Hmmm, maybe introducing Golden S. Gazer to this garden infected the others?
But G.S.G. was the last to show virus symptoms. This is going to drive me nuts now. lol
Is This Lily Virus?
Steve, yes, L. lancifolium. Judith Freeman cleaned some up a couple of years ago using meristem culture. I don't really know much about the technique but essentially very new growth is tissue cultured. The newest growth has the lowest virus count. I believe this is done a number of times to statistically reduce the count to zero or near that. Just a tidbit of information. The bulbs that she then propagated were sold through one of the PNWLS sales as I recall.
You know, there is nothing really innately wrong with L. lancifolium being virused. A disease resistant/tolerant lily is a good thing and hybridizers should strive for that quality. The problem is most lilies are not so resistant so the advice is to grow the tigers in an isolated area from other lilies.
I had an extremely bad experience with LAs a few years back. I ordered 25 bulbs of an Asiatic mix and 25 bulbs of an LA mix. I planted them all out in a plot, figuring I would dig them when they were blooming, pot them up, and sell at work for an annual fundraiser that we have. Well they ALL opened as the same LA and they were ALL virused, the symptom in this case being broken color in the blooms. They were all of the type red tips with yellow centers.
I would have thought that the crossed varieties would be less apt to have virus symptoms. It's that genetic thing, thinking that of the two cultures (longi and asiatic) that it would give you the properties that would be most resistant in each side, making a stronger, not a weaker lily. Genetics has always fascinated me.
Your experience pard with those large batches sound miserable though. I have 'Samur' and I just love it. I'd hate to yank it just because.
I have also had 'Golden Stargazer' for years with no problems. Could it be a carrier with no symptoms?
Well, I have one that is destined for the landfill..
Pandora.. All three bulbs came up looking sickly...
Thanks for the detailed info, pard. You are a cornucopia of lily knowledge :-) Mags, glad to hear about Samur, as I just ordered 10 of those from the B&B end of season sale! I have many LA's and have had for at least three years (like Algarve - planted some the first year I moved here) and so far no indications of problems, so keeping fingers crossed ...
Oh I forgot, I have Samur also (I think). We all discussed it here a while back (just a very few little specks around the center). It has also done well for me for many years, at least 5 or 6. It was labeled Lollipop. NOT!
Ticker, what kind of lily is Pandora (oriental, OT etc)? Taking notes here...
Pard, Ok, so as long as we're clear on that.....lol
Ticker, I suppose someone has to make the inevitable Pandora's box joke, so might as well be me.....unfortunately, that particular lily has no hope.....
I second the "thanks, Pard". Always learning something from you, and grateful for it.
Yes, Pandora is an Oriental lily. Susy, maybe it's best to leave Pandora in her box.. :) LOL In reality, she's leaving in a black trash bag. Poor thing. I guess I might as well just dig her and toss her right now.
Can one plant another lily back in a virused lily's spot right away, or should it be left vacant for a year or so?
And remember, as many of you already know, virus "resistant" is really the wrong word here. With lilies, the opposite of susceptible is tolerant (not resistant).
Resistance implies that lilies somehow fight off infection. Not the case.
Virus "resistant" lilies can be infected, just as susceptible lilies. They merely tolerate the infection, don't show symptoms, and keep on growing.
Susceptible lilies are categorized as such because they easily show virus symptoms and infection usually results in death.
My pic above is of Nippon. My records show that I planted 2 in the Spring of '07. The other one still looks good.
What are your thoughts about replanting the area where a virused lily has been removed?
Moby, there has to be a vector for virus to pass from one lily to another. I went back to Ed McRae's book to see if he answered this question. He did not answer it directly. He did say that virus does not persist in dead tissue. He also said that there are soil-borne viruses that are transmitted by nematodes but that this is very rare in the U.S. The main vector is aphids. Soooo.... it is probably OK to replant there according to this information. Personally, I don't, mainly because proximal plants may also be infected but not showing symptoms yet.
Then I'll probably wait a month and replant in the area. The closest lily next to it is four to five feet away. Thanks Pard. :)
Thanks Pard! I haven't put any lillies or bulbs of any sort in that bed since ripping out those the virused ones.
Another one, I'm pretty sure, that needs to go
Scary looking buds (if you can call them that)
My gosh...that is awful Moby! Makes you wonder how wide spread this really is now...I am really shocked !!
Here's one I pulled. It looked really bad.
There was a noticeable difference between this one and the one above. I think this one might be okay. It could be a nutrient deficiency? It didn't get pulled, not yet at least. What do you think?
Break out the Epsom Salts, Mags! :) What can it hurt?
If Epsom salts is what your lily needs, how long after treatment does the plant show improvement?
After yesterday's discussion I went out and found a couple of my lilies in need of the treatment, Geisha Girl being one of them. This time I just sprinkled the Epsom salts around the plant and watered it in.
As I recall (sorta) the response was fairly quick, a greening up within a couple of weeks.
Iff you were to apply it as a foliar treatment, I expect an improvement would be far quicker, even a few days. If you mix not more than 1 tablespoon to the gallon, that should be a good foliar application rate.
If epsom salt doesn't work, try Miracle-gro. Miracle-gro contains all the necessary elements for plants. More than one nutrient deficiency can cause the similar symptoms. It might be iron that is lacking instead of magnesium, for instance. You can apply Miracle-gro as a foliar treatment too.
Moby, that is a lily belonging to the "Feed me!" genre. Scary . . .
LOL You're right! I'll keep back so it doesn't start suckling my finger.
OK, I think I may have joined the virus club. this opened up and was the most horrifyingly ugly lily I have but it sure did smell great! I think it is "Satisfaction". Leaves are curled and the flowers were all streaked and a little twisted like you see. I pulled the sem and bug up the bulb. Do you all think this was virused?
Stevie, I'd have done the exact same thing. Doesn't look good to me. But someone else with more experience may be able to advise you better.
Looks pretty sick to me. You did good yanking that thing out. :)
Steve, the sharply delineated blotches in the flower are classic signs, but not exclusive to virus. How is it that that flower has two sets of reproductive parts (pistil and stamens)? Not an indication of virus (that I know of, at least). Had you sprayed some pesticides (especially herbicides) nearby when it was developing? It's a not unheard of result with Round up, and that could explain the other symptoms too.
LOL thanks you guys.
Thanks Leftwood, no I have not sprayed any pesticides; I thought the flowers looked strange too -the flowers were very strongly fragrant but looked horrible with the blotching and streaking and the leaves were curled and a little twisted as well. I have really not used any chemicals here other than watering with Miracle-Gro a couple of times. Not sure what's going on with my deformed flowers so I thought you or pard would be able to help, and I thank you for that!! ^_^ We have had lots of rain which I thougt might have had an impact, but the soil is very well drained so there is no standing water. The bulb looked normal - will a virus maifest any symptoms in the appearance of the bulb?
will a virus maifest any symptoms in the appearance of the bulb?
Don't know.
What do you guys think of this one?
I'd say no, but I am not saying I'm an expert.
I'd try a little fertilizer first and see how that goes. See Lefty's post above http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=6603258
ok will try...thanks...
jmorth, your lily does not looked virused.
Some fertilizer as mentioned, or even just time, usually clears it up.
I would say the virused ones have a more marbled like leaf appearance. They really do look quite a bit different as compared to a nutrient deficiency.
great; I'm breathing easier...
I'm with Moby, mags and Lefty on this one. Not virus.