Nor. Calif San Fran. Bay area roundup

But who is to say if a moth flew in for quick egg laying the next day and then flew out again? It just seemed odd to me.

Well, that's the problem with their system, there isn't a way to guarantee that a moth won't fly in right after the inspector leaves. But the Ag dept I guess feels they're doing their best this way to contain the moth and also let people keep their businesses open (they're definitely doing fine on the 2nd part, not so sure about the first!)

They are probably using Isotox [ spelling ] bayer systemic or something else . I'll ask and if the rest of us do maybe someone will get an answer . Isotox is a spray and you can buy bayer in a spray form .
From what I understand , the larvae stay on one plant and eat the leaves - the problem is when they get wings .

I don't live in a quarantine area but I work in one. I wanted to go to a couple of nurserys in the Berkeley area and have decided not to. Why take a chance. I mean some nurserys have a hugh volumn of plant turnover and how often are they inspected.
This has been a somewhat tough year starting with the freeze we had, the extreme heat we had early and now a moth. On the other hand most of my plants recovered from the freeze, they wilted in the heat but came back bigger than ever and alot of brug seeds I planted last fall are starting to bloom. Very exciting.
Linda in Concord

jltbaw - con grats on seeds blooming , I have 2 year cuttings that haven't bloomed- took cuttings 2 years ago

I asked at 3 Bees Nursery what they made them spray with to get rid of the moths. They said Chlorpyrifos.

Trade names include Dursban (home and garden uses), Empire, and Lorsban (agricultural uses).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorpyrifos
Chlorpyrifos is a neurotoxin and suspected endocrine disruptor, and it has been associated with asthma,[8] reproductive and developmental toxicity, and acute toxicity. For acute effects, the EPA classifies chlorpyrifos as Class II: moderately toxic. Recent research indicates that children exposed to chlorpyrifos while in the womb have an increased risk of delays in mental and motor development at age 3 and an increased occurrence of pervasive developmental disorders such as ADHD.[9] An earlier study demonstrated a correlation between prenatal chlorpyrifos exposure and lower weight and smaller head circumference at birth.[10]

Chlorpyrifos is highly toxic to amphibians, and a recent study by the USGS found that its the main breakdown product in the environment, chlorpyrifos oxon, is even more toxic to these animals. [11]


Here is what I found Tony.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/06/03/MNGDEQ6SHU1.DTL
Nurseries where the moth had been found were required to spray their products with a pesticide that could kill the moth as an adult, larva or eggs -- a requirement the state's initial review suggested could be met by one pesticide registered for use in California nurseries: chlorpyrifos.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20070608/ai_n19294752
Spraying will begin in southern Oakley on Wednesday via a handheld hose attached to a truck.

The pesticide -- Bacillus thuringiensis, or Bt -- is a naturally occurring bacteria that is not harmful to humans or pets, said Jay Van Rein, a state Department of Food and Agriculture spokesman.

http://www.voanews.com/specialenglish/2007-07-09-voa5.cfm
The California Department of Food and Agriculture says growers have the choice to destroy affected plants or treat them with a chemical, chlorpyrifos. Another substance, Bt, is a natural organism used as a biological control. In June, weekly ground treatments with Bt began on more than two hundred properties in two counties, Contra Costa and Napa. Napa is famous for its wine grapes.

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So is the roundup off, or is just going to be the people in non-quarantine areas? I'd like to attend.

I'm pretty sure it's still on. I think there's still some debate as to whether or not we'll bring plants. It might just be a potluck get-together.

I think it's on, no reason we can't get together and chat and eat some good food, it would be nicer if we could bring plants but I don't see any reason not to do it anyway even if we can't. Of course it's really up to the people who are hosting/coordinating to make the final call!

If we can't bring plants, seeds would be fine, wouldn't they?

Yes, we are still on for October. I would like to suggest that if you live outside of the quarantine zone, then it would be OK to bring plants to trade.

If you are in the quarantine zone, please do not bring any, since they may be infected and we don't want to take the chance. My house is outside of the zone, but barely.

I still have some Dursban left was told at reagans that it was being banned 2 years ago and when their supply was sold , no more would be sold . [In Calif ]
I have a hard time finding Malation [ sp ] . OSH finally got some in - but 3 or 4 days after spraying it turns into bug food .
There are a few I buy when I go to Reno .
Dursban is a bad news spray - don't use around food plants [ I stop spraying about 3 feet from fruit , tomatoes , beans , garlic- just grow for pretty seed heads . ]
Same with Isotox [ sp]

Well, I'd like to come! Huck is one HECK of a chef! I'm outside of the quarantine, so I'll be bringing as many pretties as I can stuff in the truck!
I had a wonderful time last year, though I need to come earlier. I did not know what to expect, being my first round up. I couldn't believe how generous everyone was! Patricia brought enough pretties to start a nursery! LOL

So, if we bring pretties to a party just barely outside the quarantine area, will we be able to leave with them? Couldn't they technically get infected, and, if it's only a mile outside, by October, then the area might have grown?

I think technically you're OK as long as the roundup is outside the quarantine area, but I guess you better keep your car windows rolled up so the moths don't fly in as you drive through the quarantine areas on your way to/from the roundup! LOL More seriously though, there's definitely a chance that the quarantine areas will be expanded between now and October, so we should definitely doublecheck that before anyone makes plans to bring plants.

I am still planing on coming , by then we should know of a few more sprays . From what I have read , they stay on same plant until they pupate [ sp ] . That means ladybugs should eat them .
Buy lady bugs , put in ice box and release a few on each plant every night for a week or more .
Someone will probably post more .

Even if there are sprays you can use or you find other ways that you think would take care of any moths, larvae, etc on your plants, if you live in a quarantine area you still won't be allowed to transport plants out of the area. Not unless you could convince a state inspector to come by and inspect your garden like they do with the nurseries, and I don't think they have time for that!

I was referring to people from outside Quar. area that are worried about maybe taking home bugs . I go to CC , Sam Mateo [ half moon bay ] , and wander around Alameda county for plants .
They get spayed with Malithon or bayer 3-1 depending on plant .
If there is room I leave under the fig tree a day or 2 .
Anything that bites into it's leaves is generally there the next day - you might call it a trap plant .
Does anyone know of a way to get the bug reports sent to your email ?
If I had not gone to a baptism last weekend I would not have heard or even read about a bug called Diaprepes . It's a root weevil that can be in 270 plants - citrus , Hibiscus , avocado , loquat and Oak .
They sent a postcard to the sister-in-laws house . [ they = cdfa ] www.cdfa.ca.gov .
There is a rooted cutting [ in 1 gal pot ] of a really big early green fig there now - wasn't worth the chance of bring up here . Was told someone was coming up in 2 weeks and they will bring up in bag I put it in . They had kathleen [ spelling ] so I drenched it - bagged it and will wait for delivery - I hope .

As to the whole issue of spraying, quarantines etc.....I work in a nursery in the affected area for sharpshooter, and now apple moth...not to mention they are still watching for Sudden Oak Death too. I wrote a big rant about it all on my blog www.tinasgardengrows.blogspot.com if anyone cares to read.

Most of the Ag inspectors Ive spoken too think the apple moth is pretty much spread through the Bay Area, its just that so far, people havent been catching them and bringing them in.

My neighborhood, 9 miles from the nursery where I work, was sprayed several times with BT (for the apple moth) and thankfully, our AG dept is starting a non toxic IPM program here.

At the nursery however, we would have to close for 2-3 days because Chloripofyros (im sure I spelled that wrong) is an organophosphate and very toxic to the public. I wonder what would happen to the family run daycare that is behind us?
"sigh"

Patricia, can you update your first thread to change it to the official date for newcomers? I had trouble finding it and this way, it's right at the top.

Patricia - Editing it to state that the date has been finalized and that it's Oct. 13 would be a great improvement. Thanks!

I can't imagine what would happen if that bug ended up here. There are so many apples that have gone wild. I can look off my deck into the forest and see where once there must have been an orchard with gigantic apple trees, loaded with fruit. Are there road checks in place? Maybe I should look to see if there is another thread about this.

Arnie fired all of the apple police. No roadblocks in the near future.

oh crap...then they'll make it up here.

I believe it's possible to trade seeds with no problem at all so I think we should just stick to that. I'm new at DG, but I'd think the main point of a Roundup is to meet people...

For the garden event I'm hosting at the UC Botanical Garden, I'm bringing seeds and having a swap table for gardening books, magazines, and unusual catalogs. That's a way we can still "share the wealth" without risking making an infestation worse than it already is.

Spidra - what gardening event are you hosting at the Berkeley Botanical Garden? I volunteer there and might be interested in attending.

Hi faeden,

My recovery from surgery on Aug. 1 is going slower than anticipated so I'm here less and typing less. Here's a link to what I've previously written about the event:

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/710649/

So sorry to hear that your surgery recuperation is taking so long. I read the thread about the event at the Garden and find it very interesting. I know I'd be interested in attending. I'll keep checking with the office to find out if/when it's being held.

It's definitely on. Details are on that upcoming.org link in that thread.

Sounds like fun. I wonder why the Garden doesn't have anything on its website yet? I'll check when I go up there next Tuesday.

It did last I looked. You have to go to Events and then to September. However, I'm encouraging people to RSVP at Upcoming.org because it really helps us reach an extended audience.

The event is also on the postcards that UCBG mailed out about their fall events.

I know how to use the UCB site. That's the first place I looked. I just looked again now, and it's still not in their "Events" section. However, I now see it on the "Calendar of Events" and on the home page, left side bottom. It should be in all three places. Whoever's in charge of keeping up this website has been doing a really bad job the last couple of months.

I don't usually read the postcards.

The Roundup and pot luck lunch will be in Moraga, CA, at my home, on October 13, starting at noon.

The address and phone number are below:

279 Rheem Blvd.
Moraga, CA 94556
925-235-4314 or
510-541-4843 (cell)

Patricia:
Can you edit your top post to include my address?

Might want it to be in the second post, if you would prefer it isn't viewable to the general public (if this is a members only forum)

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/09/13/MNFIS5HUV.DTL

And now there's a quarantine in Sonoma county due to medfly.

:-(
Well, I've been scheduled to work and haven't found anyone to stay with my dogs, so it looks like I'm out. :-(

Thats too bad Laura, I was looking forward to meeting you. Don't you just hate the way work interferes with our real lives LOL

Ah, yes-it's more the dogs. I have ten and even with two with me, that leaves eight to stay home - a handful for most folks.
:-)

The Med Fruit Flies were found in Solano County:

http://www.co.solano.ca.us/pressdetail.asp?PRID=121

http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publish/article_65208.shtml

My apologies, Happenstance. SoCo SoCo...