Could this be Scarlett OHara? Or just another wanna be?

Ron's Scarlett O'Hara strain 67. It still DOES exist and is flourishing in my garden. Hope to have photos soon and seeds later in the season.

Here is another picture of the flower in my garden taken with a better camera.

Karen,

STUNNING!
STUNNING!
STUNNING!

Emma

Thanks Emma. I think I could use this one to breed a larger solid throat flower.

Here is a little comparison I did using my flower which showed a difference in color in the throat and in the outer corolla. MGJ flower was pretty much uniform in color. I did analysis and comparison of both flowers to a real red color. check it out...

MGJ`s flower is a very brilliant rosy red and stunningly beautiful in my opinion. In fact, MGJ`s flower is the closest to red nil I have seen in a picture on Dave`s Garden so far.

My flower has a rosy throat but shades out to a more magenta with purple undertones.

Now the real SOH does not need to be a stop sign red to get my appreciation but if she is indeed as red as the quamoclit then it will be amazing.



This message was edited Jul 6, 2007 2:15 PM

I did one more little artwork showing Emma`s flower(I hope you don`t mind Emma.)

I believe my flower may have a ray pattern like Emma`s flower. Notice how the color in the ray in rosy and the outer edge has a more purple look?

Here is another with a rosy ray pattern and purple looking outer corolla. Now I wonder if a larger flower with a solid throat is possible? That would look neat I think.

http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=3691091




This message was edited Jul 6, 2007 3:00 PM

Hey Karen,
No I don't mind at all.

You go girl!

Emma

I guess I need to vent! I am so disappointed that the Plantfiles page for Scarlett O'Hara has so many white throated blooms. If we can't get it right, how can we expect the seed companies to follow?
Beth

Karen, RHET, RHET, RHET RHET.


Karen, by Mendelian numbers, you have a 25% chance of saving this wonderful color, by self pollination. It really is not of use to you for breeding purposes until it is stabile. The unfortunate fact, that an mg will make 5 or less seeds, three most of the time, is a loquatious stumbling block for breeders.

To tell the truth, nothing is real valuable for breeding stock unless it has been stabilized. That is what makes the 25% you could get,(one seed in 4), of your target zone, STRONG.

Karen, you already have some sweat equity in this plant. So let me compare the breeding of it to the difference between a 10 year mortgage and a 40 year mortgage. You can stabilize that great color up front as in a 10 year mortgage, or do the stabilizing in the 30 years after. You don't have color as a breeding tool unless it is stable and comes true.

30 years ago I ordered a RHS color chart. When it arrived, I laughed, because it was nothing like I ex[ected. It came as three stacks of 1.5 inch x 6" cards, with 6 colors per card, in a stack 1" high. Each card had 6 colors, and was 1.5" x 6", and they had a hole and a pin at one end so you could fann it out more than 360 degrees. There were so many colors that there were three of these card swatches that you could fann out, to complete their whole spectrum. Nonethesless, you could locate any color in the flower world with little difficulty. It was $15 in 1975, and that was expensive then. Sad to see it is so expensive today....... Take a deep breath and think about these things. Frank

Just a thought....

If the modifiers that are causing this color are recessive....then it should come back relatively true. The challenge down the road is weeding out the other recessives ( if they are present) that further change the color or other characteristics as they show up. It will be a nice project, none the less!

I also believe that the color in Ipomoea is generally in the plant's genome, and not necessarily different in each flower. Therefore, all seed produced from this plant could be considered to be representative of the segregation of the plant's potential. This should increase your power of selection.

Does this make sense?

Arlan

It is spelled Rhett Butler with two ts right or I learned it wrong?

Anyway, I will have to decide which flowers are worth my time and trouble to mark and tie the blooms...followed by growing them out and selecting. I have a big yard but I`m no seed factory either. I like this color enough to work with it and see what happens.

What happens is not entirely in my control and all I can do is keep enjoying my hobby.

Atenkley is right. The solid color and dark throat are recessive traits. If I tie and grow enough seeds then I have a better chance of seeing more details about the plant`s genetic make up much like F2 grow outs are more successful if you have more F2 seeds.

I believe the white tube is a dominant trait. It either has the white tube or it doesn`t so you can breed out a white tube and loose that pretty easily through selection. What would be difficult is weeding out the recessives for the different shades of colored throats. This is sort of making an educated guess based on the little bit of crossbreeding nils I have done so far.

I believe if you find one flower on a vine fitting for your project then you can mark the vine and tie blooms and you will be on your way to getting the seeds you need for a potential grow out.

Karen


This message was edited Jul 14, 2007 12:36 PM

Hey Frank. . .

Looks like we have the RED DAYLILY . . .

Now for the REAL Scarlett O'Hara!

Look at what Parks has
Daylily Moses' Fire
and what a beauty!

Emma