For anyone who got some of the Brug seeds from me, I wanted to let you know that Jaye (Heavenscape) found out that they were already a named cross. They were named "Flirtation". See near the bottom of this site link:
http://www.countrygdn.com/catalog3.html
Thanks Jaye!
And she told me that some of them have already sprouted! YAY! :-)
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Brug seeds ...
Becky
Does that mean when the ones I got from you grow Big & Tall - and Bloom Beautifully - I can't name them? :)
Mike
*Skyla sending kisses or slobbers! Not sure which! :)
Flirtation is a name that I'll love and cheerish! Becky, I've two of those babies that germinated a week or so ago. Time to pass out the cigars!!!
Kim
Mike - Nope, it looks like ya can't name them if they've already been named. Sorry.
Correction: It was Heavenscape, not Heavenscent who clued me in! Sorry about that!!!
Thanks Becky, for sharing the news, and your generosity of sharing the seeds of such beauty. May your garden be as beautiful as the hands that sow them.
Kim
Becky
Darnit! lol! I'll just name them ALL Becky! :)
Mike
The seeds may have come from "Flirtation" but they would have had to have been crossed with something else to get seeds ...each seed will be something different (perhaps very similar ...but not the same as it's mummy or daddy) so look forward to finding out what treasures you have there and I am sure they will be beautiful but they won't be "Flirtation"
Happy gardening and congratulations on the sprouts ...a lovely Easter gift :)
chrissy
Mike - You can "nickname" them ANYTHING your heart desires! ("Becky" sounds good! LOL!)
Chrissy - My cross that produced the seeds was Pink Beauty (mother brug) and Ecuador Pink (father brug). Apparently, someone beat me to this new cross and named it "Flirtation". Drat!!!!
Y'all will have to post photos or d-mail me photos of them, especially when they bloom! The photo of the blooms on that website look very pretty! Both parent plants are gorgeous! :-)
I think there is some real confusion here. Just because one plant from this cross has been named does not mean that you can not name others. Every seed will produce a different plant even if they look identical. Sam, Peanut and Pink Smitty all came from the same cross and even the same pod. These new seedlings can be named by the seedling parent if they have the approval of the hybridizer and are a gift. If the seeds are bought naming is up to the seedling parent but credit should be given to the hybridizer for the cross.
kenboy
This is very interesting! So the only way to get a true named Brug is from a cutting, not seeds?
So what is the process to have the opportunity to name a cross from seed?
If you get a really attractive one ...you submit it somewhere for testing I think and if it is a good enough one you get to name it,also they have to make sure it is not a name already registered. While it just lives in your own place you can call it by any "nickname" you want, but it's only a nickname aka NOID.I think????
beckygardener,
Unofficial name: You can give a seedling any name or nickname you wish. The encouragement is that you keep the nickname to yourself, something many e-Bay sellers do not do. If you share a cutting from that plant with others, you are encouraged to call it a NOID, as chrissy states, It helps avoid confusing it with registered Brugs.
Official registry of a new Brug: There are codes you have to adhere to in naming a new Brug. This is where it gets a little hazy for me. I'm not sure whether there is one central registry or two. There are two Brugmansia groups. Because squabbles between the two groups has spilled over onto Dave's, discussing them is a no-no. Both groups have links that help answer your question, but basically the new Brug must be sufficiently different and an improvement over other varieties. Both groups have cultivar lists of registered names (There is a code for naming,) in use so there is no duplication of names. I hope this helps answer you question
Veronica
http://www.abads.net/Registry/registryfaq.htm
http://www.brugmansia.us/registrydata/
Thanks Chrissy and Veronica! Oops! I didn't realize that I had touched on a taboo topic here.
Veronica - Thanks for the 2 links! Extremely interesting information.
So let me get this straight ... each Brug grown from seed has the possibility to be a new and unique plant, different than any other plant? And the only way to get a geniune named cultivar is through a branch cutting from the named tree (which is then grown into another tree)?
I won't ask any more information after this in case I'm touching on a taboo subject.
Thank you Chrissy!
I was reading the two links listed by Veronica and found them to be just fascinating! The tutorials on propagating, germinating seeds, and growing seedlings is excellent! I am a visual person and found the pictorial information to be very, very useful! Thanks again for sharing those sites with me.
This forum needs a sticky thread! Has anyone thought about creating one? Someone should!
Here is a photo of the "mother" brug from the seeds I am sharing (with those interested) She is called Pink Beauty and a beauty she IS!!! She was a cutting that I rooted and have been growing in a pot since November. I finally put her in the ground this week. Was afraid if we got an usual cold freeze she would die. It's definitely warm enough to plant her outside now! I shall see how she does. I have another Brug that I also just planted about 20 feet from her. That Brug is called Whiskers. Got it at the same time as Pink Beauty and Ecuador Pink. All branch cuttings from DonnaB. I have heard that once they are planted into the ground, they usually take off if they are healthy plants to begin with.
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Pink Beauty is truly a beauty, and gosh, she looks so healthy! Congrats Becky.
Kim
Becky, in your zone, she should grow like crazy. It's amazing how much difference a few zones can make. Here I have to keep some in pots because they may not make it over winter. The hardier ones die down to the ground, but come back in spring from the root stem.
Betty you were wondering about the difference between the two registries. Without getting into details, I'll just say that the registries don't really matter in respect to proper naming rights. It's all about whether or not a name is publicly published in print (not on the net), that is what really establishes a name so that no one else may use it. So there is really no need for any competition between forums on that matter.
There is one world-wide umbrella organization that manages names for all genera of cultivated plants, the International Society for Horticultural Science (ISHS). For each genus, they appoint one group to help assist in naming and keeping track of those names, called an International Cultivar Registration Authority (ICRA).
Since I'm the Registrar for the ICRA for Brugmansia, it's my job to help you in any way I can to get those names published, whether through someone else, or I can publish them for you. You can always contact me if you have any questions about getting a name established.
Becky it's a good idea to wait to name a new cultivar until you've been through a couple seasons of blooms and also distributed it around the country to a few testers (friends) to see how it does in other climates. You may find good info about it that may contribute to the name or may verify for you that this one is really a keeper. Until you formally name it, it's a good idea to use some kind of code name, such as PBXEP01-03/21/08 or something like that has the info you need to keep track of.
Kenboy had good points up above about being courteous to the original hybridizer when it comes time to decide the name, and he was exactly right that each seed may be named differently as long as it has been deemed worthy & unique by you.
Good luck growing them all out! :^)
- Tom Hulse
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Tom, you've been very helpful again. Thanks for the new information.
Veronica
Here are some of the seedlings starting up from pink beauty x ecuador pink!!!
Thanks Tom.
Thanks so much Tom!
I appreciate everyone's input and honesty about my questions. :-)
beckygardener asked: "This is very interesting! So the only way to get a true named Brug is from a cutting, not seeds?"
That's right, the only way to get a true named (and registered) Brugmansia is from cuttings.
There are many people - retailers, eBayers and others - who would like you to think that you can grow named Brugmansia hybrids from seed, but it is not true.
Becky, thanks again for your generosity.
Jaye - Thanks for sparking the naming interest for me to start this thread. I really had absolutely NO idea!!! Good luck with those babies!
I wanna see photos of anyone who grows my seeds and gets blooms. I know they may not bloom this year, but I plan to be on DG for a long time, so I can wait until next year if that is the case. Though I am wondering ... if so many of you have started seeds this early (Feb - Mar) if it is possible to get blooms by year end? I know I "cuttings" that I am growing so far, but they all bloomed pretty quick. Of course, that is probably because the branch was a piece from an established tree.
Good morning Becky, I've two of your seedlings that germinated a week or so. They probably germinated the same time as James'. I'll keep you all posted as to their progress. Some experienced hybridyzers suggested that the seedlings will probably bloom given the right growing condition if started early enough in the season, we'll see as I'll document them and share the info.
Well Becky, I'm not one to keep a journal nor post one! I had shared some with another, and you should be proud that out of 5, 2 had germinated. That's almost 50%!
I am using a Biodome on yours. Can't wait for the others to follow suit.
~Jaye
I missed someone had seeds.. drat double drat.. flirtation is such pretty name.
hope43 - If you want some of my brug seeds, d-mail me! I have some left to share for postage.
Hope 43...
I'll send you.. or anyone else for that matter ... some Brug seeds. if you'd liketo see what happens..mine are Ollie x Noid.. but more than likely my Texs Pink ..but only because it was the next one over... there were 20 fine brugs flowering with in 40 ft of it... Ollie is about the best flowerer..in that it always seems to haveflowers...none of that flushing excuse... and grows real big here.. Gordon
Well Beckie, here they are. I have another popping up...see it in the middle! Hey 3 out of 5!! .........thanks Mama Beckie!
GordonHawk, I'll take up on your offer too. Very new to this but willing to learn.
Jaye
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Gordon i would love to try any you have to spare. i will get you a ene. in mail next few days are you in exchange add. ? i would appreciate it lots. thanks.
Twyla
Jaye - Oh cool! Maybe the other two will also sprout in the next couple of days! They look GREAT!!! I hope they grow and grow and grow for ya! Whatever you are doing ... keep it up! Awesome!!
Well that's two seed takers... if there are others desireing seeds... PLMK..I'll watch here for awhile.. Gordon
I have seeds for my PB X EP as well, if anyone else would like to try their hand at growing brugs from seeds. Just d-mail if you'd like some! :-)
Hey, I'm in for seeds if anyone wants to test theirs out in Phoenix, Az. If they can do well here, well....
Jackie
Hey GordonHawk I would love to try some of your seeds if you have any available...
James..
Well I'd be happy to send you seeds .. Just send me an envelope you'd like the seeds to travel to you in..all stamped and addressed to you.. and I'll put some in the mail for you..
Gordon
please d-mail me for my address to send envelopes to..
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