Birdy birdy in the sky please do not poopy in my eye, gosh aren't you glad cows can't fly.
Genetic for Dummies
Have you ever seen a fresh cow paddy land!!!!!!! Double Splat!!!!!!
I have to vivid a imagination!!!!!
ohhhhhhhhhhhh me to. ewwwwwwwwww
Now if they would just float over their own fields it would obviate the need for manure spreaders. And really improve pastures. Hmmm. I'm not really a fan of genetic manipulation, but...
Just train them to go OVER a pasture and not my house!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!
Nowwaiddaminutt....I do NOT recall volunteering to train flying cows! lolol.
Oh come on!!!! You can do it. I am afraid of heights or I would do it
I see sleeping pills lined up on counters all over the US tonight..
LOL.. glad we could give so many food for thought... mmmmm, yuk, ok, maybe not food, but flying trainable large objects.
It bring back memories of when My DD took us kids to our cousins Dairy to collect cow paddies for his garden. Splat!!!!!
Have you ever accidentally stepped in one and it went slap over the top of your shoe EEEEEWWWWW
BTW it's impossible to get that smell out of canvas tennis shoes LOL
Yes, the brangus is an angus x brahman cross. The cross has been somewhat standardized now, and is considered a separate breed of cattle. It started as an attempt to get a little meatier conformation while keeping the heat tolerance and insect resistance of the Brahman. Crosses with other breeds led to the Braford, Simbra, and the earliest to be recognized, the Santa Gertrudis. Santa Gertrudis, developed by the King Ranch, was based on crosses with Shorthorn cattle.
Robert
A small bit of advice. Don't drive your convertible alongside a cattle truck or trailer on the outside of a curvy road. The results can be traumatic.
I didn't know that there were "insect resistant" cattle. Wow.
Brahman cattle skin is more loosely fitted, and they canflex it some, disloging biting flies. Also are less likely to have ticks.
I think I am gradually developing insect resistance--at least my skin is looser than it used to be.
I see cows poop daily but I try not to step in it that often. my chickens must be listening for it also because they come running. I don't like to drive next to anything transporting cattle even in my pick up (cowboy stationwagon) I have to clean off my own aniamals excretment I don't want to have to clean off anybody elses. Can everyone say scowers?
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I'm with Catscan on the looser skin and "insect resistance". Of course I have spilt enough Warbex on me throughout the years, I am sure I glow int he dark at night and maybe that has something to do with the insect resistance. We raise Charolais and bred them back to Angus bulls. We are also getting ready for calving season. Love to dirve out and see new babies. I will forever love spring time and babies of all kinds
We also have Quarter horses. We use them on the farm and we also rope for a little enjoyment. Grampy (my dad) has had a pony for Paiton and Blayne since Paiton was 2 and Blayne was pre-birth. I have a feeling they will rodeo to if Grampy and I have anything to do with it.
Okay the chicken genetics still have me baffled. I understand everything that we have talked about so far, but like diluters and the such are still out there and how to get lacing on a hen is also something I know nothing about.
Any hints from the pros?
Sheila
Sheila i know what you mean by spring and babys we have a goat farm up the road from us and i would say theres at least 50 nannys in that pasture. I look forward to them giveing birth every spring they all have little twin babys. They will all be out there running and playing and are so cute.
I almost run off the road looking at them when i go by LOL
Wish i knew more on the genetics (sorry)
oh and as far as the flying cow project.......................you are going to need a really short cow or a really tall chicken!
lol OHHHHHHHHHH the visual i just had.
Sheila,
I don't know much about lacing specifically, but theoretically, it should be under the control of one or more genes. That would work just like a color gene. I couldn't find a lot in searching, but I found a couple of places that stated lacing is a recessive trait, which would make sense to me because it's not as common as not-laced. So, for example, let's call the lacing gene A. The dominant form of that gene (which doesn't show lacing) is A. The recessive form (which does show lacing) is a.
So AA and Aa birds will not show lacing.
aa birds will show lacing.
In order to get birds with lacing, you need to do one of the following crosses:
aa to Aa (should produce half laced offspring)
aa to aa (should produce all laced offspring)
Aa to Aa (should produce 1/4 laced offspring and 1/2 carriers and 1/4 not)
The last one will be two non-laced birds that are "carriers" but it would be hard for you to know they are carriers unless you know they've produced laced offspring in the past.
Note that the following crosses won't work in the first generation:
AA to aa (will make all Aa birds which will all be carriers but not show the trait).
AA to Aa (will make half Aa birds, again, carriers not showing the trait)
So going back to some of what I said before, it's important to know the genetics of the parents you are dealing with, and sometimes you can only determine that by test crossing. The convenient thing here is, if a bird is laced, since the gene is recessive, you know it has to have two copies of the recessive form (aa). Therefore, any offspring you get from that bird's breeding should either be laced or will be a carrier.
Diluters another time...
Claire
I did get lacing in one of my back crosses ---which leads me to believe there's a link between lacing and the barring/ pattern gene. A RIR great grand and a BJG grand parent were the only non barred stock. And I think a lot of the ameraucana lace look comes from that same background.
okay maybe i am still awake but how do I know wht the parents are? Like are they AA, Aa or aa. would only be able to tell if i bred them and referenced offspring right?
Okay need to make a gold laced Orpington (yes the cat is out of the bag). Or maybe should make a silver laced orpington. Don't know which would be easier to start with.
I have buff orpingtons and Silver laced Wyandottes and Gold laced Cochins.
But here are the issues with a silver laced orpington:
If I go for Silver laced Orpingtons, buffs are, well buff and silver laced are silver. Also orpingtons have a single comb and wyandottes have a rose comb. Also, wyandottes have yellow legs and orpingtons have a paler pink leg. Body types are somewhat similar but buff are more fluffy.
Okay issues on gold laced orpington:
The cochins have feather feet and I am not sure what color shanks, but have heard that feather feet are hard to breed out. The combs would match and the body types are similar (puffy). Also would not want the Broodiness of the cochins. Also the broodiness of the cochins could slow the process drastically.
How do I find out if single or rose combs are dominant. and what shank colors are dominant. What color is dominant buff or silver. Or do both have diluters or maximumizers........................I think I need a drink.
Any suggestions from the masters.............
Sheila
I second that one, I need a drink to.
Back to the flying cow. one word LADDER
lol yea
Cochins are to have yellow shanks and toes.
Edit to add: I gues it just depends on the color of the cochin on the shanks and toes. 18 colors recognized so..............
This message was edited Mar 5, 2009 10:06 AM
Right because I think that blue black and splash cochins have gray shanks. I don't even know where to start. but any way, it gives us stay-at-home-moms some way to exercise our brains.
I never thought of a ladder for the flying cow, but would think that might work with some wine and roses for ambiance.
Sheila
you guys no imagination... (fly in service)
Comb genetic is fairly simple--single is the default, so if you start with at least one parent with a single comb, you should be able to get back to that fairly quickly--within a couple generations...and the single comb shows up very early on the chick..so that helps too.
There are some good sites for comb genetics...I am at work but I can look them up later--or....grownut!
The top section of this page has an excellent explanation of comb genetics, and then right under it, shank genetics. Yay, 2 birds with one stone, I mean site, err....
http://www.pekinbantams.com/genetics_two_one.asp
With how poorly a chicken flies I thing the ladder would be better or a hole for the cow to stand in.
(that is how they breed a small stallion to a tall mare)
The ladder would be a good idea for my bantie roos that are trying to breed my regular size hens. There would be a lot less frustration in the barnyard! The only way that I can think of to simplify this poultry thing is to breed horses instead! Much easier but more expensive.
Lisa
Sheila,
I know what you mean about the Warbex. I also claim to be immune to blackleg and anthrax because of accidental pokes with needles while giving vaccinations to cattle and calves.
We no longer use horses to work cattle since the numbers are smaller, and they follow a feed sack very well.
I grew up carrying a rope on my saddle but never got into competition. (Too slow on the ground) Never had the urge to ride bucking stock either. Got enough of that from the young horses.
Robert
I know what you mean about the rough stock. I always noticed that the rough stock riders seem to get much more attention, but usually it was because they just got their head stomped on. If I can still have the same fun and not get thrown that is considered a good choice to me. I used to be semi quick on the ground (goat-tying) but now team roping is more the speed.
Sheila
I have never ridden bucking stock by choice. I won't even ride greenies anymore a couple trips to the emergency, and a separated shoulder which later required surgery have cured me of that. My kids won't even ride they have seen me thrown too many times. I guess I'm finally getting old enough to have some sense but I really beat my body up in the process.
Lisa
Its just that the ground gets harder each year!!!
Robert