azalea farm. I will try and find the link, it is off of Wildcat Road. Can't beat the price or selection. Tell him I sent you!
http://www.whites-nursery.com/
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Thank you, Paul. I will go take a look.
Whites has a huge area devoted to deciduous azaleas.
You know I think my Lowes had a couple of those last week.
My back-yard neighbor, Donald, has had this deciduous Azalea forever---
it came with the house when he bought it. I just walked over and took these pictures....
It looks like the ones Paul took a picture of....all woody and thin...
NO chance to get any cuttings fro it. From the deep pink one--possible.....??
The blooms are now starting to wither a bit--but you'll get the idea.
He also has a couple of these deep pink ones....
G.
http://m.monrovia.com/plants/196/girards-fuchsia-azalea.php
The deciduous azaleas are great.
I only wish I had the light requirements for them. I am bringing a baby similar to the fushia one, girards fushia. I think I have one or two left.
Paul--
HOW do you know the names of every plant you have?????????????
have you studied Horticulture? You seem to have quite a bit f knowledge on things....
Do you choose your plants by their Horticultural names as you buy them--
or do you get plants you love--and then look up their fancy-names?
I have a hard time with the H-names--as many people use ONLY those--and i do not know
what they are talking about...like--on their "haves" lists.
ME? Sorry! But--I just like what I have and call everything by their common names....
Less stress on my pea-brain....
i know.......i know........the reasons for the H-names.....REALLY ! I DO!!!
Just for fun.....
--Like, Paul--you dug up a "Chimonanthus Praecox" here not too long ago....great job!
--And--once i have time to dig up and divide it--I will be glad to share some of my
"Bowea volubilis" with you! Ain't you happy????
--And--I am SOOO excited on how big my "Justica carnea huntington" is getting!!! WOWSA!!
Can't wait for it to bloom this year....
.........;o) Gita
Hahaha.
Gita,
As you guessed it, I get plants that I love and then learn their names. I have spent quite an extensive time in Rhododendrons so I know more then most but not nearly even close to those who study them. I encourage you to make you way to Westminster, MD this Saturday for my chapter show and sale. They will have beautiful trusses there and we need people to vote. I should be there most of the day but if not you will find yourself among plant lovers that is for sure.
Saturday May 11: Rhodo & Azalea Show & SALE Westminster MD, more details see Paul's post: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=9512992 and this page: http://mdrhododendron.org/2011ShowSale.htm Show us your trusses!
Read more: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1311545/#ixzz2SjkXdCpq
I had to look up the Bowea Volubilis but I will probably remember that one now. I would wait patiently for the Justica. :)
I have a love affair with Kalmia Latifolia. I ordered a few different cultivars in rooted liners this year, I'm looking forward to letting them grow. I don't like how the nurseries bush them out, so it will be nice to start with small plants.
My business is research right now so I guess that helps. That and a good case of curiosity.
I'm looking forward to seeing all and meeting new faces.
Paul
SO! WHAT IS "KALMIA LATIFOLIA"? You missed my point here.........!!!
Gonna send you a D-mail in a bit---you will be happy--I hope...
Can't go anywhere this Saturday. I will be at work at a fun (??) Workshop with kids of all ages.
Supposed to be in Outside garden--but rain is forecast....;o(
It is MY Mother's Day thing I do--the kiddies plant a flower in a 6" pot for their Mom's. Yes! The, actually
do it themselves--with a bit of help from MOI.
Pots--courtesy of my hoarding used pots---and Bell Nursery will donate the plants.
Heart on sticks is my expense and my time--what the H...just watching TV and working at something....
I have already made a pile of them (70) on a bamboo sticks that they will put in the pot when done.
last year--we had 52 kids go through....a lot of work--but than again--our store does things no other does.
That is what makes US SPECIAL! AND--you should see the sign I made!!!! Van Gough would be jealous...
Our Store Manager, Curtis, is also spending $$$$ to buy 300 white carnations to pass out to every MOM
that walks into our store--as well to all the MOM-associates. WHAT A guy!!! Love him to death.
He is about 32--and always gives me hugs. HIS idea--NOT mine.....
SO--I will be busy! G.
I am about 25 miles south of Westminster. I will need to go to Virginia this Saturday, but will try to go to the show if I can get back early enough.
Interesting assortment of plants at local Sams Club in 2 - 3 gal pots
Variegated Ginger
Japenese aralia
False Leopard bane 'Giganteum'
http://www.plantdelights.com/Farfugium/products/176/
Acanthus mollis 'summerbeauty' b//www.plantdelights.com/Acanthus-Summer-Beauty-Summer-Beauty-Bears-Breech/productinfo/2526/
Thanks for the info, Judy.
Acanthus mollis 'summerbeauty' is an impressive plant. I first saw this plant in an English garden, and it was huge with loads of interesting flowers. I bought bare roots online 2 years ago. The plant is supposed to be hardy only to Zone 7, but it has survived 2 winters in my garden which is only borderline Zone 7. It is a great plant for a large woodland garden or a shade garden. Aspenhill?
http://www.greenleafnursery.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/plants.plantDetail/plant_id/766/index.htm
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Coleup -- if you go back to Sams, would you consider purchasing an Acanthus mollis summerbeauty for me if you have room? I'm not a sams club member....
No problem Happy. Consider it done!
A 3 gal pot is $20 and they just came in. Propagation is by root division so I'll look for best candidate. Plant Delights says this is best cultivar for our hot humid summers.
Anyone else?
That's a great price, Judy!! If it is a big plant, it might even bloom this year. Mine has not bloomed yet, and it is barely big enough to fill a 3 gal pot after 2 years :o(.
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Thanks, Coleup!
I found all of these desiduous azaleas for sale today at my local Ace Hardware store!! These were all in 3 gal pots
Desiduous azaleas
Schlippenbacki (Royal Azalea) 29.99 http://www.rarefindnursery.com/index.cfm/action/productdetail/product_id/2599.htm
Pink & Sweet 28.99
http://www.rarefindnursery.com/index.cfm/action/productdetail/product_id/2526.htm
Lollipop 28.99
http://www.rarefindnursery.com/index.cfm/action/productdetail/product_id/2538.htm
Ribbon Candy 28.99
http://www.rarefindnursery.com/index.cfm/action/productdetail/product_id/6179.htm
Golden Lights 28.99
http://www.rarefindnursery.com/index.cfm/action/productdetail/product_id/2515.htm
Lemon Lights 28.99
http://www.rarefindnursery.com/index.cfm/action/productdetail/product_id/4841.htm
Mandarin Lights 11.99, 28.99
http://www.rarefindnursery.com/index.cfm/action/productdetail/product_id/2519.htm
Lemon Drop 28.99
http://www.rarefindnursery.com/index.cfm/action/productdetail/product_id/2537.htm
My Mary 29.99
http://www.rarefindnursery.com/index.cfm/action/productdetail/product_id/2522.htm
Lavender Girl 22.99
Gibralter 28.99
http://www.rarefindnursery.com/index.cfm/action/productdetail/product_id/5767.htm
Aronson Flame 30.99
http://www.rarefindnursery.com/index.cfm/action/productdetail/product_id/4740.htm
Millenium 32.99
http://www.rarefindnursery.com/index.cfm/action/productdetail/product_id/2521.htm
Yellow Cloud 32.99
Late Date 32.99
Fragrant Star 30.99
http://www.rarefindnursery.com/index.cfm/action/productdetail/product_id/3388.htm
Choptank 38.99
http://www.rarefindnursery.com/index.cfm/action/productdetail/product_id/2616.htm
Marydel 38.99
http://www.rarefindnursery.com/index.cfm/action/productdetail/product_id/2520.htm
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Wow coleup, it seems your local HD and Ace have much more variety than mine. I'd love one of those but have no idea how to choose. I should probably do some research before deciding on a cultivar. That royal pink one is very pretty but looks like it needs to be planted in mass to get the full effect.
If anybody is interested I have a book written by a chapter member, "success with rhododendrons and azaleas, revised edition" by H. Edward Reiley. The book is a great resource. He was a member of our chapter and a very knowledgeable plantsmen and hybridizer. I can bring my copy to the swap for browsing or they are $25 if you want your own. It is very comprehensive.
Happy- if you are going to do cuttings of your plants you'd be wise to purchase one.
LMK. Glad to see the spike in interest.
I'm also a big proponent of buying locally grown plants that is why I'm so "high" on Mike White's. You know the plants were grown here and not shipped in from another state. It just makes sense to me to buy from the little guy instead of a box store with no idea where or who grew the plants.
Just my two cents.
The picture is from a house in savage, MD. The homeowner had no idea what it was, his wife planted it. I enjoyed it and he appreciated my interest in it. 'Gibralter' would be an off hand guess.
WOW!!! gorgeous, vibrant- the orange against the brick does not offend me, the way many of the cheap runofthemill ones that every body planted 50 yrs ago do.
Q on White's Bargain Bin- are they all unmarked and out of bloom? Is it available any time of year? (Sorry , you may have already stated..)
Would I have a hard time trying to plant azaleas in a place that has tree root competition also?
Sally- some are labeled, most are not. They are a mix of everything. Mike is just like you or I, obsessive about plants. He just sticks with azaleas and rhodos. This has led him to an abundance of cultivars. He ends up with similar cultivars, many early and late late blooming azaleas which don't sell. The bargain bin is made up of these kinds of azaleas along with extras that just don't look perfect to sell. The bargain bin is always there, yes.
Azaleas will do great when competing with trees. Some of mine are planted right next to oaks or beech trees. The only caveat is that they need the some sun to bloom. In a perfect world I would have my trees limbed up to form a nice high canopy of filtered shade for the azaleas. Whenever I plant a rhodo I always flood the hole and add hollytone.
Sally: I've gone to White's several times this season, and bought a ton. Mike has maybe 200-300 "bin" azaleas. Each time I go (I've been going every 2 weeks or so), I buy the ones that are in bloom and that have colors that I like -- that was I make sure I am happy with the purchases (I don't like salmon or peach or brick red) and that I have a full range of bloom seasons. He is only officially open on weekends, but he is easy to reach and will let you know when he is otherwise available So after azalea season ends I don't know if he'll continue to be "open" weekends, but again, he is easy to reach.
So yes, the bin azaleas are all unmarked. No, they are not all out of bloom -- they are just NOIDs, some from hybridization attempts, others because he lost the tag. Just pick the ones that are in bloom when you show up.
His cheapest "named" varieties are $13 each -- the price is based on how old they are, not the pot size. Not every azalea is available in every size.
On his website are links to what he carries: http://www.whites-nursery.com/inventory.html.
As to your question about root competition, azaleas are not the best for that, because they are very thirsty, and they don't have especially deep roots. I've learned they need a ton of water the first few years to get going; one they are really established, they don't need as much supplemental water. But I've lost a lot of tiny ones from inadequate watering.
Paul: Re propagating, Mike said that for the best propagation results, to use 3-4" cuttings. But that takes FOREVER to turn into a good sized plant, so I am going to stick with layering (i.e., just dropping a rock on a branch), because I can get a large rooted plant that way. I may try air layering this year.
As to shade, many people say azaleas and rhododendrons can't take full shade -- and rhododendrons need more sun than azaleas (I know azaleas are rhododendrons, but you know what I mean). But Mike said that azaleas, at least, will grow in shade, they just get leggy and don't flower as well. So that is good enough for me.
Of course, I wish there was one thread where we who are interested azalea growers and procurers or just admirers and wishes could lump all our info and discoveries and experience together ....but until then short disjointed 'off topic' chats all over our forum will have to do!
Ace Hardware (although a big box store to many) is not known for plants let alone 'deciduous azaleas' and 17 varieties to boot! If they had been at Sat show in Westminster, they might have 'sold out', too. Not a big market for these.
As to the 'support local' many of the tags on the azaleas I saw yesterday said 'locally grown'.. I know that there are a few retail stores that will do business with local suppliers and Ace is one. Hd local growers must supply a region and not one or two stores. Lowes is on a regional basis but each store has more discression in ordering from an availability list each week sent out by each supplier, so, depending on each Garden Center honcho, each Lowes could have better selection of perennials/shrubs/houseplants than another. All of the details of who supplies what to whom for what price and when is worked out at least a year in advance and coordinated with sales and advertising.
Happy, I like your plan with the 'bin' at Whites! Did you know that at least one of the deciduous azaleas reproduces by underground stolens and will form a small colony in good conditions? Even easier than a brick on a branch approach! I think it was Marydel. One of my cats knocked over a baby azalea plant still in pot that got forgotten and when I discovered it a year later had begun to form roots on a lot of its top growth! There are also hybrid deciduous azaleas in the 'maid in the shade' that take more shade than many. http://www.rhodyman.net/rhodynsh.php#anchorHAS
Sallyg I grow most of my azaleas in containers and am able to place them where I want and offer more favorable growing conditions than I could if planted in the ground. Either my other plantings hide the pot, or I disguise them in a mound of shredded oak leaf mulch. They also can be planted 'high'. Key is to not let root ball dry out or conversely not let the root ball be so wet so long that they rot. An older plant can take more abuse than a toddler. Toddlers may benefit from growing on in a home yard nursery for a year or two.
Ssgardener, I was immediately drawn to the Royal Azalea...It wasn't in flower, but the leaves and their color were very intriguing and different. Most sites only show pics of the flowers, but this one could win a spot on the leaves alone. I was not taken with the blue/green leaves of 'Fragrant Star' though pretty enough. Your gifted lavender flowered one may be 'Lavender Girl' as the ones on display were taller and more open in growth habit. There is also another lavender colored late bloomer but I don't recall name.
Also, a reminder to myself in my DAM (deciduous azalea madness) craze that there are hybrid varieties better suited to my hot humid summers than others
http://www.rhodyman.net/rhodynde.php#anchorMITS
Happy, forgot to mention that there are some that favor slopes!
Picked up a new Hardy Geranium called 'Blushing Turtle' It was developed to be drought tolerant. Read review here
http://mygarden.rhs.org.uk/blogs/graham_rice/archive/2012/09/17/geranium-blushing-turtle-new-ground-cover-hardy-geranium.aspx
I'll have to get 'Blushing Turtle' for my new turtle garden. This morning when I was going down the driveway, a movement caught my eye as I was passing the turtle statue. I backed up and shined the headlights in the general direction - it was a big bushy skunk waddling around and sniffing my turtle statue! I hope it didn't try to spray it LOL.