Fall/Winter Bulbs in California

Los Altos, CA(Zone 9a)

Wonderearth: I think the kind of crocus matters. The usual kind that grow in cold winter climates are Crocus vernus varieties. They usually fizzle in my garden, even in the ground and in the shade--even if some do manage to bloom. The crocus that I have tried this year are native to the Mediterranean area so they like our winters. However, the flowers seem to be smaller than the C. vernus types. So you need to pick a spot where you can see them easily and plant a bunch-25 or 50--at least, that is my strategy. I prefer to put them in the ground which I think stays a bit cooler and damper than pots. But some of the tiniest ones get lost if they are down at ground level, so I do put them in small pots.

Here's a better photo of Crocus ancyrensis "Golden Bunch" with more in bloom. They are planted in partial shade at the end of my walk from the front door to the mail box, and I can see them from a window next to the front door. Their little golden faces really light up the area among all the green plants around them.

Chris

My muscari have had leaves for several months, but no blooms, yet. I usually get blooms in late Feb/Mar so yours do seem a bit early. Must be all that unusual heat in Jan.

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Gilroy (Sunset Z14), CA(Zone 9a)

chris, I MUST have some of those!! Unfortunately, there are no vendors listed in PlantFiles :-(

Do you have any good sources, or shall I just start googling?

Menifee, CA(Zone 9a)

What imapigeon said! Beautiful! (Long sigh!) : )
Are yours planted in the shade? I think maybe I haven't had as good luck with the crocus is they are in a too sunny location. Seeing the other plants you have growing near them, makes me realize where they'd do well. I've really enjoyed watching your crocus sprout and bud and now bloom. : )
WIB,
SW

Los Altos, CA(Zone 9a)

Last summer I found 2 sources for Crocus ancyrensis 'GoldenBunch'

My source was Brent and Becky's www.brentand beckysbulbs.com --.

I planted them in late Oct, in partial shade under a tree. In another location I planted some at the feet of some early paperwhites that get more sun. They are also blooming now. In both locations I covered them with some mulch. I just noticed that B and B say these were introduced in 1879 so they are classed as an heirloom.

I also found them in the catalog of McClure and Zimmerman also. www.mzbulb.com

There may be other sources on the web, but I didn't look any further.

Don't know why these are not more widely known and grown around here. I am very pleased with them this year, but will be interested to see if they come back and if they multiply.

Chris

Gilroy (Sunset Z14), CA(Zone 9a)

Oooh---thanks for the link; don't know M&Z, and Brent & Becky don't seem to be selling anything right now.
Heaven forbid there should be an online nursery I don't have in my "favorites".
I did a little googling and found them on a few sites, but none were selling them. I have to get some of these in the ground for next year.
I'm afraid the crew that worked on my yard last year put my little broken-concrete walls on top of a lot of spring bulbs I forgot I had planted on the edge of my beds.....exactly where I told them to put them....sigh.

Gilroy (Sunset Z14), CA(Zone 9a)

Well, of course they didn't have the crocus available, but I did manage to find a few other things I HAD to have...

Menifee, CA(Zone 9a)

Before it got nasty out, I got this photo of my jonquils. They are still the only bulbs I've got blooming. sigh!
What's blooming for you now Chris?
WIB,
SW

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Los Altos, CA(Zone 9a)

Although it still feels like winter at our house the spring bulbs are beginning to bloom.

Narcissus 'Avalanche'

Not just a pretty face --this is fragrant, tough, forms nice clumps, needs no summer water, and comes back for years and years. My bulbs were from Bill Welch in Carmel Valley aka Bill the Bulb Baron. If you live in N Calif. it is worth a trip to his fields at this time of year. When I visited 2 years ago they had a u-pick your own bouquet $5 for 20 blooms. Check out www.billthebulbbaron.com for directions.

Chris

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Los Altos, CA(Zone 9a)

Narcissus 'Erlicheer'

first blooms, just opening. Also wonderfully fragrant and forms great clumps. Although I give them no summer water, I have read that this is a narcissus that can be over planted with summer plants and doesn't mind the summer water.

Chris

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Los Altos, CA(Zone 9a)

Cymbidium ( unkown from The Big Box store)

While not really a bulb, I always feel so lucky that we can grow these orchids outside with very little care. And the blooms last for months.

Chris


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Gilroy (Sunset Z14), CA(Zone 9a)

chris, thanks for that bulb link----I smell a road trip next fall.....

Los Altos, CA(Zone 9a)

Hi Imapigeon:

Feb into Mar is the great time to go 'window' shopping, when you can see and smell the narcissus bulbs blooming in his fields. Last time I was there the bulbs weren't identified (no labels), so you might want to bring a camera to take photos of your favorites and then compare them to photos on his website for id, if you want to order some.


I haven't been there in a couple of years, but just thinking that I'd like to go down there in the next few weeks? Anyone else from the South Bay interested in carpooling ? If you are interested d-mail me.

Chris

Stanford, CA(Zone 9b)

Looks like he goes to the Menlo Park farmer's market Chris. Have you ever tried him there?

Los Altos, CA(Zone 9a)

Doss,

No, I have never been to the Menlo Park farmer's market. Maybe I will try to go there soon and see if he is there. He is quoted in several books on bulbs for warm winter climates as an expert on N. tazettas. Have you ever been to his bulb fields in Carmel Valley? I took a friend who lived in Carmel and we picked bouquets. The car was perfumed the whole way home.

I have only ordered bulbs directly from him once, and they were gorgeous and huge. I keep meaning to order but always seem to forget in the fall. I didn't realize until today, that he sells bulbs at farmer's markets in the fall, I thought he only sold blooms in the spring.

Chris

Stanford, CA(Zone 9b)

He says on his website that you can contact him ahead of time to find out if he is coming to the market.

A trip to Carmel Valley and all of those heavenly bulbs sounds wonderful but I'm not able to do it due to my health. Otherwise I would jump at the chance!

Gilroy (Sunset Z14), CA(Zone 9a)

doss: maybe if a couple of us go, we could pick some up for you?

Stanford, CA(Zone 9b)

Thanks so much. I can't believe how generous you DG folks are. That's very sweet. I'm afraid that I sneeze when I bring narcissus into the house but it would be worth it just to see the fields!

Gilroy (Sunset Z14), CA(Zone 9a)

If we go, I'll post pix. Those shouldn't make you sneeze, no matter HOW good my camera is...LOL!

Santa Cruz, CA(Zone 9b)

He's also at the Santa Cruz market! I purchased some in the fall.

Stanford, CA(Zone 9b)

I'll look forward to the photos.

Los Altos, CA(Zone 9a)

Another tiny crocus:

Crocus olivieri balansae Zwanenburg

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Gilroy (Sunset Z14), CA(Zone 9a)

OK, chris, you just officially have the BEST bulbs I've ever seen!

Menifee, CA(Zone 9a)

I'll second that notion! I have my first daffy bloom, but the rain beat it up. Waiting to see if it rebounds!
Thanks Chris, it's always a treat!
WIB,
SW

San Diego, CA(Zone 10b)

Chirs, wow! Gotta add those to my wishlist!
This is my first time growing crocus...I hope they come back here in So Cal....I'm hooked! (especially now seeing these yellow beauties!)

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Menifee, CA(Zone 9a)

Having a severe case of Crocus Envy here! LOL!
WIB,
SW

Stanford, CA(Zone 9b)

Crocus don't come back here rob. You have to grow them as annuals.

San Diego, CA(Zone 10b)

ahhhhhhhh.... : (

Stanford, CA(Zone 9b)

However, Autumn Crocus will rebloom but they are highly poisonous. Beautiful though. They aren't really crocus but sure look like them.

San Diego, CA(Zone 10b)

That's what mine are! They're not really crocus?

Los Altos, CA(Zone 9a)

Rob,

Nice markings on those, whatever they are!

The term 'autumn crocus' isn't very specific and has been applied to several different bulbs--Colchiums (very poisonous) , Sternbergia lutea, as well as several fall blooming members of the Crocus genus like Crocus speciosus. Very confusing.

Just a note about the croci (is that the plural?) or crocuses? that I have posted on this thread--my expectation is that they will come back for us in California since they are Mediterranean natives and like relatively warm winters and dry summers. This is my first year with all of them so I don't know, for sure, yet, but look for my report on a new thread starting next fall.

The well known Dutch crocus that grows in cold winter climates are crocus vernus or crocus chrysanthus cultivars and I know they don't return well here. I think their genetic ancestors came from Alpine areas so are not well suited to our warm winters. Looking at catalogs I found there are still more crocus species that come from warm winter places and they will be on my order list for next year. Examples are C. sativus (saffron), C. imperati De Jager, C. estruscus. My goal is to try as many different ones that I can find and report on the results. That way we warm winter gardeners may find that we have more choices that we thought.

Chris

Stanford, CA(Zone 9b)

How great that there might be crocus that will tolerate our warmer winters. Thanks for doing the experiment Chris.

Menifee, CA(Zone 9a)

Chris,
I'm so excited my daffies are up and blooming. Even this one, which I planted when I first moved out here about 25 years ago. I forgot all about it until I saw the yellow splash today. I've never transplanted it and it gets no special treatment. Don't remember what kind it is. Do you recognize it?
Still waiting to see what else will pop up!
Loving all the crocus, keep on taking those photos and sharing them!
WIB,
SW

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Los Altos, CA(Zone 9a)

SW:

What a beautious bit of spring sunshine in your garden!! It looks like one of the large trumpet group--really wild guesses are maybe Carlton or Golden Harvest or ...??. I don't really know the finer points of daffodils. Those are just two of the names that I remember.


I've got a small clump of yellow ones that just started blooming and for the life of me I can't remember what they are. Still, even without a name, they are welcome.

Chris

Menifee, CA(Zone 9a)

Too right Chris. Thanks for trying. I'm just impressed that they are still blooming after all these years!
WIB,
SW

Stanford, CA(Zone 9b)

Mine aren't fully opened. I really wish that I knew the name of them because they are lovely and don't break in the rain or wind which a lot of the larger ones do. I have the name somewhere but it must not be thatimportant because I'm not looking for it!

Menifee, CA(Zone 9a)

Another lone daffy bloomed today, a different kind, though.
WIB,
SW

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Livermore, CA(Zone 9b)

i love how fluffy it is!

Los Altos, CA(Zone 9a)

SW: That is a gorgeous daffodill! Soft colors and frilly. The back lighting in your photo shows off the texture.

Chris

San Diego, CA(Zone 10b)

SW, that's very pretty! I didn't expect daffs would come back here, but they did and it was a happy surprise for me!

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San Diego, CA(Zone 10b)

Freesias too....hummm!

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