Has anyone else tried to grow these? I bought 5 seeds and only one germinated. This is the first bloom but doesn't look at all like I expected. This is only the first bloom and I know that isn't always representative. This doesn't even look like a Fuji to me. What could it be???
beth
I don't have a clue to it's identity but it's very pretty.
HI Beth,
I have the seeds from the same seller, but haven't grown them yet.
Fuji no Monet is a sport of one of my Mt. Fuji seeds that I sent to this seller about 3-years ago. So, this one cross-pollinated among my blooms with no clue what it could have crossed with.
If I grow them this year I will be sure to let you know how my blooms turn out.
Emma
I am interested to find out what other people get from this strain!
So am I Beth.
It will be great to know if any remain True.
If they do not, what each ends up with.
Emma
Did anyone grow these this summer? I was thinking of buying some but am hesitant....one of the photos she posted recently shows part of the flower changing to a deep purple....(perhaps reverting?).
Thanks!
Sandy
Beth - Is this an early morning photo or an evening photo? I am just wondering if this is the color as it first bloomed.
The blooms were more blue in the morning, and more purple in the afternoon. They never looked at all like the ebay advertisement.
Thanks Beth...I think I will definitely pass on these then....
Sandy
Thanks Beth for the tip.. Here pictures on ebay, do not all look like the Monet picture. If these were open pollenated for three years, Fuji No Monet could be a dinosaur before it gets off the ground. If you get 6 pictures that are all a little different, why pick one to name? The group should have been named, not just the best single flower. Frank
Beth,
I know for sure a white ray pattern can carry only one gene for white ray and when the genes recombine in seeds some of them will come up solid...remember our experiment with the pink x purple blizzard?
With the white ray pattern flower a first generation cross with solid will not show any signs anything has happened if the pod parent has two white ray genes... your flowers will have the white ray but carry only one gene for the white ray. It is in the 2nd generation when even tying the blooms will result in some of the flowers coming out solid because the recombination will show white ray blooms with some solid blooms in there causing you to say,"Where did that come from?".
(Edited to get my generation numbers correct.)
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I saved all the seeds I got from my grow out on that type. I think the seller should warn that you might not get what's pictured when you buy. I'll be growing them next year and see if any white rays re-appear. I self pollinated all the blooms.
Beth,
I agree. Sellers should report "open pollinated" and also the possibility that a hybrid could throw different combinations of traits. You are right on the money with that idea.
I have a hunch about the solid looking blooms. My hunch is if you didn`t see any of the ray white that you will not get any white ray unless the bees fixed them up with another ray white fuji or youjiro. :)
If you wanted to test the theory on what a solid bloom will produce then they need to be hand tied and pollinated to self. Open pollinated seeds can possibly throw off results when testing out what a flower will produce. It isn`t such a big deal if you are just looking for new varieties since some new varieties originated from open pollinated seeds. It is when you want a certain same set of characteristics that the tying blooms and growing and selecting can be very helpful. It can also sometimes be a pain to segregate the characteristics since they can be lost in the shuffle and some things are gone once they are gone and you have to do another cross to get it back.
Karen
Does anyone want to do a grow out on these "Fuji no Monet?" next year? I self pollinated all the blooms and got lots of seeds.
I do!!!☺
Beth, I believe all the progeny from your solid colored flowers will also have solid colored flowers. If, as Karen suggests, White Ray is a dominant factor then your solid flowers have two recessive factors for White Ray that do not produce the White Ray flowers and are incapable of producing a selfed seed that will result in a White Ray flowered plant.
It is those flowers that have a single dominant factor and a single recessive factor for White Ray that produce White Ray flowers and selfed seed that will result in plants that theoretically will be 25% solid flowers and 75% White Ray flowered ( 1/3 of these White Rayflowered plants will have the double Dominant factor and 2/3 will be like the parent with one dominant and one recessive factor). Like Kared stated, those plants with the double dominant factor for white ray will always produce white ray flowered plants when selfed.
This is probably an over simplification of this situation as multiple factors are probably involved, all working together to refine what we call white ray.
Hope I didn't muddy the waters even more!
Arlan
I'd be very interested Beth!
Sandy
I wish we had a morning glory society so we could certify worthwhile seed sources. I guess you can sell any mg seed on ebay, for a high price if you have a pretty picture to exploit it with. What is the cliche for those that practice this kind of stalking on us. I think we need a naming contest for those who sell us the wrong seeds and don't care. Frank
I still think we should do a grow out even if the white rays never re-appear. Everyone interested LMK and I will get seeds to you. They are nice blooms in their own right.
Bet I'm still interested I like them either way!! I'll send a package in return to you...
It wouldn't have bothered me so much if the seller had stood behind her claims. I think I paid over $10 for these seeds and I did let her know they ended up looking nothing like advertised. I didn't expect a refund but she should have offered replacement seeds rather than just saying "oh well..."
It's too late now to leave appropriate feedback.
Beth,
Id like to try a few. If you haven't sent out my envelope for the Sydney seeds you offered, could you please add a few of these? Otherwise, I will send you another SASE.
Deb
Ok, let me see all of who is interested and I'll send them all out at one time. That will help me keep track.
Beth,
I would love to participate in the grow out! I like the brushed look around the throat and the color is outstanding.
The only way the seller could have prevented this was to test grow the batches of seeds.
Karen
I notice the leaves look solid. Are the leaves solid?
Another idea is if your seeds came from a open pollinated source then it could have mysteries to be discovered in the test grow. I`m definitely interested and it should be a lot of fun.
Karen
Beth - The color is very pretty! I, too, would be game for a grow-out. You can add me to the list if there are enough seeds after others want them. :-)
The leaves were not variegated on this one. The seller continues to offer this bloom this season as well. I will start a new "grow out" thread.
Perhaps all sellers can read this and get a heads up on the fact they need to be tying these blooms and test growing the seeds. At least a test grow of a open pollinated batch would give a idea if they should be sold or not and what will they look like and then you`d get a representational picture from yours truly as advertisement.
People will get the sticker shock real bad and stop bidding when this kind of disappointment happens. It would be for the good of all to practice some quality control with the seeds being offered.
Karen
Beth,
I did not mean to throw a wet blanket on the grow out, as I like the resulting flowers very much also! Sorry if anybody took it that way. I am very interested in the results of your grow out also! It will be interesting. - Arlan
Me too. I hope none of my statements have been discouraging to anyone. My heart is a encourager always. Karen
I personally think this is a good thread and we all get to participate in the conversation and growout.. good comes from all of our input, trials, errors and projects. I see nothing offensive.. it gives everyone the chance to explore and learn too.
No problem Arlan. I wasn't sure if the white spokes would re-appear at all, and they may not. I still like the compact shape of this bloom and the way it "holds" itself and doesn't flop like the large flowering nils.
Because the leaves are not variegated and look to have reverted to a more standard nil shape, I agree with Karen that your plant may be an open pollinated F1 hybrid. Particularly if the parent plant of the seeds you purchased truly had variegated leaves.
If that is the case, then you all should have a great time with the grow out!
Arlan
I don't think the original plant advertised had variegated leaves, I think the seller said it was a purple Mt. Fuji sport.
Beth, If the plants these seeds descended from had variegated leaves then this green leaf vine could carry for variegation. There should be some pretty interesting results appear in the grow out.
Karen
Beth,
I will be willing to participate and do a grow-out for you.
One of the parents that these seeds originated from was a Fuji Lavender.
Emma
Here is an interesting bloom I got off a Fuji/maisugata. It has very little white expressed in the bloom. I'm tempted to name is Fuji no White!
I have no idea if the next generation will look the same.
lol.. beth, that's a good name..
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LOL
We could get carried away and maybe not
lol..
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