Does anyone know of a reliable source of B. arborea seed? I lost a plant I had grown from seed Kell sent me a few years ago. Most of what I have seen on sale are NOT arborea. I'm also leery of buying seed from sellers that use the same photo taken off the internet. I would gladly pay postage if you have extra seed.
Source of B. arborea seed?
Me too Veronica..count me in on your search for them.... let us hear what you come up for the real deal..
Hi,I was bored so I looked a little maybe these may help.
http://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=475814
http://www.turtlegabys-tropical-oasis.com/viewitem.php/TurtlegabysTropicalOasis/pd343404/BRUGMANSIA_ARBOREA_Tree_Angel_s_trumpet
http://www.tradewindsfruit.com/angels_trumpet_arborea.htm
http://www.raingardens.com/seedpage/datura.htm
http://toptropicals.com/catalog/uid/brugmansia_arborea.htm
http://www.b-and-t-world-seeds.com/carth.asp?species=Brugmansia%20arborea&sref=432
http://www.bouncingbearbotanicals.com/brugmansiatree-datura-p-106.html
http://www.seedman.com/datura.htm
http://seeds.graines.be/c8-Seeds-Datura-and-Digitalis.html
Good luck!
synda, thank you for taking the time to look. I wish I could say "Voila, I've found them, but I'm afraid you've come up with ones I've seen before. I've spent a lot of time on the Internet looking at different websites. Most sites use the same photo as the first two sites given above. The "original' photo shows an entire tree. I can't remember where I saw the original photo, but all the rest are cropped versions of that photo. No credit is given for use of the photo. I just don't know if I would be getting the true arborea from these sellers. I was hoping to find out where those individuals growing the true arborea bought their seed.
The first two site use that same photo I mentioned. The photo does not show a B. arborea. You can see the corolla neck on some of the more clearly visible flowers.
The third site describes the flowers as being close to a foot long. Looking at the photo, the calx doesn't come down far enough. The fruit is described as skinny.
Raingardens doesn't include a photo. Flowers are said to be 6 - 9. Too long.
Bouncing Bear Botanicals shows the photo of a pinkish hybrid of some sort. Photo is too small to see much detail, but definitely not B. arborea.
TopTropicals shows a large photo of a versicolor and smaller photos of what look like suaveolens.
B & T - not arborea
Seedman has the correct description, but if the photo is supposed to be an indication of what they are selling, then the seeds are not that of arborea.
Seeds.graines.be doesn't have all it's facts correct. Although it describes the flowers as creamy white, it shows a photo of what looks like a pale Isabella.
Again, thank you.
Gordon, if I find a source, I'll share with you.
Betty
Try this:- http://www.banana-tree.com/Product_Detail~category~19~Product_ID~18929.cfm
I grow these !
Alan
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Thanks for the information Alan. I've placed my order.
I love that page they send you to after checkout."We 100% did get your order etc".I know just exactly where they are coming from.Best laugh I have had all day.
Sorry, I just saw this. I usually have seeds. I need to look up into the tree to see if there are any pods up there. Some animal seems to be taking them. I wonder if they get high. You know a skunk that lives under my porch where this tree towers over, has come into my house twice now in the daytime. I wonder if he is the one eating them and is getting disoriented.
Anyway, I want to start a few myself so I hope I can find a pod or 2. Usually they fall off unlike other brug pods and I find them on the ground.
I found a ripe pod that had just fallen but those seeds are so cheap and plentiful on the site that Alan shared, you could get a bunch for just about nothing! They must have some big arboreas to supply so many seeds for so little.
thanks for the link, I have gotten me some! YAY!
Kell, I know it's not funny, but I had to laugh at your story about the skunk. I hope it got out without leaving its scent behind. Do you have a cat door? We installed one on the barn door to give our cat access to a warm safe place. The cat, who later became an indoor cat only, refused to use it, but before we locked it, we had a lot of unwanted visitors in the barn.
I was surprised the arborea seed was so cheap. I ended up buying a banana pup to make the $15.00 limit.
I was hysterical each time it came in. Thank God no smell! I would think you would have to move out. I had left the sliding glass doors open so in it came. You would think I would learn. I didn't. Today I was in and out all day long and left them open too.
I was thinking you could have an arborea farm for so cheap. $28 for 1000 arborea trees. LOL. Think of the fragrance from all of those, enough to counteract any skunk!
It's a good thing you have a single skunk. Skunks get amorous twice a year and their courting perfume lingers for what seems like hours. That arborea tree farm would have to be gigantic to counteract a skunk in love!
Lets not tell them how cheap we think their seeds are. !! LOL
Alan
Alan, I wonder if anyone is growing these arboreas in such mass amounts to warrant such seed amounts for sale. I never seen them in nurseries here. Though that link might be in the UK, I didn't look. I truly love my arborea. I still remember the day years ago when Susie (Calalilly) sent it to me and she had it marked true Arborea. I thought I had died and gone to heaven. It loves my climate here. Doesn't even get frost bitten if I get frost where as my other brugs can suffer.
I wish I could tell them how many mis-spells there are on that last page.. oh well, as long as we get our seeds!
If anyone else gets some, could you get an extra pack of them for me? I would be happy to pay shipping twice if I know they're the real thing. I can't justify $15 worth of other seeds & I don't grow bananas.
Linda
Kell
A friend of mine in the US ordered mine for me, she has had the Arborea seeds from them for the last couple of years.We joined at 500 this year !
Mine are just germinating from the first sowing.
Alan
Well, I received the B. arborea seeds I ordered from the Banana Tree. I suspect they are not B. arborea. I remember reading that B. arborea has big seeds. These seeds are the same size or slightly smaller than the seeds from aurea group crosses I've purchased before. I'd post a photo, but my camera isn't working.
The seeds without the cork are ~ 3/16" long.
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Gee Alan, why do you want so many? Do you sell them?
Veronica, who said they were so big? I had never heard that. Mine are not big. I have a few left over from the fresh ones if you want them. I am sending some out tomorrow. I have a bunch of older seeds too. I would say their claim to fame is that they are very dark, black!
I am too lazy to take a better pic, sorry!
You have to be careful when buying Arborea seeds. I've been biten several times. I think Arborea also means tree or that's what someone told me. Definately beware of sellers on Ebay. It all goes back to "Know your seller." My Arborea seeds weren't any larger than any other Brug seeds, Bettydee.
I have the first few seedlings through from these seeds and they have got 'furry' leaves, so hopefully the are Arborea's.
Kell
It was / is my intention to sell seedlings, we'll see?
I have to try to recoup some of my outlay, my wife thinks AKA and Gommers are European Banks that I keep sending money to !! LOL
Alan
Kell,
I tried to send a reply last night, but something happened to Dave's.
The cork on these seeds is a pale tan. I've read they are dark brown. In the PlantFiles for B. arborea, Poppysue says they are three sided. I can't say these seeds are three sided. Preissel says they are large, and gives a size, but it must be a typo because they claim the seeds are 4-1/2 X 3 in. Shoot! I can't find the source claiming B. arborea seeds are the largest. Compared to a penny, the seeds I received are less than half the size of the Lincoln Memorial building. Your seeds are almost the same size.
I've toned down my claim about the seeds, but really think these are not arborea. Please send me those extra seeds. I'll pay postage. I felt so bad when the plants, I grew from arborea seed you sent me ages ago, died last year.
I will grow some from the seeds I bought and see what they turn out to be. I had promised to share the seeds I bought with two others. I don't know if they will still want what I have.
Alan, will you take a photo of the seeds you received from Banana Tree so I can compare with what I received? Do the seedlings look like arborea?
The seed from the original Ida,from Tonny were very large.Larger than a nickle.The seed from the Ida seedlings that I now have are much smaller and are not black but /brown tan like other brug seed.
Bettydee,if you plant those seed,and they germinate,the leaves are very distinctive.Easy to tell from regular brugs but I'm sure you know that.
Thanks, JT.
So arborea hybrids bear smaller seeds! That makes it harder to tell wildform arborea seed from fake or hybrid arborea seed just by looking at the seed. So if a person is dooped, you won't know for weeks that you have. Are the first true leaves fuzzy?
I am going to soak a few tonight and plant them tomorrow.
Ada, thanks for the heads up. I learned to distrust some of the sellers on eBay the hard way.
The downline Arboreas are seedlings,not hybrids.I am not sure whether Ida was a hybrid or just one of Tonny's selections.Maybe he will stop by and add to the discussion.I do remember that he sent me 3 large cuttings which I rooted and gave one to Tig and one to Susie at one of the first swaps we had.If there is an original Ida around it will be from a cutting from one of those three.One of the hurricanes killed my original.
I will get a picture of the leaves(two types) and post them up.
I had great trouble last night also on Daves trying to upload pics to PF. I thought it was AOL. I hate AOL! LOL! Do not feel bad on my account that your arboreas died, Veronica. I kill more plants than I grow. LOL So true!
As I recall Sue (Poppysue) had a hybrid arborea that was really pretty. I wish the search function was working. I use it so much I hate when it is down. I will ask her what she remembers about hers. She is so knowledgeable!
My seeds are 3 sided but I checked and a lot of my brug seeds I have are 3 sided. You know the pod is very distinctive, a round fuzz ball. I love them. Well I have to ask Susie (Calalily) now to see if mine is from Ida via GTS. Susie sent it to me years ago and said it was "true Arborea." I have gotten so much enjoyment from it since! I always thought it was the species and not a hybrid because it is self fertile. I can still remember the thrill when I first saw it.
I just looked at Tonny's entry to Ida PF and his pod is different than mine. http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/2811/
Disregard the last 6 pics under this entry which do not belong there.
Tonny's Ida leaves are also huge, mine are more in proportion to the flower size.
I love a mystery! LOL
HMMMM?????
Here are the two types of leaves on my two seedlings.They have very light fuzz..It's hard to tell from a picture but the leaves are distinctive enough that you could pick out Arborea from across a room full of brugs.Something about the color and veining.
I hate to say that I just planted a few Arborea seeds and didn't pay any attention as to whether they were different from any of my other seeds. Too much to do and not enough time. LOL These seeds were Monika's.
Bettydee, I think most of us have learned a lesson at some time or other on Ebay.
I haven't come across the term downline. Is it the same as inline, such as inline breeding? I'm trying to get a few things about arboreas straight in my mind. So as long as the plants are still classified as arborea, even with slight differences, they are not considered hybids? And for how long are they considered a seedling? I noticed Tonny's Ida doesn't produce round seedpods like the ones produced by the wildform arborea.
Bettydee,I use the term downline to refer to seedlings from a certain parent and seedlings from the seedlings etc.In this case(Arborea)no special crossing is done since the plant is self fertil.To me,seedlings are always seedlings unless a special one is different enough to warrant a name and registration.I think a better term,line breeding, might be borrowed from animal breeders.
That's where I got the term 'inline' breeding. We raise Angus cattle, both commercial and registered. Thank you for explaining the term. I was beginning to think maybe I'd slept through my botany classes so long ago.
I got my seeds in today. I got some all they had. My B x atborea is like a light tan color. The B suaveolens Pink is a medium tan and the B. sanguinea red Datura are like warm brown/chocolate color.
If B. x arborea is supposed to be a dark black. that not we got for sure Betty.
I wonder if I write off to them if they would be able to show pics of where the seed came from?
Let me know what they say.
Let me know to please.
I hope I haven't lead you all on a Bum Steer :-(
Alan
Alan. Even if they not the right seed. Don't worry Alan, they brug seed. I gonna try and sprout them all. They brug seed, they look healthy and they uniform in size and color. Can't ask to much more from seed other than hopefulyl you cna get them to germinate. I am no good at identification yet, being so new to them, but sure their alot of experienced folks here that might be able too once they going and growing.
Betty... will probably be monday before I email them, but will let ya know what they say. I have bought lots of seed over the years from this company and have nevr had a problem so far with not havign proper identification. So I guess we will see.
I am a bit confused though. On the B. sanguinea "Red Datura", is the Red Datura a cultivar registered name or just somethign they have wrote there on the label for identification?
Brugmansias have been classified and reclassified as either Datura or Brugmansia. This reclassification has been going on since Linnaeus, in 1753, first named both Angel's Trumpets and Thorn Apples as being in the same genus Datura based on a drawing from 1714. In 1805, C H Persoon, renamed all the varieties that grew into trees and lived for several years into the genus Brugmansia. This was complicated by C. L. Blume, who used Brugmansia incorrectly to refer to a different group of plants. The naming and renaming went back and forth until 1973, when T. E. Lockwood compared the morphological characteristics between the two groups of plant in the genus and decided that based on these characteristics the shrubby group should be reclassified as Brugmansias. Based on his paper, most plant lexica used the term Brugmansia when referring to this group of plants. I got the history information from
Preissel & Pressel's Brugmansia and Datura: Angel's Trumpets and Thorn Apples.
Some people still lump Brugmansias in with the Daturas. That's where the term Red Datura comes from. The accepted name is Brugmansia sanguinea.
Thank you Betty. Appreciate learning that. So much to learn for sure with these brugs. It really gets confusing sometimes. At least I know what to mark my tags for sure. : )
Forgot to say that I picke dup extra seed of My B x atborea ... B suaveolens Pink.... and B. sanguinea. If anybody wants a couple of seeds to grow out a few. dmail me and will send em to ya.