Dany's MGs 2010 part 6

Dany - That is very interesting. From what I understand about reading that website page, the Hige I. purpurea MG was discovered in the USA in North Carolina. A mutation of some sort. Here is the translated version of the page:
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http://www.opack.jp/fair/a/a_6.html/&lp=ja_en&btnTrUrl=Translate

I don't pretend to know the purpose of short day plants, but I thought this might be interesting to some: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoperiodism


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This cultivar I bought it in Japan as kykiosaki Ten Ten, I think I had won in the exchange because it is more rare.
This is not the same as the Q 1078 Blue Cristal Collection Kyushu.
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/2010/06/30/dany12/8afdaf.jpg
This plant is dead after an insecticide spraying.
Now I only have 2 seeds for 2011.

I found in Japan 5 seeds of a new cultivar called Wood Unzen it looks like Tsukiyono ( grey and white )
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/2010/08/24/dany12/4c2436.jpg
but flowers are more flat and I hope larger.
Wood Unyen:

An other pic of Wood Unzen how is Q 1286.... perhaps !

Another hybrid of 2009, the flowers are not large but a little bit of originality.

An Hamaginga Blue streak-free.

Dany - There is certainly a striking resemblence of Wood Unyen to Q1286.

Sorry to hear you lost your rare plant to insecticide. Maybe it will come back from the roots? Though you are getting into the colder weather now, right? So perhaps not. :-( I sprayed my Blue Speckles babies and they lost all their leaves. Wasn't sure if they were going to survive, but all four did and now have lots of leaves and are blooming again. They are mini plants because of growing in the small cups. The last one to bloom came true to the parent vine. It has blue speckled blooms, too! I am going to transplant it up today to see if I can't get a bigger vine and lots of blooms with the hopes of lots of seeds. It would be nice to get more true seeds. The mother vine produced all kinds of odd vines and blooms from the 4 that germinated. But the seeds did not easily germinate. Out of 15 seeds (+ 2 more that I tried to germinate indoors) ... only those 4 plants resulted. Not good odds at all. I thought at first it might be my germination method, but I used that same method on all my other cultivars/crosses and they all germinated and grew just fine. So I suspect the issue lies with that particular cultivar/cross. Just what we need ... another rare vine! NOT!!!

I had several blooms on the Fuji no Sora cross that Jackie shared with me this year that looked like your Hamaginga Blue without stripes. Apparently someone selected that bloom to create another cultivar/cross. Pretty blooms, though I really like the stripes on the Hamaginga.

Well finally a ton of blooms on this one morning glory that I took cuttings of just in case it did not give me any seeds.

James - OH WOW!!! That vine is huge!!! Beautiful!!!! With all those blooms, you should certainly get some seeds! Did you plant the rooted cuttings? Great looking vine! Lucky you to not have to deal with rust fungus this Fall.

My I. nils are done for this year except all the young vines I have growing indoors under lights! LOL! Hopefully, I'll have some bloom photos of those in the near future! :-)

Thanks Becky I love this one but dont think it will give me seeds as the other one that I gave to my friend bloomed like crazy most of the summer and did not produce any seeds for her. As far as the cuttings they are still are in water and not planted yet they are still working on growing roots. But they are actually rooting I can not believe that one I always thought that they were from seed and common colors I did not know that there were so many different ones out there but apparently there is.

James

James - Do you have it growing inside a screened enclosure? If so, that might be the reason for no seeds. You may have to hand-pollinate that baby to get seeds. Just get an artist's soft bristle brush and just gently "dust" the inside of each flower to move the pollen around to the stigma. As healthy looking as it is, you should get lots of seeds if you hand-pollinate it! It certainly couldn't hurt to try that idea...

no it is right outside not screened in hers also ill try that on some though

First flower today!I need seeds !
But we are in autumn and there are very few pollen,not every flower produce pollen stamen are dry. I found 2 flowers with pollen and made hand pollination two time with a break of one hour .
Should I make a stock of pollen for flowers to come? pollen is viable for how long?

Dany, Ron gave some good information about pollen viability in 2nd post of the following thread on March 6, 2007 @ 2:19 am -

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/699055/?hl=viable

The whole thread may be this forum at its funniest and raunchiest - enjoy - interesting comments on storing genetic material throughout thread

Karen

Those were the good ole days, weren't they?

Glad you brought that up.. funny indeed! I am sitting here laughing to myself, good thing I'm home alone with no-one to hear me..

Thanks Karen and Antoinette.
New purchase in Japan, something like Fujishibori triple or quadruple.
I usually do not like the mutants but I like to see this one in real life.

A NOID from my collection.

Silky Blue.

Blue Speckled.

That is just awesome, it looks like a Rose with speckles.. The colors on that last one are a very nice Lavender tint on corolla/with bluish-lavender rays/stripes, and pink hues.. very nice. It almost wanted to have an ever so light edge too. Then when you enlarge the photo, you can see the blizzard evenly distributed.. looks real good.

Dany, I think you can save pollen on a plastic plate, then put it into some seran wrap, (then you can freeze it I think), but I think you have to wait till it dries so it won't mold. I'm not real sure about this part either, but, it makes sense to me, it doesn't hurt to try it. I think Ron said on one thread not to use a paper plate because the pollen will stick to the paper and you will land up losing it.

Thanks Antoinette.
This is not to freeze but for use in the week.To be sure to have pollen for flowers to come on my plant Purpurea with variegated leaf.
Are there any pregnancy tests for flower bud?

A minute later a photo from another plant shows a speckled purple flower.
So same temperature and same time.

Parma purple flower with a large white throat.

Dany, you can tell in a couple of days''..lol, when the ovaries start getting FAT..lol other than that, it is a wait and see if the whole thing doesn't fall off. (not too much help here, I'm sorry)

You can save the pollen for a week in the frig on a plastic plate covered with plastic wrap then. It should certainly last.

Those two last ones both look like Fuji Shibori variants/crosses, they can sometimes look purple or blue, depending on the weather.. nice speckles too.

Same conditions so it is indeed a blue gene and a gene purple.
This flower with large white throat comes in pink too.

If I had to go on a desert island and would be allowed to take one cultivar of the Nil, I would choose this one. It may be ordinary but always attracts my eye.
Hum ! Or one of Emma's collection of course !I sewed in the lining of my coat to escape customs.lol

lol.. that would be a good choice... can you imagine the bells wringingor hands ..lol you should take some batatas, those are edible..lol, it depends on how long you want to survive..

Gourd, lol to that image of Dany getting chased by security bells for nils in his coat lining. I think I'd rather my MG flowers each have their own bell sound to harmonize with each other when the wind blew, though. hum

Anyhoo, Dany, regarding your Silky Blue here - http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=8142645 , attached is one of the Silky Blues from my 2007 garden for comparison. Did yours produce tan seeds?

Of the 3 Silky Blue seeds from Emma that I sowed, the one I'm sharing an image of produced tan seeds (as did a more turquoisey one), while the third one, a navy blizzard that threw a double flower one morning (no picture) produced dark seeds.

I think Gourd has noticed that sometimes, the color of seeds for a line or cultivar of seedlings can skip generations. Gourd and Dany, have your grow-outs shown any more evidence of this?

karen

ps - As usual, Dany, your MGs are stupendously beautiful and interesting - thanks for sharing.

Mine sure have, I have some blue specked flowers that each year, that the color of the seeds have changed.. first tan, 2nd year black, then 3rd year tan, then back to black and so have the flower colors with each of the colored seeds comes a different flower/gene. Some of the tan seeds produce light blue flowers with specks, the black seeds produced dark blue flowers with red centers.. so, it was very confusing for me the first year when I got two entirely different flowers from the same seed pod. I thought I got the seeds mixed up, so, I grew them again, and this time there were tan seeds and lots of light blue flowers with blue specks which then produced black seeds. Very confusing and I can't for the life of me figure that out. I know it is probably just normal or very simple here, but I don't have enough knowledge or terminology to comprehend or explain what is going on.

Maybe it is nothing, but, I love growing the tan colored seeds and for some reason they produce very interesting colors to me.

A - me too, about the tan seeds - most inscrutable. Maybe someone could start a thread for our favorite MG flowers with tan seeds? Perhaps we could do a bunch of favorites according to different characteristics?

Sometimes, the only and best thing we can do is to note our observations. With regard to traits repeating every other generation, I wouldn't be surprised if that characteristic occurs in other life forms; just can't think of an example off the top of my head right now.

karen

LOL! about the choice of MG on a stranded Island!

I have occasionally seen seed colors change too. I can't recall off-hand which cultivars I grew that did that. I try to think back and post the cultivar names if I can remember.

I think if I was stranded on an island ... I'd go for the sweet potato vine! LOL!

Antoinette, Karen, Becky ! you have an incredible sense of observation .
You did a doctoral thesis?
I had noticed only that seed color was tan, I think there are several strains of which has a corrugated corolla.
We can also say that at the end of the day its color turns to gray oil.

Dany, are you growing any Batatas?

Becky, I love the sweet potatoes, good choice!!! High 5 to you girl.

Karen, it pays to be observant, but, we are the only ones that probably notice the color of the seeds..lol.. it is all good though. I enjoy knowing exactly what I have here and would love to know what causes it.

A.

Dany - LOL! Why of course ... we all have the doctoral degree in curiosity and observation! :-)

Antoinette - I've heard that sweet potatoes have most vitamins and nutrients that you could survive eating them! Though your skin might turn a pale orange color in the process! LOL!

I had a friend that was always dieting, and ate tons of carrots, YES, you bet, her skin started turning orange... talk about strange... I dont' remember if she lost any weight either.

The Beta Carotine I guess. My gkids loved their squash and sweet potatoes in their'baby food jars, their favorites so we had orange grand babies .lol Had to feed them their green peas to offset the orange.lol

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Antoinette every year I always have batatas and this year I also had a sowing of batatas, finally a volunteer.
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/2010/06/21/dany12/750edc.jpg
Ornamental varieties do not produce a lot of potatoes, Blackie can be a little more.I think Ip. Batatas are difficult to overwinter.

Everybody Have a GOOD 10/10/10 !

this is not a fertilizer!

Yes, it is the year/day of the Kikyo's 10-10-10

Dany the reason the plants you and I may have from the box stores from batatas is that they are grown from cuttings, some do have a potato so before you buy one, check inside the pot and make sure you have a potato to start with, then you will get smaller potatoes forming from the eye's on the original potato and then you can just keep that potato to get more cuttings for the next season. It will work with all the potatoes. (Margarete, etc..) even the sweet potatoes.

It is great that you got a seedling from a volunteer, I have some seeds for Blackie, but, have not tried growing them from seeds either.

So ... just curious ... what does the I. batata seeds look like? Are they large seeds or small like I. nil seeds?

Karen - We can always go back and look at old threads on DG for information. I do that on rare occasions if I can't find it quicker on an internet search.

Your wishful theory sounds great, but I think there is a wide margin of error for determining blooms/vines by seed appearance or the hypocotyl stage. You also run into the situation of getting those rare mutant blooms on occasion. If those blooms aren't sterile, you might have the good fortune of producing a new cultivar or cross from selecting blooms instead of vine cultivars. So I would not consider predicting future vine generations from current vine appearances.

Most of the more interesting aspects of MG genetics can not be seen with the naked eye. I also believe a lot of it is trial and error. If that weren't so, then the Japanese would have already created a bright yellow as well as a black blooming I. nil cultivar by now. That is the greatest thrill of all ... mixing genes and getting something totally unexpected! I call it the "WOW" factor! LOL! I've gotten wowed by vines I never expected to knock my socks off and was greatly disappointed by vines that were suggested to be something new and rare. I take it all with a grain of salt and wait until I see what grows and blooms. I much prefer doing my own crossing now for that reason. And I prefer to only purchase Japanese seeds from the Japanese seed companies. I've gotten some really awesome vines from some of those packs. And I've gotten some nice vines from trades which were intentional and unintentional crosses. I've discerned my own personal preferences when it comes to seeds. The one thing certain about I. nil MGs ... is the uncertainty of what you might get from any given seed. THAT is what got me hooked on this species and plant!

Becky, you misunderstood me - of course there are an infinity # of ways to see and speculate - a synergy of minds is like an open door to me, which is the antithesis of a closed opinion.