Chinese mg id???

Hi all,

Just came across these seeds on ebay, have permission to borrow the pic and wondering does anyone know the correct botanical name of this chinese mg or what name it is travelling under????

TIA,

Annette

OMG, Annette! If you can actually aquire seeds from your source, please share the information with me. THAT is the VERY Chinese Yellow blooming MG that I would love to get my hands on! I have tried and tried to get seeds for that beauty and have had no luck. I even have a soon-to-be DIL who is Chinese and is trying to locate seeds in China for me. She's had no luck, as well.

Hi Becky,

I have purchased a couple of packs, they are available on ebay if that helps, I was just trying to get an id :)))
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400037257789

It's a beauty, Annette! I snagged a few of those babies to see what they're all about!

Joseph

Yes I think we will all have to sow and grow:))))

It reminds me of a merremia something or nother.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://botany.cs.tamu.edu/FLORA/perdeck/vin_145.jpg&imgrefurl=http://botany.csdl.tamu.edu/FLORA/imaxxcnv.htm&usg=__OUk0MDHzmVme4DcjB9lFCsbgmyM=&h=654&w=1118&sz=196&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=P5vrBy-CtURPWM:&tbnh=88&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmerremia%2Bumbellata%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us%26rlz%3D1I7GZAZ_en%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1

Thanks so very much Annette! I will definitely order a packet of those!

I hope the seeds are what they say they are! How cool is that!

Thanks for giving us the heads up on that ebay sale. I very much appreciate it!

Becky, the description on ebays says 1" flowers, sniff sniff, this smells like vitifolia to me. Frank

This looks like the Yellow Morning Glory from China that is still an 'unknown' species.
http://www.natureproducts.net/Forest_Products/Convolvulaceae/evening_glory.html

Emma

The clustere flower looks like merremia umbellata. It probably is a variety of merremia umbellata with skinny leaves instead of fat rounded leaves. I`m just not some expert so people will not belive me or acknowledge the common sense of my observation. :)

Note the cluster and the sepals.

Here is Yehexy from Chime how want exchanges , he don't precise wich Ipomoea he have .
http://www.gardenpassion.net/soloaccion/details3.cfm/recordID/594

This is one of the pictures from that web site I referenced. I hope maybe someone else can see the resemblance particularly in the cluster of the flower and sepals. Now later after ya`ll grow the seeds pods will tell even more about this plant.

http://botany.cs.tamu.edu/FLORA/perdeck/ant_111.jpg

Is he a botanist? Just curious. :)

Maybe my information could give him some ideas and help him.

Karen - I knew it was the one listed on the health website, but there is no name. How do you know the name? What weblink do you know of that IDs this bloom and vine?

Becky, Check it out and make your own decision if it "favors" or not. It is in all my previous posts.

By the way, saying a plant "favors" or "looks like" is not the same thing as ID. I`m not a botanist but then again I can see definate resemblances that are not easy to ignore. Simple observations are not conclusive to a positive ID.

Karen - Where did you get the name "merremia umbellata" from? I didn't see a name listed on any of those links you posted.

Look all the way down the page until you get to merremia umbellata and it shows pictures which I think could be useful as reference and certainly is not information presented as a positive ID.


http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://botany.cs.tamu.edu/FLORA/perdeck/vin_145.jpg&imgrefurl=http://botany.csdl.tamu.edu/FLORA/imaxxcnv.htm&usg=__OUk0MDHzmVme4DcjB9lFCsbgmyM=&h=654&w=1118&sz=196&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=P5vrBy-CtURPWM:&tbnh=88&tbnw=150&prev=/images?q=merremia+umbellata&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&rlz=1I7GZAZ_en&sa=G&um=1


This is the image you will find there that has the flowers and cluster of sepals that resembles Annette`s plant though is not intended to positively ID her plant.

http://botany.cs.tamu.edu/FLORA/perdeck/ant_111.jpg

This photo
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=6272390

IS the exact photo from the China Site -
http://www.natureproducts.net/Forest_Products/Convolvulaceae/evening_glory.html

3rd photo down

that states this Unknown species is an Evening Bloomer

The description from the China Site
"Evening Glory

this cute little species is not known to us scientifically and we call it the 'Evening Glory' because its creamy yellow flowers open in the afternoon.
The species makes a great addition to the other Morning Glories. It is very small and can hence easy be cultivated indoors.
It flowers throughout the dry winter season and the seeds are ready in March.
the leaves are slender
if you know the scientific name, please let us know.
Thank you."



HOWEVER, this does not mean that the seeds being sold on eBay are the exact species, simply because they are using the China photo

I thought of that already, Emma. But I am willing to waste a few bucks to find out. I am not holding my breath though... time will tell. I wonder where the ebay seller got the seeds from ...

Hi Becky,
I would be interested to know that too.
I'm sending you a D-Mail

Emma

Annette - Emma is correct...the photos that Smartseeds is using is the same exact photo taken from the site in China...

Post a closeup photo of the seeds and I can tell you if :

1) the seeds are the same as was originally offered by the site in China

The seeds of the 'Evening Glory' as originally offered by the site in China were not M.vitifolia or M.umbellata nor does the photo look like either one of these in my opinion...

The seeds that were distributed by the company in China were dark and about the size of I.purpurea seeds with silvery black stiff hairs that broke or dislodged somewhat easily from many of the seeds...

I have seen this same small creamy-white flower with yellow primary folds posted in Vietnam by a University and they couldn't ascertain the genus either...


TTY,...


Ron



This message was edited Mar 21, 2009 4:03 AM

Here is a picture of the seeds, which arrived ever so quickly. I've not had seeds like these before.

Joseph

Joseph - The seeds posted here
http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/Gerris2_1237523792_250.jpg
are the same exact seeds that I had received from the Natureproducts / Forest Products site in China for the small moonvine with the creamy white flower and yellow primary folds...and it's good to see that this (as of yet) unknown species is once again available...

Thanks for sharing your photo of the seeds...

TTY,...

Ron

I had shared some seeds with Marie-imzadi and the foliage of the plant is shown in the photo that Marie had posted to me (sometime in 2008) here,although I'm not aware of what the current status of the plant is...

Gee Ron, this news has made me one happy camper! Yahooooooo (or in Texas Yeeeehawwwwww)!!

Joseph

uhm.. I caved and received mine today as well.. I am a sucker for the unordinary...

Ron, the Natureproducts / Forest Products site lists another yellow MG. Have you had heard of that one being available here in the US?

Joseph

Joseph - The other Yellow Morning Glory that is depicted on the Natures Products ? Forest Products site is shown here
http://www.natureproducts.net/Forest_Products/Convolvulaceae/MorningGloryYell.400.jpg
http://www.natureproducts.net/Forest_Products/Convolvulaceae/MorninGloryYell.2.400.jpg
and is Merremia vitifolia...

I had forwarded my ID to the company in China and they replied to thank me and they intended to add the binomial that I had supplied to website when they updated the site...but for whatever reason the binomial hasn't yet appeared on their site...

They had previously informed me that they were no longer going to offer seeds because it was simply not profitable / otherwise working out for them , but that they intended to continue to offer plants...

The seeds of the Merrmia vitifolia that I received from the site in China looked exactly like the Merremia vitifolia seeds coming out of Thailand and I entered some photos of the plants (as per the Chinese seeds) in the PlantFiles here
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/151682/


Merremia vitifolia seems to be a winter flowering perennial rooted species , much like the Ipomoea ochracea and is most likely to flower in the warmest part of the country e.g., CA,Southern Texas and FL...perhaps in a greenhouse,although the vine tends to get large (!)...

Multiple growouts may eventually yield a plant that will be more adapted to a temperate climate...


TTY,...


Ron

thanks for the information Ron....

Thanks for the great info, Ron! If you want someone to help growout the M. vitifolia you probably would not have to look far (hint HINT) LOL!

OH MY! Whoo Hoo! That is absolutely excellent news! I am stoked!!!!

I had contacted Mia and here is her reply:
"Hi Becky,

Is the question whether my supplier is reliable, or will I tell you who my supplier is?

My supplier is a scholarly botanist in China, and he doesn't know the Latin name of this plant. It's his job to know what he's doing. I'm sure they are what he says they are. His other seeds have been terrific.

I don't give out sources except to close seed friends (usually other vendors who'd do the same for me) and in this case, you'd need to speak Mandarin.

Order away. And clarify your question if you like.

Thanks!

Mia"

I am really happy to hear this!

This message was edited Mar 20, 2009 7:42 AM

I`m sure he would agree with me they Resemble merremia umbellata. Even the seeds favor...check plant files. I`m glad to hear he is a botanist. If we could talk I`m sure he would be nice to me,think it was neat that I had a interest in checking out the characteristics of plants and probably teach me a thing or two.

Even the seeds are fuzzy.

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/9259/

I just think this is neat. I`m not trying to identify the plant.

Scroll nearly all the way down the page. The pictures are nice. I can`t understand this language but I see a low growing vine very similar to this one.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://static.flickr.com/43/89786797_f3dcc9e446.jpg&imgrefurl=http://forum.ctu.edu.vn/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D3242&usg=__cutPz6GnX42rYLvoySZUfAvoSso=&h=375&w=500&sz=113&hl=en&start=41&um=1&tbnid=AcSrUG06B2HBzM:&tbnh=98&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmerremia%2Bumbellata%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us%26rlz%3D1I7GZAZ_en%26sa%3DN%26start%3D40%26um%3D1

The page is in Vietnamese. Copy and paste the link.

http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en#

I sent for some of the Chinese Evening Glories too... so thanks for the pic Joseph and ID Ron :-) ...I'm looking forward to growing them out with everyone here :-)

these are the seeds of Merremia vitifolia from the Thai ebay seller... and the Operculina turpethum also appear to be correct :-)

On " ebay " chinese ( Taobao.com ) only one MG for sale
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-c62e7d341053d6e23eb0ebcc70a683da.jhtml
No need to translate .

I got my seeds from Mia today and they look just like Joseph's order. I shall be starting some of them this weekend and am hoping that they turn out to be the very plants in the photos. :-) If so, my future dil will be getting a pot of this vine. She is Chinese and has tried and tried to locate some seeds for me through relatives in China with no luck.

Does anyone know the habit of this MG? Is it a trailing vine that runs along the ground? If so, it will find a nice place in one of my larger garden beds to ramble around between other plants. :-) I am really excited! :-)

Good luck with your great find and keep seeds for trading! I will be top of the list.
I did see a yellow morningglory that grew on a beach but it is a protected species.
Great going all, can't wait to see mine open!! Sunny but cold and I am getting a 'cold'. Will take Vit C and Echinechia..