Help. What do I do now? Any suggestions?
It's Stuck??
I have just left mine and eventually they have come off so not sure .....
increase the humidity by covering it in a dome of some sort (some people use large plastic bags) and spray the tip of the seedling often to keep it soft and moist. Then cross your fingers that it hasn't already rotted under the cork.
This message was edited Feb 4, 2008 10:56 AM
First, Congrats on your babiez! They are darling!
I leave them alone as long as I can... it still looks pretty white so I'd give it more time if it were me. If your providing enough humidity, it will drop on it's own.
If it hasn't come off after the stem is green and it's been a week or two.. I mist it and wait till it's well hydrated well before I attempt to remove it.. Even if your really careful, you can snap the head off... then you get nothing..
I've had one or two headless ones go ahead and grow... but that is rare.
Good luck!
Thank you so much, its my first Brug seedling. I'm so bad at this, I can't even gro marigolds from seed. And the Brug addiction has hit me hard.
I agree you need a clear covering for much higher humidity. They'll open on their own if the conditions are right. You'll probably get a very high percentage decapitated if you try to manually pick the cover. :^)
-Tom
Ah Hah! Now I see the rationale why one tries to peel off the cork-covering before one sows the seeds!!! Light-bulbs popping all over my vision! lol,lol.
I've had headless ones hang on for several months and then die. It is risky to try to remove the cork, but then I had some wither up and die. Didn't know to keep the humidity up then. :-)
When the seed coats get stuck, I normally spray the head with water. If you keep it moist, it will help the seedling to shed the coat. Congratulations on you cute babies!
When I had my first ones up I tried to pull the seed cover off about four of them and the heads came off three ...I was pretty cross with myself for being a sticky beak but left them alone to die in dignity only they didn't, one stood there for a few days and then threw tiny leaves from under the soil and the others grew tiny leaves from the top you can't tell which ones now ...so give them a chance ...it is Summer here that may make a big difference. Oh by the way I had already taken the cork off before planting.
chrissy
LOL Chrissy.. that is cute! I have a "headless wonder" and it got fatter at the top and is sprouting tiny leaves out the side of the top.. crazy lil brug!
I reckon they are tough as old boots but so many of you are trying to grow them in such difficult conditions that I am in awe,obviously they may not be quite as tough as old boots in snow country, still there aren't any other plants that are so worth it and are such great survivers to boot.
chrissy
I will spray it and I will learn how to peel the cork off the next seeds I plant. Thank goodness I only planted half of the seeds I ordered.
Everyone here is great, thanks so much. Linda
yes..I go along with high humidity as a way of rotting the husk...before the plant.. unless you'd like to join us in the U dumb Ass feeling for popping the heads.. ... ( now it's not the pressure you exert on the head doing it.. the stem ..It's self will sever just below it ) Or try removing it on your own.... perhaps a finger nail..or sharp scapel.. a sure fire way of helping membership in the I KILLED 100 Plants In My Garden Club
now each and every year the tally is erased.. and you have to start over.. I'm a shu in.. by July I'd wager given the good start.. OH I also count rotted cuttings in my tally..
Gordon
but given putting them into near death.. and bringing them back is risky business also.. membership in the club is easy... I'm trying to revive Susanne X Red #3 today.. it has sat dry and leafless in it's cu ft of pine mulch ( Mississippi dirt ) where it grew last year... long enough... But word is it's tough... growing from nothing.. all year without being watered.. in this pine bark I mentioned.... that after running water on... was still real dry..I can't figure out how it ever grew.. Great root system though growing in the pine bark... with all the air available. ..BTW>>>Thanks Kell and Donna
Gordon
I agree on the spraying and humidity also.
There are times when I have had to cut the seedcoats off of those little suckers to keep them from rotting but you need a sharp instrument( I use a scalpel), a steady hand, and perhaps maginfying glasses ha! etc..-takes alot of practice LOL! Do not practice on something you don't want to lose.
Its OFF. I sprayed it alot and was able to gently pull it off. It was pretty soft. But does anyone know why its yellow and not green? Its a Creamsickle x (Rothkirch x Pink Beauty) x Ludger's Windsong.
Gordon, you don't really kill a 100 plants a year - do you?
Hmmm, lag of green pigment on seedlings! Ok, let's hear from the more experienced growers please.
Lack of or not enough sunlight. The stems are very long because of that also. If you can't supply the sunlight , get them under fluorescent lights. Place the seedlings within an inch or two of the bulbs. They should green up.
I've had this happen with daturas. I found if I didn't get it off the seedling would die so I added moisture and actually lifted it off gently with a tooth picks. One toothpick on the fold between the primary leaves and one carefully pulling the cap away. If the primary leaves stayed pretty much it tack the plants were ok. A little tearing seemed not to hurt the seedling too much, but unfortunately if both leaves or stem are injured during the process, they usually die. It's either that or hope for the best. Hope this helped
Bettydee, that makes perfect sense, since photosynthesis takes place at the leave level, and the first pair non-true leaves also the source of energy for the rest of the developing plant. So I can see why if they're injured or covered, they can't "green up", and some will not survive. velcro, your info. is also appreciated, so much to learn here as newbie.
Kim
Crazy..4...
Well..to be truthful...I bet I do... gave up on 8 today alone... cuttings I had wrapped in moss.. as alast ditch effort for them.. I'd some long cuttings left in water too long... Oh it was more like gelatin than water...rotted from the bottom up... andwithnowatercomminginthroughthat.. schriveledfrom the top downalso...so I tried 16cuttings from inbetween...wrapped them in moss and forgot about them.. then finally I saw some green sprouts on some..and others had a thick root system.. these I potted up...the other 9 I gave a few more weeks...and then one more sprouting.. roots.. so the remaining 8 went out today..there were maybe a dozen in the gel too bad off to give any addational try..thes entered the count then... the last 8 only got counted today.. there wasafew 2"cottings..a bunch of seeds damped off..dried out..eaten.. Ialsocount insect deaths while in my care as a part of my Tally. . considering the number I maintain outside..and inside.. andthe moving from one place to another..and back[ I'm a firm beliver in a few weeks under a shade cloth now..when theygo out]
I'd be suprised if there was only 100.. Gordon
Those are albino babiez.... Ludger's Windsong is the one that throws albinos sometimes I think.
Don't be all heartbroke.... but the albino babiez will not survive.. I'm sorry. I know it's sad..:(
Oh no! I've heard albino babiez in other perennials, such as Hibiscus. Whoa!!!
Kim
I have an albino baby Salvia right now! I am still staring holes in it hoping for a spot of green so it will be a variegated...but I don't think so. :(
I've to admit it. I'm new to seed sowing. I've some mix results with my past attempt. But having hanging out with my DGers friends, I've gained more confidence along the way. I'm hoping for a good growing season this year.
Thanks Joyce.
Kim
ZZ, you are right they are albinos. In the second picture there is a green seedling in the next tray, They have been growing about an inch from the lights. Is there a chance the next leaves might have green on them? If not how long will it take them to die?
Thanks everyone for all of your help. I guess I'm joining Gordon's club, only 98 more to go.
Linda
I'm catching up fast with Gordon's record, but with some remedial changes recently made in the greenhouse, hopefully when I meet up with hers, I won't beat the record. lol.
Cheers! Once we pass the huddle of carying these babiez through the winter.....
A promising bloom of 'Milk and Honey' brug toward our spring. :-)
Well..I do try this and that.. and it sometimes is more detrimental than helpful.... so we might lose a few there ...and sometimes it's a roaring success.. it's a little like being a general.. OK you 4 go out and sit in the sun for a few days.. sometimes only three of them come back...
If there wern'tso many places to get more of them.. it wouldbe a heart break.. now it's just a mild inconvience..
KIM...well thanksfor the good outlook there..loved the flower..when will you open up the garden for the tours of this years good outcome..
OH.. I don't think I have any record.. I've seen so many natural disaster photos.. that willl better my worst efforts for a year...in a matter of a few days..
Gordon
Well it doesn't hurt anything to let them go til they do die and hope they green up.. :) As long as you are hurting for seedling room. I think they are probably albinos and how long they will last just depends on how much stored food they have in their system from being a seed. Without Chlorophyl they can't make their own food.
Oh yeah for sure... I never dispose of them.. I just let nature run it's course.. I've never kept track of how long they live.. They usually get my hopes up by starting to grow adult leaves, but they don't come out.. I love em though!
ZZsBabiez, I've learnt so much about brugs' complicated requirements in the recent pass. I'm thankful I've the opportunity to learn from fellow DGers that share the same passion on these plants.
Gordon, ditto to Mother Nature's will.....as far as reopen my garden's vertual tour this year? Maybe at the beginning of spring when I begin to harden up my tropicals/tender perennials collection back outdoor. Common Spring!!!
Just another newbie question. I have 5 more seeds of this cross, if I plant them will they also be albino?
Are all seeds in one pod identical?
Can't help you there. My first time with seeds, haven't got that far yet.
Crazy..Not necessarily though it's not unheard of. Some crosses have more tendencies to throw albinos but there is a chance that you will get a regular brug out of them
I wouldn't think they would all be albino.. Might as well plant and see. No big loss and it's better than throwing out the seed!
No, seeds are not all identical in one pod. The could be similar, but each one is different.
Good Luck!
....can we think of them albinos as a missing chrosomal Dna somewhere? lol,lol. Phews!!! That's a relief! On the serious node. At least not the whole seedpod is ruined.
Good lucks to you too C4B.
Could I ask a question reguarding seedlings please?
What does it mean when the first two emerging seeds come out three and four instead of two? they are true first leaves.Will the seedlings be no good or is it something good ...or is it normal? I have grown many seeds in my life but never seen this before does anyone know about it?
chrissy
Chrissy, I think it was ZZsBabiez who noticed that seedlings with three leaves later produced three pronged "Y"s instead of two. I would imagine that might hold true for four leaved ones. Tag the seedlings that produce more than two leaves and see what they do when they "Y".