oops - sorry - Patootie, here's a picture of what might be the parent of your Silky Blue, which would be the lighter one that produced tan seeds. The darker one produced the dark brown seeds, and actually doubled one morning (did not get a picture grr).
Love that vibrant blue one.
Thank you, Mittsy - I'll plant a pot & share some seeds with you if I'm successful in harvesting any
Karen
Joseph,
This is so awesome
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=7966783
Debra, your Pale Blue is super nice!
Thank you Karen,
I don't remember getting dark seeds from my Silky Blue, but I have with a couple of other MGs that the original seeds were tan. Still haven't grown those out to see what they produce.
Here is one of my Silky Blue Blooms from 2007
Emma
Tempest F3
Another new bloom taken early in the am, so this is with flash. The colors are Plum and Purple.
Another taken early am
Another new *Cross*
And another
Joseph - Just curious ... how big are the blooms on your reverse tube flowers?
Emma - Nice bloom photos. Your cross reminds me of Diluted Fuji no Muraski. Solid color leaves? How big are those blooms in your recent photos above this post?
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Same vine with Split-Petals
Thank you Becky,
The last blooms are small. Probably less than 2"
Here is another from this am that is also a Split
Emma - Oh they looked a little larger than that. I thought 3" or so... Are they I. nils or I. purpureas?
Becky - This one
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=7967863
is one that the Bees crossed for me and is from the seeds that Sarah grew and shared back with me. I believe you also got some as well.
It is a Dilute Blue Blizzard-Fuji
Last year I believe the blooms were variegated, and this particular vine this year is not variegated.
Here is one of the blooms from last year
Another from last year
Also, I told you wrong. This particular vine did not have variegated leaves. I grew two vines and one was variegated and the other was not
I am getting something similar, but it is two cultivars that crossed last year in my yard. Mine were crossed on purpose (hand-pollinated) to see what I would get, and sure enough ... the cross took! :-)
This photo collage was posted already, but will post again in case you didn't see it...
Very Pretty Cross -
Here is one more from last year
The Diluted Fuji no Muraksi has a habit of fading out to mostly white dominate blooms as the vine ages. Similar to what your photos look like. Nice to hear Sarah had seeds to share back at ya.
The Splits, are I. nils
This one is 'sort of' similar that is from a cross I did last year of a Dark Blue Kikyo x Kai no Kasumi which looks like neither
This bloom looks strange with those Kikyo-Type leaves
Mittsy - For some reason when I return to a thread, it jumps to the end of the thread instead of going to the next new post, so ...
I missed all of your beautiful photos until just now! OMG! Your garden looks awesome!! Seriously! What a sight to see! From what I could tell, most of yours are I. purpureas. I see Purple Flaked (my favorite I. purpurea cultivar) and what might be a cross of Crimson Rambler (pink blooms) as well as some interesting looking other color blooms. Perhaps crosses also. Very, very nice! I. purpureas do well up North because they don't require the high temps to thrive and grow and bloom. But they do produce lots of volunteers each year. :-) Which in your case, looks like it is a good thing! Love your beautiful vines! I think the Purple Flakes would look stunning climbing your mailbox!
Are you attempting to grow any I. nils this year?
Emma - your picture here - http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=7967853 - looks like the mg flower of the third vine that came from your Silky Blue seeds in 2007. A photo of that one is attached.
Both the lighter blue pictured above and this one produced tan seeds, while the darker brown one produced the darker navy blue flower as pictured above. There was a third kind of seed produced that was colored in equal blotches of tan and dark brown, of which I had very few, and have not grown out. (but I'm pretty sure, given my "seeds back"* policy that you would have gotten at least one of the calico seeds)
I think all of this is fascinating - I am so curious to know if everyone who got these seeds from me got a similar mixture of seed and corresponding flower colors. The idea that a particular range of variation might be stable from generation to generation - as opposed to just one color/pattern - is intriguing to me.
Karen
* I am an advocate of the "seeds back" policy, where you send a seed or two back to the gardener who sent you the parent seeds. Sometimes, due to whatever mishap, we lose a line of seeds, and I think, for this reason, the "seeds back" policy is a wonderful thing to do.
Emma - The Blue Asagao Willow cultivar makes those unusual split petals, too. Perhaps they crossed with BAW? I have had some I. nil split petals as well, but they are much smaller blooms and in my garden don't stand out very well. I guess that is why I prefer the larger bloomers. I can see them from across my yard. My personal preference is the big, bold, blooms of the majority of I. nil vines.
I do hope to get some teacup sized vines from Sidare this year. I think those would look cute weeping out of a teacup or small hanging pot. :-) But not sure yet what those mini seeds will produce. Such fun!!! The Japanese sure know how to create some beauties! I wish I was a fly on the wall at the Japanese universities. :-)
oops - Becky we crossed posts - and you've brought up another subject dear to my heart: planting nils this late in the year.
Mittsy, are you thinking of planting any nils this late? You aren't the only one. I'm approaching this project with great trepidation, as I am horrible with pots indoors. Having said that, though, enclosing areas in shower curtains last fall and winter made a world of difference - looked hideous, though...hard to find a good spot inside such a tiny house...but those shower curtains also worked to keep our furry feline owner's chops of my plants :)
Emma - those splits are fascinating, too - lots of intimations of genetic possibilities there
Karen
Yes, Karen, our Silky Blues are very similar. Thanks for letting me know about these seed color differences. I must grow your seeds next year to see what I get. The Navy Blue Blizzard you got is very pretty too. I agree with you about the Splits too. I must do a lot of hand pollinating on those this year to see if I can get them to stay True. The one with the Kikyo-Type leaves does have a lot of pollen and I haven't checked out the other one yet.
Becky, you could be right re: that first split that is so unusual as it was growing close to my Willow Dianthus Lilac.
However, the last split photo would not have as that one I purposely crossed.
Here is my Willow Dianthus Lilac from last year.
Ao Murasaki Blizzard Youjiro from this am.
Ao Murasaki Blizzard Youjiro Very Pale Lilac Form
Emma - I wonder what percentage of seeds produce those mutant blooms and vines? I know that the BAW carries that gene, but it's a small percentage of seeds that actually produces those mutant vines. Did you get seeds from your mutants? I have heard that the BAW mutant does not produce pollen and has to be crossed to make seeds. So out of a bag of 10 seeds, I wonder how many would actually produce these mutant split blooms?
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Another Ao Murasaki Blizzard Youjiro Lilac Form
Joseph - Hmmm ... that is smaller than a typical I. purpurea bloom. Are the actual vines smaller or shorter, too?
Kanoko UNDER the Trellis
Emma - Your Kanoko has lighter speckles than the ones in PlantFiles: http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/137189/
Are you sure it is Kanoko and not the darker form of Kasumi?
Becky,
I didn't get that many seeds last year, but I did get quite a few. I also like the fact that they throw so many different patterns.
Here is another from this am.
What I am noticing is that each vine is producing the same pattern this year - so far
My Kanoko is definitely Kanoko -
Each bloom is different with different colors from an 'almost Red', to a Very Light Form.
This one is a bit darker
Some of the Kanoko blooms are larger than others
Emma - I didn't know that the speckles color on Kanoko blooms was not stable. I thought that all the blooms of that cultivar were supposed to have the darker pink speckles. Interesting... so if you want the dark pink speckles, then there are no guarantee you'd get the dark color speckles blooms from any given seed? That's a bummer!
I just saw the two contrasting Kanoko blooms above. What a difference in colors!
Well, off to do some errands ... later gators!
That is what I have observed so far -
Same exact thing as with the Fujishibori Blooms too
This one is a more Lighter Form.
Beautiful flowers, all of you! I have MG Envy...
