Ron! ... L@@K ... Acapulco Blue Morning Glory is Blooming #2

The Indica from the indica plants we had in the property in Southern Cal just bloomed this morning, from seed this year. It had a bud for two weeks so I was waiting to take photos, I brought the plant inside and knocked off the other buds, but more are coming.. here is the first flower and I took some side-by-side with Alcapulco further on down.. The flower was not open all the way and it doesn't look great, but you can see that the colors are about the same except for the throat.

Alcapulco has a white tube and Indica a reddish tube. The other indicas I have growing have not bloomed yet, and they are also inside the house.. The TX strain from Ron has put out lots of really strong roots, went right thru the pot and I had to pull them off the ground (it snowed here last night), so, everyone of the mGs came inside yesterday.

The more photos I see, the more confused I get, but they are sooooo pretty... some of the Alcapulco's are still getting reversed tubes here. very nice.



I. indica California strain

Photo 1.

Photo 2 CA strain

Photo 3 CA strain

Photo 4 CA strain

Photo 5 CA Strain, photo of sepals, I don't know for sure, but the sepals are darker and I think it is because of the cold.. this just came in last night and the Alcapulco has been inside for weeks, so, that could account for the darker color, don't know..

These next photos are some of Alcapulco Blue from this morning and where you see a photo of two flowers, the smaller one is Alcapulco Blue and the larger one on the Right hand side is I. indica CA strain.

Photo 1.

Photo 2. of both

photo 3 of both flowers

photo 4 flowers

photo 6 dried flower and bud on Alcapulco Blue

7 photo seedpods on Alcapulco Blue

8 ... one more of seedpods

... 10.. sepals for Alcapulco Blue

11.. last photo, flower buds Alcapulco Blue

Today's flower had the coloring of Blue Dawn CA Strain.. very nice to finally capture the color on both.

Hey Becky,

Thanks... let me know if you want some of the CA indica strain, I brought alot of seeds with me.

A.

Hi Antoinette. . .

FABULOUS SHOTS.

Your California strain is SO NICE!
And Just as Pretty of a Blue as Acapulco Blue.

I would love seeds to start next year.

Emma

A - I would love a few seeds! :-)

You got it Emma, they may be some of the same Strain from the seeds I sent you in 2005 though.. but I still have alot and will add them to your seeds.. I had three types so I'm sure they crossed.

Your photos are really nice too..

A.

Alrighty.. Becky..

A.

Thanks Antoinette! Just curious ... is that cultivar an annual or a perennial?

Thanks Antoinette. . .

With yours I'll have 6 different strains that I'll be growing next year, that will not include Acapulco Blue and should all be Perennials.

Becky, Antoinette's I. indica should be a Perennial for you, but let her answer that for sure.

Emma

Emma,
I do have the acapulco inside, but with temps around 65-70 in the grow room now, it isn't enough to get it to bloom. I should have brought it in during August when the grow room temps were 90s and 100. It doesn't show any signs that it is dying off, though. I'd love a few more seeds just in case, since I only have the one plant.
Beth

HI Beth. .

I'll be happy to send you more seeds.
Maybe Ron can shed some light on why you aren't getting blooms. The thing is that even though this MG came from a Tropical zone 11. We don't need to meet that to get the blooms. In other words, my vines were some of the very first that I planted this year [one month ahead of last year which is why I am getting seeds] . . . and even in our 100 temps they did not bloom. Not until the temps started dropping did they start to bloom.

Same thing happened to my Ipomoea quamoclit seeds that I got FROM ACAPULCO. Photos posted on your thread here
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/789635/

My 'Regular' I. quamoclit that I've grown for years do not perform as the strain from Acapulco. They bloom much earlier. The Acapulco strain started blooming a little behind the Acapulco Blue and wow, did they ever bloom too.

Here is what Ron said on this same Thread to my question:
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=4194767
"What is the deal with the plants from this tropical paradise that doesn't bloom until late?"

Ron's Reply:
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http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=4197021
RON_CONVOLVULACEAE wrote:
Emma - The plants that are collected from an area that is more tropical have become acclimated to a longer growing season...so they continue to build up energy reserves throughout the summer and finally bloom later on the season...it stays so warm where you collected them from that they are accustomed to the luxury of the continued long warm growing seasons...

The pink is a dilute of the red and dilutes are often not as vigorous or hardy as the darker pigmented plants that they are derived from..

TTY,...

Ron
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His answer does make sense. Also, if I remember correctly from 'way back when' - Ron told me on other late bloomers such as Higes, that if you will grow the VERY FIRST SEEDS collected each year, you should eventually be able to have vines that will blooms sooner.

RON???

Emma

I'm pretty sure I know what happened to the Acapulco.
When I first brought them in from outside, I didn't have the humidifier set up right away. I think they would have bloomed right after I brought them in if they hadn't been too dry. They even started to shrivel. After I set up the humidifier, they recovered and began growing again, but missed their chance to bloom. Live and learn, I guess. At least I didn't kill that one plant I have going. I hope for blooms next summer.

Well, guys, the Blue Dawn was open all day today. It did turn a fushia color..

Becky, Emma is right, I. indica is a perrenial. Also, it could be very invasive in your area. It was at my home in CA. It was EVERYWHERE... DH used to cut it down all the time (He hated it) and I loved it...

When Emma sent me a plant and I opened it up and potted in a bigger pot.. DH saw it (and he knows nothing about plants) he said, THAT looks like THAT vine in CA... lol. I said "really? you think so?.. Boy, he knows how to ID a I. indica..lol.

Anyway, you need to keep it in check in your zone. It spreads by its roots and wherever each strand lays, that is where it will root, and grow more branches, and they too will root. Okay, so now you know the dangers..lol
A.

Thanks, A! I had already thought about that since it is considered a perennial. Most plants seem to thrive here especially perennials!

Becky . . .

BUT, the good news is that the roots are not deep [at least not in my zone], and they are very easily pulled up. You can take the new runners that shoot out and send it up to climb with the other vine, or cut them off. OR, if you let it crawl on the ground, it does make a lovely ground cover. I did that one year and it only grew in a confined area of about 8'.
8' less of grass to mow...*-*

Beth . . .
I do hope you are able to get blooms to enjoy. It really is a lovely MG.

Emma

Here is photo of my Blue Dawn from last year.
The Fuchsia blooms are SECOND DAY BLOOMS.
A pretty combo with the New Blooms just opening.
So pretty!

Gourd - It would be very helpful to see the early flowerbuds on your I.indica that have the recurved sepals(like daschund ears) compared to the same type of early flowerbuds on the Acapulco...

Take note of any comparative differences in the outer and inner type of sepals...and the secondary bracts at the basal areas of the pedicels and peduncular clusters...

Do the flowers from the Acapulco stay open as long as the regular I.indica(?)...

Do the pistil and stamen parts look the same(?)...size,shape,length,basal areas etc...

Does the Acapulco seem to be forming perennial roots(?)...

Are there any root nodes forming on your regular I.indica along the upper vine stems just south of where a leaf has dropped in the axial area and a new stem is emerging from the axis...these root nodes look like a row of several bilateral small but light colored bumps...which will elongate into roots if they sense the environment is right to root...any similar root nodes on the Acapulco(?)...

I temporarily misplaced my Acapulco seeds,but a closeup seed comparison of yours for size,shape,hairs,hilium area and any other noticeable characteristics should be a valuable reference...

Since you are the only one with flowers on both vines why don't you do some very controlled cross pollinating and see if they will cross fertilize...that would be a major piece to the puzzle...


Emma - Yes,if you grow your plants from the earliest seeds to develop you should get plants that flower slightly earlier each season...et cetera,etc...

TTY,...

Ron

I looked at this one; someone sent me the seed. I will grow it, but I think it is a wild form of ipomoea nil, I have heard it does not come back from the roots, I will still give it a go. 3 of my friends are after this one so I will send them the surplus seed. Nice flower though

Ron never got all the answers he was looking for, for a final ID, but it's interesting that his first hypothetical ID was I. nil -

Quoted:

"Hi Emma - My impression of the sepals is that they most closely resemble Ipomoea nil and that is what I think this plant is...an interesting wild type...with clusters that most closely resemble the peculiar one from offered by JJ...the sepal bases don't look wide enough to me to be Ipomoea indica and the sepals aren't hairy enough or splayed outward and downward enough to be Ipomoea hederacea...

Ipomoea nil and Ipomoea hederacea are annuals...I.Indica would develop perennial roots...
also,try crossing the pollen with some of the other I.nil and I.hederacea that you have and see what it crosses with...the ability of it to easily cross with others of the same species should be a very good 'second opinion' from the plants...

I'd still like to see what the developing seedpods display...

Cool looking plant..."
from - http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=2906461

This thread was especially interesting to me for the processes of ID - there was so much to learn from those. Thanks to all for their input.

Karen