Dave's Garden: Rumors about changes at Dave's Garden, # 2

Quote from snapple45 :
When the first thing I see is a commercial sell I'm gone.
Brace youselves folks. [/quote]

Don't worry. For as long as I'm in this chair, I will make sure that our members are well taken care of.

Quote from shihtzumom :
Will the team stay with you Dave? I've read over the many posts but didn't see a direct statement if the staff will stay with you.


There is some uncertainty about Terry and Melody, and I will be talking with IB this week about all of that. IB already had some extensive experience in operating communities, and they have folks who will help us run the site. Is there a role for Terry and Melody? I hope and think so, and this week that will be a major focus of my discussions with the new company.

[quote="seemama"]I wonder if Dave actually had any choice in the take over, as with Cadbury's in UK when Kraft took over!!!


No, I didn't even learn about it until after the deal was finished. That's not IB's fault at all, though.

Dave

Barnesville (Charle, GA(Zone 8b)

I love back up. But I believe Dave know we are all behind him.
Where he goes, and we know. We will be there with him.
Curious question...How did they get it away from you without any knowledge on your part?
I don't understand Cyber-space and this doesn't help at all.

This message was edited Jan 23, 2010 11:14 AM

Michael & Internet Brands,
Just want to let you know .... I spend $$$ on my garden every year. I don't spend a single cent without checking the Garden Watchdog first. I click on vendors names from the Watchdog & Plantfiles so that Dave's Garden will get credit. I want the vendor's to know they are getting my business because of their advertising & reputation here. I have already started choosing the companies I am going to use this year. I've found at least 2 new ones to add to my list. When I am ready to buy I will visit their sites from links here on Dave's. I guess you already know this, smart usiness peple that you are ^_^
Thank you to Dave & Team for implementing & thanks to everyone who has contributed to Plantfiles & the Watchdog

Cincinnati (Anderson, OH(Zone 6a)

Hi, all~~have been following along with the news trying to get the gyst of the transaction and what it means for DG. I hope things don't change too much for us, and from Dave's latest post it sounds as if there may be some collaborative talks going on, so that's good. I suppose we'll know more when the press release comes out.

For a little more info on "Internet Brands", here is the Wiki entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Brands

It lists a variety of sites they manage for all to peruse.

I know a little bit about this company because Internet Brands developer, Idealab, was a think tank/start-up incubator which was headquartered near my house in Pasadena CA. Several of the people involved with Idealab lived there. It was covered in the news quite a bit. And seems like an innovative and good company with good people in leadership.

And here is the Internet Brands website, if anyone is interested: http://www.internetbrands.com/ib

I will be sad if Dave and Terry move on from DG, but reports their involvement in talks with the new owners sounds promising. And personally, I think Dave would be a good fit with Idealab and its group, from what I know of it and Dave.

Also, here is Bob Brisco's (one of the key people at IB) blog that talks about creativity, community and the media which sounds like a good tie in to Dave's Garden: http://www.bbrisco.com/search/label/Internet%20Usage

I am hopeful, but transistions aren't always so easy, are they?!?

t.




This message was edited Jan 23, 2010 11:24 AM

Cut Bank, MT(Zone 3a)

The photo is awesome and I am so proud to be here with all of you great people here. Dave I made a copy of the photo to put on the wall.
Great job Gardenguykin.

(Becky) in Sebastian, FL(Zone 10a)

Fingers crossed that Terry and Melody remain in their positions here on DG! I know they are both Dave's right-hand ladies! :-) And they both do a fantastic job! :-)

Near Lake Erie, NW, PA(Zone 5a)

Quote from ecrane3 :
GardenGuyKin--I love your picture too! I agree with everyone who said it belongs on the cover of the calendar next year.

As far as the new owners--I think we all just need to hang in there and see how things go. It's natural to be worried about what might change, but they may not change the things that are important to us. Everyone was worried a few years ago when NameMedia took over, and none of the things that everyone was worried about ended up happening, so I'm keeping an open mind this time around. The fact that they want Dave to stay tells me that they do have a desire to maintain the spirit of the site.


I agree with you, ecrane.

I am on this site several times a day. I check it before I go to work and the first site when I get home. I have personally met DG friends going to plant swaps organized by us on DG. Today there is a seed swap going on that I can't attend but a member is doing my swapping via mail, so the friendship continues past this site and will return to this site as we chat about the wonderful plant we will be growing.
Dave has created this wounder world of caring and sharing. It stretches beyond the plants and the flowers, and into the joys and sorrows of every day life, we support each other when we loose a family member or a beloved pet, we keep track of each other through illness. We celebrate birthdays, share a joke or two.
I have not found another site quite like DG.



Dolores, CO(Zone 5b)

GardenGuyKin, thank you so much for the picture and for including me in it. What a fitting tribute to Dave. And yes, it should be the cover of this year's calendar!

Brenda

(Debra) Derby, KS(Zone 6a)

Quote from beckygardener :
GGK - Awesome photo! I feel honored to also have my name on it! May I download it to my computer? :-)


Last post for awhile... My Thanks also , GGK

( just learned how to use this quote button in this particular thread, LOL) Love it when I learn things from Daves' Garden




This is the only Internet place I pay for, AND I have paid for quite a few in the past.. What ever happens and wherever you all go, would I pay to go there too? Yes. ..

AuGres, MI(Zone 5b)

I guess I don't keep up with the politics of this site. I didn't even know Dave's Garden had been sold once let alone twice. Why would Dave sell it to begin with? I can only guess the membership fees alone would have brought him in a good and steady income. I don't know really though. I don't know much about the earning ability of websites.

I just want the website to stay as it is. I think it's one of the best organized and well run websites on the web in the topic of gardening. I followed Dave here from Garden Web and I'd follow him to another site he'd create if he gets kicked off this one.

Brenda

Indian Harbour Beach, FL(Zone 10a)

So happy to learn that the situation is slanting towards the positive. I was ready to rant and rave in my garden - and all of you would have heard me ! Like most people have already said -- this has got to be the best gardening site.

Gilroy (Sunset Z14), CA(Zone 9a)

GGK, loved the photo and proud to see my name there---thanks for including so many of us in your tribute!

Sioux City, IA(Zone 4b)

I think a good part of the original decision by Dave was due to the growth of the site, limited resources to continue meeting the growing needs (and wish list of applications!) and time in his own garden. We sure couldn't fault him for wanting more time in his garden!

Hillsborough , NC(Zone 7a)

Good luck with your talks with IB next week, Dave. There is no question in my mind that you will ultimately decide to do whatever is best both for your family, and your huge extended family here at DG. ^_^
Jenn

Tonasket, WA(Zone 5a)

GGKin, Yes great picture ,a nd thanks for including me.

I have spent a little more time on the internet with Dave's than usual. Have to keep up with what is happening.

Donna

Quote from merigold :
I think a good part of the original decision by Dave was due to the growth of the site, limited resources to continue meeting the growing needs (and wish list of applications!) and time in his own garden. We sure couldn't fault him for wanting more time in his garden!


That is much of it.

Also, after all the years of fielding legal issues on our own (and the legal expenses that go with it) it has been very nice to have that burden handled by a corporate parent company.

We have had a good share of threats from companies who have unfavorable reviews in Garden Watchdog. There was a time when they were able to intimidate us, but that problem completely went away when we joined to a larger company.

Dave

GGK: Your creativity and talent never ceased to amaze me! (Although the photo is embarrassing for me!! I don't deserve such honor!!!)

Menifee, CA(Zone 9a)

GGK,
Great Photo of Dave. I don't mind my name being left off the photo. It isn't about me, it's all about Dave. I think someone should make a t-shirt with Dave's photo that could include all of his supporter's names on it. Mine is a long name, and would be hard to fit it in. I'm proud of you for getting as many of us in as you could without obscuring Dave. It was great to see his smiling face, and see the Dave's Garden t-shirt he is wearing. : - )
Cover shot for the Calendar. Yes!

Dave, you've built a wonderful family. I do hope that both Melody and Terry do remain a part of the DG admin team. Terry really did help me with a problem recently.

Miguel, please understand the hardest thing for people to accept is change. We don't want to deal with a faceless company but would rather deal with a real person who cares, like Dave.

As Dann_L said, "If a man wishes to know the true measure of his wealth and success he needs just to count his true friends".

Here we are, Dave, and there are a lot more of us that haven't even heard yet.

Once again, I am asking the DG members to give you guys some time to work out the details.
Remember, folks, Dave is all about integrity, honor, and fair play. I trust him to do not only what is right for him, but for us members.

In the spirit of Fairness, I am asking for people to wait and see, but more importantly to give Miguel an open and honest Welcome to DG, because like it or not he is now part of our DG family. Since we haven't had a chance to get to know Miguel yet, we should be keeping an open mind.

Miguel hope to see you at the Round Up!
Dave, my thoughts and prayers for you, DG, and a quick resolution to this issue.
Walk In Beauty!
SingingWolf

Cut Bank, MT(Zone 3a)

I Love the Photo Dave and you do deserve it & I am Honored to be on it. Also I would like to know that Terry, Joan , Melody all have a place here. Joan still has to come this way to see my Gardens.

Panhandle, FL(Zone 8a)

Hoping all goes well and I am thinking positive!
I have a plan B though and that will be to support
Dave monetarily if things go south and he starts
anew.

Saint Louis, MO(Zone 6a)

GGK: Your card is excellent and speaks from our collective hearts; very well done. Thank you for thinking of it!

Lee's Summit, MO(Zone 6a)

Dave, you have such a sweet face - I've seen your picture before, but the image still makes my heart skip a beat - you are an amazing man!

Singingwolf, I don't doubt Dave one second I just don't know this Internet Brand company & I want them to have all the information they need when making their decision about the Garden.
They bought Dave's to make money. Dave is a huge asset towards that goal. As we welcome them we want to be sure they hear from us that for many of us Dave's Garden is Dave. My membership and gardening $$$ being spent here is 100% dependent on Dave retaining his place. I think all our voices and thoughts on this are important to Internet Brands. It seems to me Community support & loyalty is what their business is all about. It is what they 'sell' to their advertisers.

Port Vincent, LA(Zone 8b)

GGK, thanks so much for making the card. It's great. May I make it a wall paper on my computer, so I can remember to whisper a prayer for Dave and all of you. So precious to see the names of those that love him, encircling around him.

Debbie

Cincinnati, OH(Zone 6a)

We'd all like the site to remain unchanged, including Dave and the rest of his gang. But, they have to eat, too, just like the rest of us. And they have to have working conditions that they can live with too. If their offer isn't good enough, they'll have to move on as we all do sometimes in our chosen careers or jobs.

I have had positions in my career that just didn't match my needs, financial potential or in terms of my working conditions, so I can relate. I hope that things work out to benefit Dave and gang, but time will tell.

Karen

Cincinnati, OH(Zone 6a)

The picture would be a nice addition to the page banner.

Karen

Mesquite, NV(Zone 9a)



I don't understand - how will the new owner(s) make money from Daves Garden? I never got the impression that Daves Garden was a big money maker nor that making money was its primary goal.

Lincoln, NE(Zone 5a)

Quote from dave :
GGK: Your creativity and talent never ceased to amaze me! (Although the photo is embarrassing for me!! I don't deserve such honor!!!)


Oh, Dave, shush. :) Yes, you do deserve such honor! With all you've given us over the years, it's nice for us to be able to show you how much you mean to every single one of us here.

Prairieville, LA(Zone 9a)

The money comes from advertising dollars and subscriptions. All of the income from here on DG will now go to IB instead of Namemedia. Plus the potential income from expansion. Being a part of a large parent company's holding will expand the exposure of the site, thus expanding potential advertiser interest and subscriber numbers.

Charlotte, NC(Zone 7b)

Good grief! I leave for a few days, and when I return, I find the fat has hit the fan!

Dave, please know that IF you set-up another site like this one, you have my permission to ask me to join you there. I looked at several similar sites before joining here, and none were as friendly as this one.

Winnipeg, MB(Zone 3b)

o my - such a lot of posts, and I loved reading them all (actually, had to Skim 'em, but what the hey.. saying I read them sounds good, too LOL there are so many people that love you, Dave!! LOL)
Thanks for the picture, GGK, and to see my name on it - what an honour! I'm one of the Canadian contingent that is floored by the number of countries and people who are here.

I truly understand that having a parent company handle the (parden the pun badseed) "bad seeds" who tried to bully you in the Garden Watchdog. And of course you want to spend time in your OWN garden, Dave. My goodness - who here doesn't understand That!! ^_^

A treasure of a person, who creates, and manages, websites with the fervour you do is certainly a "keeper" and I'm glad to hear IB has learned that in time.

Winnipeg, MB(Zone 3b)

hmmmmmmm the bolded, italized, and underlined part I included didn't get on........

It said - Daves picture should be on the 2010 Calendar

♫♪~§usan~♪♫

Winnipeg, MB(Zone 3b)

oh, and it also said (I love the back button on these browsers, cuz I went "back" to get this..........)

I've only been a member for a relatively short time (2 years), but I'd be honoured to be counted among his fervent fans. My DH doesn't even get a kiss good-morning on the weekends until I've checked what's happening on DG (that's usually cuz I'm up earlier, but what the heck - sure sounds good LOL)

Good luck on the amalgamation with IB, Dave, and I know we'll see your charming face and your quick wit more and more, now that you'll have a bit more time too!

♫♪~§usan~♪♫

Central FL, FL(Zone 9b)

Coca Cola learned an important lesson the hard way when they changed their formula; I doubt the new owners would be so foolish as to emulate Coca Cola. They're hoping to increase their bottom line, not erase it!

IB has purchased a proven product with name recognition. Along with everyone else, I'm hoping the name remains...along with its bearer and his staff.

Lufkin, TX(Zone 8b)

Everything that's been said I second, third, fourth...ad infinitum. I love this place. This is the only site I subscribe to and there's a reason for that. We're all with you Dave.

Chicago, IL(Zone 5b)

Thanks, GGK, it's beautiful and I'm honored.

This is really a 'Love' Thread, just for you, Dave.

We really understand that you need time for your 'Garden' where ever and what ever it is and the money to do so.

You have taken care of us so long, we want to return the favor.

Hap

Hamilton, OH

I am glad I looked at the whole thread, I am soooo glad that Dave isn't going anywhere
it wouldn't be the same without Dave, I agree with everyone where ever Dave is I will be also, it's like a family here, I hope there isn't many changes

Elizabeth

Phoenix, AZ

Wonderful tribute to Dave and Dave's Garden and fans as well, GGK! Thanks for being so inspired. ~Susie
Gee, I hope the team can stay whole!

This old man is possibly naive and has been wifely certified as stupid.

That said, I just always naively and stupidly assumed that "Dave's Garden" was a nifty resource on the Internet that had been set up by some guy named Dave and that people just signed on because ... well, because of all those reasons that you all have expressed far better than I can.

Mekos: you said it for you; and you said for me; and I bet you said it for others here as well. DG is our lifeline. It's that simple and that stark.

But I ain't so old that I'se stupid. Even running a blog means paying cash to someone for occupying time on their server. Still, I always just figured that Dave was using the subscription fees to cover those costs and that the ad income covered those who did not pay subscription fees, allowing the to have access to the Plant Files, etc.

Well, now I see that I am old enough that I IS stupid.

Dave built this garden, probably along the lines that I mentioned above.
But, probably like so many, I was so naive that when I joined, I thought that Dave just ran this site on subscription and ad revenue and that the "Ubers" were just folk like D19G66 or Ihateflowers or Potagere or other usernames you can imagine (and I profoundly apologize if I have inadvertently used real usernames), who were just doing this fine work in their off time.

It actually never occurred to me that this was a commercial enterprise. It never occurred to me that Dave (or, especially, Melody et al.) were PAID!
Well, but of course. It is a commercial enterprise.

I was never aware that Dave had sold it in the first place.
I'd say, in response to that, folks, that he valued us at whatever price and employment guarantee he got at the time.

Think about that. What were we worth to him when he first sold us?

I also thought that the Admins and "Ubers" were just folk who had been with us some long tine, the Admins having access to the Website's control mechanisms.

If they are paid staff, then I believe they owe us as much as we owe them.

I am a Buddhist. As such, I have become concerned about the level of Christian assertiveness that has been allowed in the fora. I don't want you to pray for me, nor do I want you to expect that I will "pray" for you. AND as America's issues with the rest of the world are increasingly defined --- on both sides -- -as religious issues, do I wish to be Iumped with either "side".

I also want my grand-children to be able to access this wonderful site But that is not going to happen if Fundamentalist Christianity is continued to have its free run of DG.

What has worked so far is an "Old South" attitude on DG: Mostly everything goes, so long as you are willing to tolerate Christian supremacy and to step into the street whenever a Christian attitude comes walking doen the pike.

I'd like a site where being Christian is OK;
where being Mormon is OK;
where being Muslim is OK;
where being Buddhist is OK;
Where being whatever was just fine and I did not have to hear your prayers to whomever with more respect that you will give to my chants to whomever.

Can InternetBrands handle that?
I'm not sure that Dave was even ready to do so.
But, for the most part, he was a Christian who let the rest of us live;
so I'd walk with him long before I'd stay in a site that gives Christians precedence over the rest of us
And over OUR family values

Thumbnail by Potagere
Baton Rouge area, LA(Zone 8b)

Anybody who`s name is not on the front of the picture is on the back of the picture. See, you All got Dave`s back covered. :)

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