Well the barring gene has me flummoxed...maybe a few generations down the road...
Genetic for Dummies
I don't know much about the barring gene I'm afraid.
You mean barring as in barred rock?
Yuppers. Makes freaky weird patterns on males and females when crossed, but differently. Males are louder patterns -spangled and stuff. Females get streaks or lacing.
As I know nothing about fowl genetics, I shall retire to my corner and contemplate the bovine world.
Robert
LOL. Glad you chimed in Robert!! I know nothing either but it's not stopping me...
Oh come on Robert, tell us about bovine genetics! We could all learn something I'm sure!
Edited to say - after all, this is the poultry and LIVESTOCK forum, not just poultry! Bovine is livestock! So is Ovine and Caprine, so let's hear about it!
This message was edited Mar 2, 2009 8:11 PM
Pavonine! Asinine?
Egads! Vocabularian strikes again!!
Oh no! The Vocabularian!!! (trembling...)
Is she talking about my donkeys?
Heh, heh, heh.....
Well my Crele are BB red X Barred and they have the bb colors with the barred look so Barred must just add bars to a color (i don't know)
Robert-you are only 70 miles north of me. I thought I was the only one "way out here". Please chime in about bovine genetics, you can chew your cud and get that spaced out look just like the cows do. I have 1 bull a Scottish Highland, and 1 steer a zebu. Obviously, not a very good breeding program. I think what make chicken genetics so confusing is that there are so many different colors and so many different patterns.
Lisa
Lisa,
My cattle are mixed breed, mostly with a percentage (1/4 to1/2) of simmental. A few have some limousine, and some are part angus or brangus. My herd bull is adeep mahogany red purebred polled simmental. The calves are mostly shades of red with white faces if their mothers have the white face. Some of the angus or brangus crosses will have dark smoky gray calves. Color is immaterial to me, since I sell by the pound at weaning time. Rate of gain per day is what is vital in the cattle business today. I personally do not care for horned cattle, even though I do have some.
Calving season is on now. We have 13new babies so far, and should have more in the next week.
We are really dry this year, and are feeding hay and protein supplements.
Robert
I fell bad for you cattle ranchers having no grass is crazy. I have everything but sheep and we are obviously having to supplement also. Color is only important to me in my paint horses but ability and personality are more important. I just enjoy the genetics discussion because that's were my education lies, but this poultry thing is making my brain hurt.
Lisa
Hey, I'm very glad to hear about the cattle. We're at the haven't gotten there yet stage. One jersey who needs to be bred. Very easy handler. We're working our way up and trying to bring this patch o' ground back from a very bad place.
Don't think I will ever get to horse genetics...
So, back to the chicken genetics.... anyone know if there are sex-linked color or pattern traits in chickens? And are the sex chromosome pairs reversed in chickens compared to mammals? In mammals, females are XX and males are XY. I used to breed cockatiels and it's reversed - males are XX and females are XY. Makes it very interesting when you have sex-linked as well as non-sex-linked traits and you're trying to figure out what the babies are going to be.
We have nothing but cattle now, except for DWs two pasture ornaments.
We were fortunate enough to make a late hay crop last fall and had a stockpile when we began feeding in Nov. If we get normal rain in April we will probably not have to sell cattle.
Lisa, I agree with you about horses ability and personality, even though the best cowhorse I ever rode was mean! Riding him across a pasture you had to watch all the time so that he did not hurt you, but put him after acow, and you could relax and enjoy the ride.
Robert
Patrob on my computer your post is like ten miles long whats up with that??
Same here Har -probably undeleted returns. Happens sometimes.
{{{maybe it means we missed something really cooollll....:-(}}}
Grownut you haven't spoken to me in Days where you been LOL ^_^
"Undeleted Returns" What's that? I'm officially bowing out of this poultry genetic discussion do to utter ignorance. I have a friend who breeds snakes (cobras) for color, they use them in movies and they are collectible. But the information that I did contribute was for mammals and just basic stuff. The sexual dimorphism thing makes poultry more difficult because what you see is not what you've got.
Patrob- My horses are bred for dressage and jumping. I love to watch cow horses work but my saddle doesn't have a horn and the few times I have tried I screamed and that upset the horse. Got to go feed, the donkeys are yelling .
Lisa
Undeleted returns are when you hit the "enter" key a whole bunch of types after what you type...
....like that.
If you do that after the end of your post, it makes the post really long but empty on the bottom.
Gallesfarm - yes the sex chromosomes are reversed in chickens too.
Patrob - what is a Brangus? Is that an angus cross of some kind?
I know you addressed this question to Patrob but a brangus is an angus x Brahma. I'll let Robert tell you why this cross is used so often.
Robert-Hey be careful with that "lawn ornament comment" just kidding. Claire and I both already have the Whole market when it comes to lawn ornaments. OK I am walking away from the computer. You guys are addicting!
Lisa
Ah! Of course! I should have thought of that!
I have Light Brahma breed of chickens! Three of them! They are definitely not crossed with any Angus!
LOL Claire
mmm....feathered cows....
Grownut....all I can think is...."Dang it, grab an umbrella, here comes another flock of those cows"
I hope you're not thinking that at work. If I behaved publicly like i did reading that thought o' yourn..... hoothollerchucklecrygigglegigglegiggle...weeeeeep....
FLYING COWS I thought only PIGS FLEW Thats really going to mess up the clear coat on somebody's Car!!
{{{we thought we were confused with chicken genetics -how do chicken/ cow crosses work?!}}}
I thought we where still working on the chick-a-poo
We're multi-tasking. Chickapoo and Brahngus on the same thread, lol!!
do not forget the llama-a-poo and the goat-poo I want one of each. LOL
I'm sure that cross would have hybrid vigor.
Lisa
hmm, doesn't anyone ever wonder how that cow really did jump over the moon?
And maybe the the sky really WAS falling! Ever seen a cowpie comin atcha 100mph straight down.. from a chickens point of view...
gives ya something to think about tonight when you lay down your head, don't it?
Maybe that is the brown stuff that keeps showing up on my car!!!!! LOL
LOL Fran and Wren, you guys crack me up. Now I'm gonna have to look up every time I go outside!
The sky is falling-----splat!!!!!!!!