Let's talk more about what's going on lately

A continuation.

Part 1: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1071124/

Part 2: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1071139/

Quote from mulchmania :
Politics and religion ... I am definitely interested in the new owner's view on this.[/quote]

I don't know why, but recently a few people have suddenly taken this opportunity to demand that I disallow any religious discussion altogether on the site, as we have done with politics. I guess they feel like this is a good time to see their agenda get passed, but I don't think that the time is right to even discuss a change as massive as this. Unfortunately, I had to already ban one member who saw fit to go above my head to IB and try to get them to force me to make changes related to what we allow (or don't allow) on this site. I banned that member last night.

I am not interested in changing our policy on the site at this time. I think the members are generally very happy that we allow religious discussion, and I'm not ready to disallow it. Anybody attempting to go over me to try to get this changed, will be banned. I am still in charge here, and 99% of the members like it that way. So let's drop this subject for now, shall we? Or if you're unwilling to drop this subject, then please, find another website that is more to your liking.

Quote from beckygardener :
I must confess ... one of the main things bothering me about all of this is WHY? didn't NameMedia (or is it MediaName? LOL) even bother to clue Dave in on the sale of DG? And then why the 2 week delay before IB contacted him? [/quote]

Becky, this is also a mystery to me, and I would love to get an answer to it. But for some reason, NM chose to keep me completely in the dark until after the deal was done. Why? I can only speculate.

Why didn't IB reach out to me? It is simply because they were told by NM that I didn't want to continue with the site. So they were operating under that information.

On Friday, I was talking to their VP of technology, and I got a little angry at how I was being pushed out the door. I became a little verbose and lashed out at them for the way they were pushing me at the door. It was at that point that he revealed that they had been told that I had no interest in continuing along with DG, and they were just trying to figure out how they were going to be able to move forward without me.

So, when we all realized that we were completely operating under a wrong set of information, there was a storm of phone calls between IB and me, and reassurances by them to me that they indeed would certainly love to have me stay, and that this is normal that they continue to keep the founder when they acquire a site.

So the fault is not at all with IB. They simply were operating on completely incorrect information. They were quite relieved, actually, to learn that I was keen to the idea of staying with DG.

[quote="gloriag"]I have mostly fear about this buyout. Even more than before, after this year
of financial disasters based on outright fraud and lies, I don't trust the new
owners to take our fondness of Dave into consideration when $$$ is the bottom line. If, however, membership became more expensive, then the profit margin might look good to the new owners. Perhaps some of the regular non-members could consider this as a way to help save DG? It's just an idea.


I don't think a more expensive subscription will be attractive, because it doesn't make financial sense. A higher subscription cost == fewer subscriptions == fewer revenue.

I think the new owners will indeed take the members' concerns into considerations when $$$ is the bottom line. If your customers aren't happy, the $$$ aren't happy!!

[quote="tomatofreak"]Question for Dave and Michael: Do either of you envision DG on Internet Brands in its current, very interactive, incredibly visual (photos, etc.) format, complete with it's dozens of specific interest forums? I ask because I don't see anything like this on IB and wonder how it fits into their corporate interest.


Yes, I envision DG to continue to be DG, at least for as long as I am here. It wouldn't make any sense to take away the very essence of what makes DG the site that it is. All its interactivity, visuals, forums, etc, are the core of the system here, and I know they aren't wanting to take that away.

On Friday, I talked for 2 hours with their software developers and we discussed the code that operated DG. There are several hundred thousand lines of code that I have written to make DG, and it is my task to teach the IB developers all about that code. They have absolutely zero reason to throw that away and change things. Instead, their desire is to take the code base and start to build on it those improvements that have been a long time coming.

Honestly, I'm excited to see what they can do. From talking to them on the phone, they are clearly experienced people and they know programming. I have only been one person working this site for ten years, but they are a team of experienced developers and I believe they have the ability to bring additions that I have only dreamed of bringing.

For example, the search engine. Our forum search has been weak from the very beginning. We discussed this on the phone, and they recommended a system for improving it. I agree with their approach, and I proposed they make that one of their first priorities, and that's what they are doing. So we're going to get a real actual search engine, that works, and doesn't slow the rest of the site down. That is very exciting to me. And, having developers on staff to work on the site code frees me to do the more interesting things like set the direction for the site without having to worry about allocating my own time to making those changes happen.

Anyway, I do not believe they want to take away the essence of DG. I think they want to work with all of us to continue to make DG the best gardening site on the web. This is what they have told me. They think highly of DG and I believe they want to continue with making this the best site in the world.

dave

Oostburg, WI(Zone 5b)

That sounds very positive, Dave. It's good to know you are excited about going forward with IB. That helps all of us feel better about this change.

Calvert City, KY(Zone 7a)

Thank you, Dave.
Maybe we can all sleep better tonight.

San Leandro, CA(Zone 9b)

All sounds great to me!

And on a side note, I just can't believe someone went over your head to the new owners! What a shock. You must have caught a few flies in your wide open mouth with that one.

Cincinnati, OH(Zone 6b)

Good news on the Search Engine rework!

The Woodlands, TX(Zone 9a)

Don't tell them the code! Job security...^_^

BTW, I didn't realize we could discuss religion either. I thought religion and politics were both no-no's.

Quote from Kell :
All sounds great to me!

And on a side note, I just can't believe someone went over your head to the new owners! What a shock. You must have caught a few flies in your wide open mouth with that one.


I was surprised, indeed. This isn't the right time to go over my head, trying to force me to do something I'm not keen on doing. I'm still the Dave of Dave's Garden and I maintain this position, I think, by serving our members and treating them right. I don't appreciate someone sneaking around and trying to foment a mutiny.

Quote from ceejaytown :
Don't tell them the code! Job security...^_^[/quote]

^_^

Quote from ceejaytown :
BTW, I didn't realize we could discuss religion either. I thought religion and politics were both no-no's.


Absolutely no politics. Religious discussion == okay, religious debate == not allowed.

[quote="Acceptable Use Policy"]a) As of Nov 6, 2002, discussion and debate of a political nature, and debate of a religious nature are not allowed on the site.


(Emphasis added)

Dave,
This is really exciting news.

Thank you so much for taking the time to ease our fears about the upcoming changes.

I wish much success and joy with this move.

Deanna

Dolores, CO(Zone 5b)

Dave, you must get a royalty on your basic code/technology that built this site. Just sayin'...

Brenda

p.s. Yes, please! A wine and beer making forum!!!

Baton Rouge area, LA(Zone 8b)

That sounds great. I`ll stay as long as there are no dancing frogs playing the banjo on every page. lol! Karen

Such wonderful news Dave. I keep thinking how lucky IB is to have a chance to have you on their team. Nobody runs a website better and you are an absolute people genius. I always marvel at your wonderful team and I know they are no lucky accident. I wish I could put what is in my heart into words.
Thank you for this wonderful garden.
Whatever IB paid they sure got a bargain. You & your team are worth millions. I've never heard such accolades for admins, lol, as I've heard in these threads.

(Brewing forum is created! http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/f/yeasty/all/)

Dellroy, OH(Zone 6b)

Good news to here, indeed. Any time line for when the take over will occur? or will the changes be gradual?

Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

Woohoo, the brewing forum might be just the thing to get my BIL to join in the fun here! At least I'll get to drop in over there and brag the next time his beer wins a prize. :-)

Cut Bank, MT(Zone 3a)

Dave I am elated as I love it here and Love the way we all get along ( Well almost all). There are always some but we just need to use a kind word and common sense. I will try to do my best to be at your back. Thanks for all your info on all this. Have a glass for me.
Steph

(Becky) in Sebastian, FL(Zone 10a)

Thanks for answering our questions with what you've discerned and have been discussing with IB. Interesting how NM handled the sale and misrepresented your position concerning DG. Humph!

I, too, agree ... don't give them "all" the code! :-) Or maybe sharing bits and pieces over time ... a LONG time ... !

Floyd, VA(Zone 6b)

I think the idea on religion is very good. To debate religious views is senseless, but to say, "I will keep you in my prayers," or to put a request
on the prayer request forum makes absolute sense. We are not proselytizing but expressing our heartfelt earnestness that things for particular DG members work out for the best. Those who choose to say something else usually say something like, "keeping you in my thoughts,
or good thoughts coming your way." We all mean the same thing: we care
deeply about our friends on Dave's and suffer when they do.

I am so thrilled that misinformation was involved in this upset. Now, we can
go back to doing just what we've always done. I just love the fact that if I have a personal problem, a computer problem, or even a problem with living
frugally, it is one stop shopping at Dave's. How could you beat that?

Cincinnati, OH(Zone 6b)

Thanks Dave!

Quote from jar617 :
Good news to here, indeed. Any time line for when the take over will occur? or will the changes be gradual?


The deal is done. Dave's Garden belongs to IB right now.

The strange thing is that I'm still on NameMedia's payroll, and will be into early February. I have until then to strike some agreement with IB going forward.

Quote from beckygardener :
Interesting how NM handled the sale and misrepresented your position concerning DG. Humph![/quote]

Yes, it certainly caused a lot of needless confusion. I do wonder why they felt the need for such secrecy against me. But, I see no reason to dwell.

[quote="beckygardener"]I, too, agree ... don't give them "all" the code! :-) Or maybe sharing bits and pieces over time ... a LONG time ... !


Well, even though I wrote the code, they own it and they have a right to it. I have already given them access to the servers and they have the full copy of the whole code base.

But it's important to remember: these are good folks. Everybody I've talked to at IB has been very decent to me so far, and I truly believe they are good people. I think they will turn into good partners for DG, and I truly expect that this will be a very positive step forward for us all.

Baton Rouge area, LA(Zone 8b)

I hope noone thinks I`m crazy for thinking of this or maybe I had more than a few glasses(I don`t drink btw)but I was thinking about the enormous number of user names people made for Daves Garden and all the meanings behind them and the significance of each person as they add parts of their personalities,lives and their gardens to others here. They don`t just do what they do for themselves but they All want to be a part of the big picture. I sensed that today. I could almost feel the love people have for this place. I think it would be neat to create a collage out of all those names that make a big picture of Dave. That would be neat... though I don`t think I could make it.lol! It is something like I`d see in a dream. Karen

Port Charlotte, FL(Zone 10a)

Thank you so much for the honest answers Dave. I'm looking forward to any positive enhancements that with your coaberation will make this community even better than it is! ie: search engine, etc..

Kat

Lincoln, NE(Zone 5a)

Dave, thanks so much for taking time tonight (what with a cute new puppy and all!) to fill us in on what was going on. I'm very relieved, and if you're pleased, then I'm pleased!

Onward and upward!

SF Bay Area, CA(Zone 9b)

Dave, I've worked in the corporate world for most of my life, and it boggles my mind that NM didn't let you know about the sale to IB. It's also beyond me why they would foment dissension between you and IB by telling them that you weren't interested in continuing to be part of DG. One would think that the value of DG would INCREASE exponentially if you were part of the package! I'm certainly glad that you and IB were able to get that clarified and put behind you.

I look forward to seeing what the IB developers come up with regarding a search engine. I hope it's soon - I miss our search engine!

The person who contacted IB directly certainly has a lot of chutzpah. He/she must not be too busy - they have time to mind YOUR business instead of their own. Had the same thing happen where I volunteer - someone was trying to get a petition going which stated that the volunteers wanted a certain person to be hired as our boss. She had to be told to mind her own business too.

(Zone 1)

Dave, my thanks too in keeping us all informed about what's going on with IB acquiring DG. We all know you will work well with IB ... and I'm sure they will work well with you to keep this a money making, successful enterprise. The more I've thought about it, the more I'm certain they wouldn't want to change anything about DG that would cause it to fail, that wouldn't make good business sense. Why would any company want to buy a successful site to try and change it, most businesses want to keep their customers happy and if it's already successful they don't want to jeopardize that. I know I've been one of the folks saying you can't improve something that is already perfect, but maybe they will come up with some things that will enhance what is already pretty awesome!

So, I publicly apologize here to Michael and anyone else at IB for my immediate "Oh No" response to DG being sold to them. I think our upset and fright was at the thought that you would not be handling the day to day goings on here. We were all just so worried that they would not keep you or your crew on the payroll and none of us can imagine you not being at the helm of this ship! If something happens and the time comes that you are no longer in control of DG, you know the majority of us will follow wherever you go.

Dave's Garden is the BEST on-line website ever!

(Becky) in Sebastian, FL(Zone 10a)

I truly hope that IB handles all major decisions relating to DG more professionally than NM did! I am hoping for the best situation for all concerned. And I hope they wisely keep all our Admins in place, too! DG runs like a fine oiled machine thanks to all the people behind the scenes.

(Zone 1)

Amen!

edited to add: And, well oiled machines never rust! ^_^

This message was edited Jan 25, 2010 12:38 AM

Questa, NM(Zone 5b)

Thanks Dave! You put my mind at ease with those thorough answers.

Xai Xai, Mozambique

Thank you Dave for putting our minds at ease!! i do admit i was very nervous. And thank you so much for clearing this religious disagreement, i really do agree now is not the time to talk about this. Also you are right, 99% percent are happy with the way it is. and i completely agree with you too, Gloriag! we all care about each other here.
isaac

All I can say to that is - yes, I agree with all the above. Thanks Dave for taking time to address our fears and anxieties.
Long Live Dave and Dave's Gardenweb. My life would be poorer without it.

Panhandle, FL(Zone 8a)

Good news indeed!

Seale, AL(Zone 8b)

Dave.. Glad to hear abotu the search engine. I too hope all the a dmid mods stay and hold their places. They have been aroudn forever and know the folks here just abotu inside and out as they read the posts and chekc the sites, they get inside s to evry personality here. That is years and years of hel;ping to mold and grow Dg too. They are fast to elviate discoprd adn trouble, are right on spot if you have questiosn or troubles and are also about the forums and plants and such being discussed. They are partof the heart of Dg too and hope Ib realizes that nobody they could in place could eve r gain the insight to folksand the site the way the admid s too sur e hoping they keep them.

I wondering. If Ib main thing is advertisign and marketing. Instead of cluttering up the site and the forums with unwanted pop ups and junk, how abotu they let you develop a seperate as section. Mainly a coupon section. Not junky coupons either, all the ads on Dg have been picke d with taste and what may benefit or intrest folkson all the forums. Hope it stays that way.

I don't click and don't have time especially with dial up to wait for a buch of site s to load that when I get ther e find out they a junksite with bunche sof pops ups.

Now put me up a coupon site where places offer nothign but a discount coupon to take to store and I will download them in a heart beat.

For example, when Dynamite sent all themsample s otu of plant food. Gotthat litle trial package , but went to the store and the price wa s outrageous. Didn't matter fi the product wa s good or not. Not gonan spend that kind of money for plant food, but now if they would have sent a coupon for a buck off or a discount, would have downloaded it and bought the product.

When the banner had rotiller ad going, yep I checke d it out, but was wayto expensive, now if there would have been a coupon I might be owning one of them.

Just somethign maybe for you and IB to think about. I dreaming here. Love money savign coupons. : )

Corning, NY(Zone 5a)

Dave, Thank you so much, I feel much better now as many do!! Functioning search engine would be FANTASTIC!! Thank you..:)Anita

Jacksonville, FL(Zone 9a)

This is one case that I'm glad I don't have a much time to get on the computer as I would like!
Just found out about the change & must say I was worried until I read through this entire thread.

Dave, so glad you are staying!
Your site is the first thing I check when I have time to get on my computer & I don't know what I'd do without my DG Fix!!!
I have been a member for quite a few years & brag about your site to anyone that will listen.

I agree with the general consensus---"If it's not broke---Don't fix it!"

Greensburg, IN(Zone 6a)

Well I finnaly reached the end of the list *LOL* and all I have to say is this, how could we continue here if it was not DAVE'S GARDEN
I have been a member for several years but if Dave is out so am I until Dave starts his own DG.
So think about that Dave.


Doris

Dover AFB, DE(Zone 7a)

Quote from tucsonjill :
Dave, thanks so much for taking time tonight (what with a cute new puppy and all!) to fill us in on what was going on. I'm very relieved, and if you're pleased, then I'm pleased!

Onward and upward!


Ditto!

Billerica, MA(Zone 6a)

Dave... is there any concern that the current privacy policy will be manipulated by IB so they can use our email addresses for financial gain?

I certainly hope not. That would be a terrible mistake and I can't imagine IB would make such an amateur and short-sighted error. Nevertheless, our privacy policy currently explicitly says that we won't do that, so it would have to be modified first. Such a modification would include notification to the members and you'd have time to react.

Still, there's no need to fear that.

San Antonio, TX

Is "Dave's Garden Weekly Newsletter" a part of the deal & will it continue? I got one today and look forward to it every week. I save them all for reference and find something I wasn't interested in before, interests me now.

Thanks Dave for all you do, past and present.

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