Ah well, there goes my theory....
Eggsplorer II: Mission SMORE
Commander Moxon notices it is now 45 minutes until I can drive home and check on pipped egg....or maybe eggs by now....
Developing? Developing a superiority complex? I am stunned. Developing? Somebody has obviously not been paying attention.
You guys are hilarious. Good thing I have an empty bladder ; 0 )
Oh dear, should she have said "well developed" ?? Nothing to do with Broca's I'm guessing...
Commander Moxon reporting emergency. Eggs pipped with blood around opening. This is non standard and only second hatch. Did not experience in first hatch. Please advise promptly, pictures forthcoming momentarily.
Also very far down on side - not at normal top region. These are EE eggs, not the millie.
Close up. Do I intervene? I can hear faint peeping and maybe knocking on egg but not in broken region.
I'm not experienced, but if it's talking I'd be inclined to give it air where its head is.
See that's what I was wondering, if I should make a small hole in the air cell. These holes are NOT in the air cell in either egg.
I wouldn't interfer. It is what happens when the veins in the membrane haven't clamped down. It may stop on its own--but if you interfer you will cause the same problem. When you help one hatch it will bleed, so you have to wait a few minutes for the blood vessel to stop and then start again. So a limited amount of bleeding is not critical.
URGGGHHH.....any more opinions! Commander Moxon super stressed out....
Thanks Catscan. What about the lack of air in the air cell where the head is? Why are they pipped in the wrong place?
It is too late to reorient them--they do that in the last three days. Maybe the big end should have been more elevated?
Oh dear, so worried....so worried.....so do I just leave them overnight like that? Do I make a tiny "helpful" pip in the air cell area? How could that hurt? Isn't it more likely to help?
Feel for ya' Commander. If it were a real mission you could fix it up with duct tape
Oh Grownut... a sleepless night is in store, I am sure. I hardly feel like a competent Commander now....
If they would just start zipping, I would feel better...
DH stole my 'puter, but sending you good thoughts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>zot!
The problem seems to be that the membrane blood supply hasn't shut down. That usually happens gradually as the chick pecks and stretches it. They orient themselves during the last three days so their heads are at the highest point (large end with the air cell) then break through the top internal membrane into the air cell and begin breaking through first the membrane then the shell (actually sometimes they seem to crack the shell before they break the membrane because the latter is more flexible). If the membrane veins are still flowing, anywhere you break in will cause more bleeding. If you can hear peeping, then someone has made it to the air cell. I would wait. When I helped hatches it always caused a little bleeding--they can stand that. But if you rush in before they are ready you could cause major hemorrhages and they would bleed to death. You can't just open the egg and remove them. So frustrating.
This message was edited Sep 17, 2008 10:49 PM
It's dead. I checked the egg again and there was no more movement, no peep, and no heartbeat type motion at the hole like there was before. I opened it. It was dead already. It had a big chunk of yolk on it's bottom end, like a big bulge. Looked like it never absorbed it. Almost like it was pipped way early. Weird.
Commander Moxon very sad. Hoping that the other EE eggs or millie or silkie will be OK.
I'm so sorry! I have never seen the bleeding before--but I have had several chicks who started pipping then stopped and when I opened the shell after making sure they were dead, I found the chick had not absorbed the yolk. It hurts. But the rest will probably be perfectly normal.
I hope so - there is this other one with the pip in the same place and blood as well, but it still appears to have a heartbeat so I will hope. The millie egg is pipped in the usual place but no further action on it since this morning. Same size of pip. Sometimes they take a long time. First bantam I ever hatched. Well, not hatched yet I guess. These were my first purchased-by-mail eggs. Always a risk. Kinda makes one feel helpless though. I think maybe they hadn't oriented properly.
Somebody on BYC just told me all my eggs should be on their side for hatching, and not with the large end up. Is this correct? I didn't know this....
Bantam eggs tend to be round and they have a reputation for difficult hatches for that reason--maybe it isn't as clear internally where they should orient?
Crossed.
No that is not correct. If they are on their sides on a flat surface they will naturally orient with the big end a little higher which is all they need--so it is true that they will hatch if they are on their side. But many people hatch them with the big end straight up--in fact that is how my incubator's egg turner orients them.
Well I think the bantam (millie) is normally oriented because the pip is in the air cell. The EE eggs are standards. But I hope the millie will be OK. I didn't know bantams were hard to hatch. Groan....
Oh good, that's what I thought. I figured maybe I was being an idiot and had caused this problem by not setting my eggs on their side, but I couldn't remember having read that anywhere. My egg turner in the LG is the same. My RCom20 is all eggs on their side.
Bantams can be hard because of their roundness--but I had my best hatch ever with shipped Nankin eggs--so don't despair.
Just saw there's a new subscriber going by the name of katscan in Washington. Hmmm....I think they're sorta stealing your moniker.
Alright, I guess I'll hit the hay and hope for the best. Maybe in the morning I will have a surprise waiting for me if I am lucky. Thanks for your help, I'm glad somebody was online to talk me through this. :-)
I am actually the thief. She is the real Katscan---I have many identities.
Just remember--they know more about hatching than you do:0)
Ooooh....like a secret agent kind of thing. How exciting.
Commander, sorry to here about the dead life form. Keep the faith and the mission will be a siccess.
Williams
Over
WHEW! iread through this holding my breath. sorry for the dead chick. i wanted to say HALT! DON'T.
likely, with my experience in shipped eggs, there was a tremulous air cell, and the chick pipped on the side because that is where the air was. had their not been an air cell on that spot, you would not have heard peeping, it would have drowned.
but in this case, it's awkward position that it took on in order to get the air crammed it in such a way as to prevent further absorption of the yolk, which actually occurs DURING pipping.
hope you hav esome fluffies in teh AM!
btw, have to agreed with cat, she did mean 'no, your demotion!' that is just how she talks. she was referring to your, possessive of you, demotion, as opposed to ordering you to BE demoted, which she KNOWS she has no authority to order a demotion, but can refer to the fact that someone's behaviot may have the end result of being demoted.
oh, i digress. good night.
Thank you tf. As usual your good sense and level headed assessment of the situation has put all doubt to rest.
Oh, and I think you are right about what happend to the chick as well.
commander hoping to join a small shuttle to the mother ship
i have one egg that is due to hatch anyday the mother broke the air sel side but did not punctre anything so i am hacthing it in her place
TF---That would make more sense than either Broca's or grammar. I can believe THAT of her...If so though, I'm probably in huge trouble with her. I HATE getting suckered in to misconstructions. She must too.....oops. More jelly donuuuuts!
How's the 'bator crew, Claire? Ummmmeeerrrr, I mean, Good Morning Commander!
This message was edited Sep 18, 2008 6:06 AM
morning luitentent. private jordan checking in
Good morning various ground crews, this is Commander Moxon.
We are pleased to report a successful hatching. Despite sadness of last night's loss, we rejoice at this morning's new life. Ground crew encouraged to welcome "Nilla" to the world. Head shot included for purposes of Operative TF, who is working in a covert unit on Project CF. No questions - this is a "need to know" basis only. Operative TF provided excellent information and should have her fill of jelly donuts. And thank you for clearing up Major Catscan's oops. The Major can also have her fill of jelly donuts.
Commander Josh - please prepare your shuttle for liftoff.
Remaining egg with side puncture that showed blood is now tapping in normal air cell position. This is a positive sign, I believe. Will hope for the best.
Silkie is pipped. We have further rejoicing among shuttle crew.
Moxon over.
