I received my seeds from Banana Tree and planted the b Arborea seeds. They didn't look any different than the seeds I have from seedsprout.. we will see what pops up ..
Source of B. arborea seed?
Sorry its taken so long to upload the picture as requested.
The seeds on the front left are 'normal' Arborea on the front right BT Arborea seeds.
The seedlings are both BT Arborea seeds at different stages. Not conclusive at this stage I don't think ??
Thanks for posting the photo, Alan. I have a few of the arborea seed from Banana Tree soaking overnight. I'm going to plant them later today. Since your seed is well ahead of mine, will you pleasse keep posting updates on your B. arborea seedlings especially when you can tell if they are arborea or not.
Veronica
Yes, thanks for posting the pic. Look at all them lovely little babies. : )
so where did the blackish looking seeds come from , Alan?
A friend on another Brug. Forum sent them to me.
I have grown some of these this year,I have pods on then (they are self-fertile) but they won't be ready for a couple of months yet.
Alan
Here's a picture of this years Arborea on the right.
The smaller Arborea on the left is Arborea hybrid 'Engelsglockchen'
Alan
Here's a better picture of 'Engelsglockchen'
Dumb question , but why do people want seeds instead of cuttings ?
I have a skunk problem too . I had a gopher problem , but started leaving out cat food in back yard and a little sand box for the cats . They took care of gophers and the skunks stayed away . The city came out and trapped skunks , ferrel cat and a few raccoons . Now the skunks are back . It's probably the fruit trees and having a creek / drainage canal behind the house doesn't help .
Brugmansia arborea are self-fertile and come true from seed. I have never seed cuttings for sale and that could be that the seller of 'arborea' seed doesn't really have an arborea.
Skunks are insectivores and are really only a problem if they are rabid or in an amorous mood, which happens twice a year. Personally, I'd rather have skunks around the yard than grasshoppers.
OK..Alan.. your 'Engelsglockchen' is some particular unknown cross to an arborea.. is that correct
And the Fleur lilac 1 ... or what ever name this particular cross became.. is also some particular unknown coss to an arborea.. is that correct...... I've two cross of these two.. one has fuzzy leaves.. and hasn't bloomed... the other has smooth leaves and bloomed a white similar to EG
and what abou the flowers of these crosses...should they accept and arborea pollen.. how about regular pollen..
Thanks there Alan..
ToNY .. seeds will give neplants ith new characteristics.. shape / color/ heat resistance/ bloom mass or any number of changes in the makeup of either parents..
Yes.. I got rid of my roof top pond.. and I haven't had the racoons back since.. they have an afinity for water.. you might be stuck with your creek there..
this fellow was visiting near by.. one has been here to enjoy some lunch hope the picture reads here..
Gordon gosh he is beautiful! Alan, your pics are awsome, they really look different don't they? BettyDee, I agree, rather have skunks than grasshoppers! Okay so.. we really do not know if the banana tree seeds are aborea then?
Tossing in my two cents worth.My "Arborea" seed arrived Friday.I doubt very much that these are really Arborea.I suppose time will tell.I ordered Sang seed at the same time and those do look like the real thing.I do hope that Alan will post some close up pictures of his leaves as they grow larger.
Thanks , I know / think most plants are kind of true seeds , but the only way to get a true plant is a cutting and then it could be a sport . I think a seed is more likely to be more adaptable to area is is from yhan where plant is from .
In my Google search for on-line sites selling Brugmansias, I noticed a Brug described as "(something) species". Actually, I was searching for the "Audrey Hepburn" which seems to have vanished.
To stay on topic here, is the arborea a species type plant?
I know I am showing my ignorance here, but maybe some of you more experienced Brug guys out there can understand what I mean and perhaps offer some insight as to what "species" means in terms of the Brug world.
Jerry, I found a source of Audrey Hepburn for you. http://ezonlineads.com/MaranathaNursery/brug_catalog.htm
The nuesery is not listed in Dave's WatchDog. I have not purchased from them. If you don't want to take a chance, I have a few very small cuttings I am rooting and I mean small - from 5" to about 8" - that you can have for postage. D-mail me if interested.
B. arborea is a species and is sometimes referred to as B. arborea wildform to distinguish it from the few hybrids that exist.
The best description of Brugmansia species comes from Preissel and Preissel's book Brugmansia and Datura: Angel's Trumpets and Thorn Apples. You can also go to: http://www.abads.net/description_and_identification_o.htm
http://www.abads.net/aboutbrugmansia/aboutbrugmansia.htm
for descriptions.
geez, all this time I've been quietly lusting after b. sanguinea and I've totally overlooked the b. arborea gem, sigh....
Thanks Veronica, I'll send you a D-Mail in regards to the cuttings.
My Google searches also brought up one that caught my eye, "Brug Species Andean - fragrant white ever bloomer - 3-6 feet. I think this one was at Logee's.
Does ever blooming mean it is always in bloom? This would be nice. From what I have studied, the Brug blooms in one or two flushes a year, right?
Another maybe dumb question, but do all Brugs only bloom at night and close up in daylight. Do the blooms remain to open again at night fall? If so about how many days will a given bloom open and close? Generally speaking, of course.
Mine take several days to open all the way on 1st flush .
As it gets warmer it/ they open a little faster .
Mine stay open and last 3 to 8 days - again depending on weather [ hot , dry , windy , humid , rainy , hot days - cool nights - etc ] All influance the flowers as well as watering amount , time and how much food they get .
Each year everything changes - I'm on 10th or 11th flush on Dr susz and 8 or 9 on Jean paskel [ ?spelling ]
My noid double whites only had 4 this year [ last year 6 or 7 ], 2 on rosemounts [ last year 5 ]
Between me and wife , relatives , [ out of town or just feeling sick ] I didn't feed them as much as last year .
Vossner. You can have a few of these seeds I got if you want them. I don't have no cuttings of it. sorry.
thanks Star. I do horrible w/ seeds and would hate for them to be wasted on me but thank you so much for thinking of me. I will keep this thread on my watch list to keep up w/ everybody's progress.
Jerry, Logee's Brugmansia species is incorrectly named, but is accepted by the Brugmansia registry. It is also not a species but a hybrid (That's the confusing bit.). The description says it's an Andean native. The cultivar name is 'Species'. If that doesn't confuse you nothing will!
Brugs bloom in flushes, but the flowers open up over a period of weeks so the flushes tend to overlap a bit and makes it seem as if they are always blooming. To call them everblooming is somewhat of an exaggeration. There may be times, especially in the spring and summer when a few blooms from the last flush are still open and a new flush is starting. In areas where the Brugs die down to the ground, you may see some overlapping during the summer and fall.
Once the buds open, the blooms remain open. Although the bloom skirts on B. suaveolens or heavily influenced by suaveolens by collapse a little during the day, as in this photo, but they pop back up by nighttime.
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/200406/
Tony's already answered the question of how long they stay open.
Nery, I've lusted after B. sanguinea also and even gotten them to grow until the temperatures rise over 85ºF. Then they die, sometimes almost overnight. They can't handle Texas heat.... come to think of it neither can I. LOL! You didn't get back to me about the seed. Ooops, I saw you post after I send mine. I can send you a seedling later.
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Usually, in plants, everblooming means they will bloom throughout the year as oppsed to only blooming in spring or only blooming in fall. Everblooming is not synonomous with always blooming.
From Merriam-Webster: blooming more or less continuously throughout the growing season
From Dictionary.com: in bloom throughout most of the growing months of the year
From Answers.com's Gardener's Dictionary: A term often used to describe a rose that blooms nearly constantly from spring or early summer to fall.
From bloomingdesigns.com: daylilies bloom repeatedly through the summer and may have very little or no time between flushes of bloom. ..
do you think a sanguina can bloom indoors in good light in A/C? I love the looks of them.. and I also got some seeds..
Gordon
Engelsglockchen is an Arborea hybrid, (Arborea x ?) Fleur lilac, can't decide (lack of information) what this is. Engelsglockchen has very furry leaves,is short growing, nice fragarence and a prolific bloomer.(Also very important to me is its not self-fertile,I know if I get a pod,its with my pollen)
If you can keep the temps. below high 70's (how I wish I had those temps. at the moment ! ) Sanguinea will be just fine indoors, if provided with enough light.
You guys with the high temps would be better off looking for 'Flava' crosses (Arborea x Sanguinea) which if we keep breeding in the right direction will be 'heat tolerant'
The ball is rolling !!
Alan
Just contridicting myself here !! I have this Sanguinea 'Oro Verde'
which is a 'wildform / discovered' variegated Sanguinea that (for me) appears to be more heat tolerant than my other Sangs. but is less cold tolerant, more testing required/ongoing.
Just can't get a dammed cutting to root !!
Alan
Sorry for going 'way of thread' here !
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Alan, you HAVE to show a photo of the leaves. I love variegated plants! I bet the color contract between the variegated leaves and the gold/yellow blooms is a fantastic sight to behold. Have you tried air layering? or grafting?
Hi Veronica
I have tried :- Air Layering,Aeroponics,Soil, Plunged in Mother pot,Pure perlite etc.
I have not tried grafting, never seem to have suitable stock at the same time(maybe be thats just an excuse LOL)
The leaves are not showing much variegation at present because of lack of sunlight, I'll see if I can find a section worth photographing.
The leaves are increadably soft and furry, like velvet.
I love this plant :-)
Alan
Okay Allen, so I can plant these sanguina seeds, and try to make them an indoor plant.. ( I have lots of light and can control the temps) right? you mentioned flava.. what is a flava exactly and how does one get a flava to cross with a sanguina? ( origin , I mean)
Hi Debra
Yea, go for it with the Sangs. what have you got to lose?
A few seeds and time! Keep them cool and bright and see how you do :-)
Flava is an Arborea x Sanguinea.
I think I understand your question, Because Arborea/Sanguinea/Flava and Vulcanicola are all in the same Brug. group, they are all receptive to each others pollen.
Alan
Thanks, Alan.. I was holding off on planting those, and was going to send them somewhere up north if it woould be a lost cause here.. I just have so much room down here in the basement and such good light and all.. so I am going to plant some of those..
I am almost sure the arborea seeds are not .. LOL
Quick update on the BT seeds
My friend who sent me the BTree Arborea seeds, who grow's zillions of Brugs and is an expert ! has just e-mailed me and she has lots of different Arborea seeds reckons she is 95% certain they are Arborea seedlings.
Fingers crossed she's correct, I trust her assesment.
Alan
Alan,
Thanks for that latest bit of information. I'll keep my fingers crossed also.
Veronica
That great news Allan!!!!! : ) Liek I said, I usually have had good luck with everything from Bt being right on.