Morning glory seed question

Townsville, Australia(Zone 10a)

Tecoma Bells is a weed here but alas I have one in the front garden, I cut it down so it is more of a shrub that a tree,.I will go and take a pic.

Hibiscus and Ixora were already in the garden as was the tecoma. The plants that you mentioned that are common there are just about in every second garden here boring.

I love vines as well, have the brug,snail vine, garlic vine, heaps of mgs and the passiflora as well, have tons of salvias and a few different ruellias (have a soft spot for these) and lots of bits and pieces and the proverbial batplant.

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Toronto, ON(Zone 5b)

he's not an angel. He's the most innocent looking one out of my three doxies. He can make Mr. Magoo, the biggest one cry/whine and annoys the booger out of Dausch. lol but yes he's too cute to be mad at LOL. Well, any pets are too cute to be mad at, I can't discipline them properly.

Hopefully my vines will grow well despite the hours of sunshine and its steady decline as we approach fall here..nothing will stop me muahahahah >=D *hopefully*
clematis vines are so popular here, very hardy. But the chipmunk living under our deck likes to chomp on the lower stems though. Mom loves clematis vines, before when we were avid gardeners (when she really took care of her garden, before the divorce) her white clematis blooms were as big as my head; they were very BIG!

3 stooges; Mr. Magoo, Dausch and Linus aka Hoover the Vaccuum.

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Toronto, ON(Zone 5b)

a WEED?!!! lol our weeds here are dandelioins. That's one beautiful weed lol

Townsville, Australia(Zone 10a)

Alas no dandelions here, heaps in Brisbane where my mum lives, I asked her what they were and she told me a dandelion and that it is a weed, had a ball picking the flowers and giving them to her,needless to say she didnt like them:)

(Becky) in Sebastian, FL(Zone 10a)

evr - Cute family of doxies! oooh ... a clematis flower the size of your head ... sounds like a beaut! I am experimenting with clematis to see how well they will grow here in this heat. So far, so good! :-) I have some Autumn Clematis that has been growing in pot for a year. It has gone wild now. I have been warned though about that one! It puts out lots of volunteers from seeds. Though mine has yet to blooms. I traded for it because I heard the blooms smell like vanilla.

Annette - Yes, I have heard Tecoma Stans referred to as a weed, too ... because it makes so many seeds. I just cut the pods off after it blooms. That pretty much takes care of the chance of volunteers. I love my bush! Those flowers are so bright and cheery! Plumbago is considered a weed too. LOL! Those are weeds that I just happen to like! LOL!

Townsville, Australia(Zone 10a)

I will be definately cutting the seedpods of, thnaks for the tip, one persons treasure is another person's weed:)

Toronto, ON(Zone 5b)

Becky, I'll give you some of my clematis seeds, if they seed; I'm not sure if they're hybrids, or fertile, you can try them if you want. I wish I could send you cuttings, but I can't -_-

One of the smaller blooms about 8 years ago... Been in our garden for about 12 years and still going. We haven't been keeping up with them for the last 5 years and I've pruned them heavily this year which was a big no no during early spring. Next year they should come out nicely, along with the other purple and red blooms. TOO MUCH clematis here in Canada-_-, though I haven't hunted for the more uncommong cultivars though...I haven't seen one that has really caught my attention.

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Toronto, ON(Zone 5b)

oo and dandelions we use to play with them when I was in grade school. We would blow on the seeds and some people will scold at us because they're allergic to it -_-. I used to always see them on Children's encyclopedias with all the fancy illustration/drawing. It looked cool to me because I haven't seen one when I lived in the tropics. I was too fascinated by them when we migrated here in the north lol.

(Becky) in Sebastian, FL(Zone 10a)

evr - Oh my! Isn't that a lovely Clematis bloom!!!! Wow! I'd love a few seeds if it produces them! Keep me in mind for that! :-) LOL about the Dandelions! I used to do the same thing ... but we would wish for something when we blew them! LOL!

Toronto, ON(Zone 5b)

Just an ethical question: let's just say a person received seeds that were commercially grown from a trade. And then that person germinates that seeds which in turn produces more seeds. Is it okay for them to SELL those seeds? I know it's kinda weird to get seeds that were hybridized by a gardener (but this new hybrid is not registered) and then grow them and then sell them..I believe that the gardener who hybridized this should have the right to sell their work etc. But what about known cultivars like atsuki no mai or the normal picotees etc?

Eliz

(Becky) in Sebastian, FL(Zone 10a)

Eliz - Are you saying that a cross that someone (a gardener) hybridized is now being sold commercially? Or are you asking is it okay to sell seeds that were purchased commercially, grown, and then seeds were collected? Since there is no patent on MGs (that I am aware of), I don't think there is much claim to any cultivar of MG. And if you look at all the MG seeds sold on ebay and DG Market Place alone not to mention commercial sellers, well I'd have to say ... if it looks like there is a buck to be made ...



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Townsville, Australia(Zone 10a)

Than make it:)))

Toronto, ON(Zone 5b)

Well I haven't seen a cross that someone hybridized now being sold commercially, but on ebay I do see alot and other online garden stores. Like I know for orchids it's such a big deal for patenting hybridization. But yes, I'm also asking about buying the seeds commercially, then growing it, and then selling the seeds it produces. I think this is an acceptable practice no?

But I'm also concerned about the work of those who hybridized their plants, well I'm not really sure if they care and such.

Becky, the seeds of the clematis are ripening btw!!!! hehehe I'll grow some myself when they're ready and see what happens.

(Becky) in Sebastian, FL(Zone 10a)

evr - Since I don't sell and am not a "for profit grower", I feel I can enjoy any and all seeds that I not only grow for myself, but any seed trades. I think if I was selling seeds for a particular cultivar, I'd feel obligated to guarantee that those seeds would grow true. I know folks who have bought expensive seeds on ebay and did not get what they thought they were getting. Sometimes it's a costly disappointment. I've talked with many folks who will no longer purchase from ebay. I imagine that the DG Market could produce some disappointments, too. Where money is involved, so is accountability. Even in seed trades, people can become disillusioned with trading if they get seeds that don't germinate (because they are old and no longer viable) or turn out to be a totally different plant or I've even gotten dried petals and no seeds in some trades because some folks don't know what the seeds look like. But I personally am willing to take the chance with trades, whereas spending $$ for seeds with no guarantee is not something I can personally afford. I do purchase seeds from reputable sellers.

Oh cool! I have never grown Clematis from seeds. Have you? If so, do they need cold stratification to germinate? The Clematis that I am growing came from tiny starts (possibly volunteers) that I traded for. All of them that I have came from up North where there are winters.

Toronto, ON(Zone 5b)

Yes that's why I opt for the cheaper ones and really think about buying the expensive kinds. I wouldn't want to spend so much and have high expectations but at the end, I'll feel bad because you know *pfft*.

I enjoy trading and seeing new plants, I'm really curious as to how they'll turn out. I think they're all beautiful no matter how they turn out (providing they germinate heh). I'm thinking of collecting both from trades and from purchases and watch them grow. Even hybrids, I like them all

Becky, regarding your hybrid, I want to do some statistical genetics on it :). I want to see if all offsprings will be identical or if they have any differences. and about the clematis germination, I found a site about a year ago when I was meaning to sow them. But I never got to :/.
http://www.bcollingwood.com/
http://www.bcollingwood.com/seed.htm
http://www.bcollingwood.com/Germination.htm#GERMINATION%20DATA

This site has alot of pictures and I think good info re: clematis from seeds. Just have to sort through the info. Not actually sure if you need cold stratification for them, I think I'll need to go find the answer to this question soon..

(Becky) in Sebastian, FL(Zone 10a)

Thanks, Eliz! I will check out those links you listed and see if I can't find out about germinating clematis seeds.

I can already tell you that my hybrid will not likely produce identical vines from any of it's seeds, because they had to be crossed due to low pollen production. Almost all of the Youjiro (which is a dominate gene in Yaguruma) hybrids that I have grown have had that problem. I am not sure why. Whether it is specific to my vines (and growing conditions) or if this is a common issue with vines that have that gene. But feel free to do any experimenting or statistical analysis that you like on the LYK hybrid. Perhaps you will share what you find out with me and everyone here! :-) I would be interested in the outcome!

Toronto, ON(Zone 5b)

YES of course I will share! lol I'm getting so giddy.

I'm not expecting an identical carbon copy of you LYK. Want to see the variations on it, but it'll be cool to have vines like yours; different coloured ones on one vine :). I've read that somewhere too that Youjiro series have some kind of variant in it. Might have to do with one gene affecting many factors or the other way around. There's alot to consider and to actually note down the molecular genetics of each plants, would be costly and thus would not be fun lol.

(Becky) in Sebastian, FL(Zone 10a)

LOL! I hear ya! Too bad we don't have access to a free laboratory where we could have the genetics pinpointed. :-) Instead we get to do it the old fashion way ... growing seed after seed to see what variations we may get! Much more fun! :-) :-) :-)

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