All I can say is WOW!! I know they are rare, they are really something to see :)
God bless, Margo
Vulcanicola !
Did you happen to see what the current bid is on ebay? Good grief!!!
Beautiful, yes. But if its just a tad too hot, or a tad too humid, or a tad too wet or dry - the buyer will watch their investment melt away fast. Vulcanicola require specific environmental conditions in order to thrive.
I love Panda Bears and would love to have one for a pet, but I know my humble garden isn't a Chinese bamboo grove.
LOL Liz, you crack me up!
Margo wants one of every brug there ever was! LOL Don't ya Margo? I think she is lining her walls with them inside and out. Brug Heaven in SC this spring!
All kidding aside, it's beautiful, no wonder you want one so bad Margo!
I want one too, but I can't afford the air conditioned greenhouse it would take to grow it. So I look, heave a heavy sigh, and move on. That lavender one a few months ago really got to me. :-(
Mary
Hugs good morning everyone !!
I love the way it looks and YES, I do want them all, BUT a very kind DG'er Dmailed me and thinks it's possibly a hybrid and not a purebred. I am thankful for all of our friends that help keep us "in the know". I would totally love one of those "finicky, snotty, hard-headed little plants" ROFLMBO :))) But, at what price? Certainly not that much unless it came from someone I knew, then I would happily pay that for it!!! I want one in that color so bad!!!!!
One day, some day.....maybe I'll find one. I'll keep her in the house and spoil her rotten with bright sunny days and warm cozy night, lol. Sounds like my puppy, huh :))
By the way...I'm gonna be a GrandMom to puppies. My half Jack Russell half Chihuahua is due around the end of February. I keep chanting to her "eeny, meeny, miney and NO MOE"! Hoping she picks up my vibes of just 3 puppies, lol. Her name is Precious and she didn't know she could walk until she was over 6 months old. *grin* She is definitely a "Daddy's Girl". He, on the other hand, has already hired a midwife, hahaha!
How are your seeds Joyceee ? Mel and Gary, you ought to get yours tomorrow!!
Have a great day everyone, God bless, Margo
Edited to say----
e too, oh WOW, me toooo Mary...if they show up again want to share ?? Then if either of us get a lavender we can share cuttings ??
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No way, Margo!! My daughter has a Russell Terrier, Chihuahua mix!! Congratulations!
So, how's it going with your seeds? Any success yet?
OH my gosh !!! There are 3 people bidding that Vulcanicola uppppp and upppp....must be some kind of amazing brug for sure!!!!!!!!...............WOWEEEEEE !!!!
*************$375.00*************
And I thought $125 was a high bid, LOL
No lil heads popping through yet Felicia!! I check several times a day...I just can't wait. My puppy is 3 and adoreable......no, I'm not prejudcied a bit, lol.
God bless, Margo
I bet this 6" plant goes for over $500, since it's at $394.99 with 2 hours and 45 minutes left. That is just crazy. I bet the seller is laughing about now!!
More to the point, the seller will laugh all the way to the bank. Plant people deserve a solid boost now and then. Just so happy I am not interested. Lol.
Tussee
I'd be willing to pay that much for a Vulcanicola from someone I knew .... if I was sure I wouldn't kill it. With my climate we might as well hold the funeral for it before I planted it. Sigh .....
The pictures of that seller make all his blooms look so incredible. He must have such a fantastic camera and he sure knows how to take pictures. Most of his plants for sale I have seen at the San Francisco Botanical Garden at Strybing Arboretum. One Vulcanicola there that I found this last year, was virused in the Chilean garden. I have noticed in the past many of his plants offered on ebay were at the Arboretum sales too.
In person, the blooms are not very dramatic like other brugs at all. And they are quite small.
At any rate, his bloom pictures look just like those of the tree at the Arboretum and the tree is clearly labeled Vulcanicola, actually Volcanicola, so I assume it really is. Being no expert myself, I do trust the Arboretum. It is full of such rare plants. I think I will see if Don Mahoney, horticulture manager at Strybing Arboretum, knows the origins of their specimen. He may be able to enlighten us. He is a plant genius. I will also ask about their spelling of it.
I grew a very similar tree several years ago and it became virused or was virused when I bought it and I didn't know. It only showed in the summer months during heat spells. It was very nice but not spectacular in the usual gaudy brugmansia way. Actually it bloomed in good taste. LOL Personally I have found these are hard to keep and not get virused. I have heard similar woes from other growers.
I thought about Biding on those seeds { For about 2.8 Seconds LOL }
Here is a HUGE bush/tree of a similar if not the same kind at Golden Gate Park by the Conservatory of Flowers. The entire top of the photo is one and the plant continued to be left out of the photo.
I was just thinking I should go down here with my shears and some rooting hormone. Lets see, 1000 x $400 =
LOL Just kidding.
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It is certainly beautiful :) B. vulcanicola is not so good suited for the climate here either. I have killed both 'Roter Vulcan' and 'Vulcanstaub' and several B. sanguinea sp. Our summer is too hot and dry I think. It helped, when I grew out seeds from Ireland, that was B. arborea x B. vulcanicola. They bloom from june-november, until I take them in and cut them down.
The colors are not the best though :)
http://www.brugmansia.dk/images/Nye%20sorter/Brugmansia%20vulcanicola%20'vulc'.jpg
http://www.brugmansia.dk/images/Brugmansia%20vulcanicola%20'Irish%20Morning'%200003.jpg
Tonny, were those seeds from Bruno? I had sent him the pollen from my vulcanicola for his cross.
Wow! I didn't see your picture, Kelley. I must have been writing my post, while you posted yours. It is great to see such large B. vulcanicola tree. I bet the flowers are nice to look at also on a closer range. They are not so large, are they? Do they carry pollen? ROFLOL Never mind the pollen. Just kidding, but could not resist to picture, how its hybrids would look like :) I have been promised pollen from more vulcanicola hybrids out of Germany this year. I would be nice to have a hybrid, that look like B. vulcanicola and blooms like 'Ida'.
The plant being offered is said to have come from seed collected at Laguna La Cocha in southern Colombia, where a pink form of vulcanicola occurs, but it has a purplish calyx which does not show up in the pic of the ebay plant. The flower shape on the ebay plant is not right (IMO) for typical vulcanicola as depicted in Preissel and Preissel.
Both sanguinea and vulcanicola occur at Laguna La Cocha and there is a record of probable natural hybridisation at that locality. This is according to Tommy Earl Lockwood's unpublished PhD thesis on Brugmansia.
I bet the Arborea genes in there made yours much more tolerant of your weather. Here Arborea flowers right thru winter, well until this uncommon and nasty freeze we had for 2 weeks. It really got frostbitten. I have a sucker on mine that towers over my house and it is so damaged when I look up there. I was supposed to cut and make it into a standard all summer and I was too lazy. So that taught me.
I wonder if you crossed them to another colored sang you would bring out more color but retain the arborea influence. I love their leaves much more than I like brug leaves.
Here you can drive around, especially in the city, and you find big trees of sangs and the "vulcanicolas." They just love living in San Francisco. It is the perfect weather for them. And the great thing about living near the Arboretum, is they love to share their goodies. You can buy very rare plants at their sales.
Uh, it's gone. What did it end up going for???
$394.99!
LOL Alistair. I was just reading page 46 for the 100th time. I always go back to it when the question of vulcanicolas comes back up. In other places pink varieties are mentioned so I always wonder if there are more than the one you mention. I really think I will follow up with Don Mahoney. He is so knowledgeable and has such access in the world wide plant network.
Could well be Kell. Tommy Lockwood did his research in the late '60s and early '70s so who knows what's been discovered since then!
It was just an interesting ?coincidence that this plant being offered looked a bit suspect for pure vulcanicola AND (allegedly) came from a place where someone has observed a probable natural hybrid.
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I just emailed the seller to see if he has more info and also I will email Don Mahoney. Kind of fun huh, being detectives. LOL I think I will also email Michael Kartuz too for he sold the US one for years until it got virused. I would not be surprised if he got his from the Arboretum though for I know he comes to town to buy from them.
So Alistair, have you come across a picture anywhere of this pink vulcanicola with the dark violet calyx? What a fun sight that would be. LOL
It does sound cute! No I haven't seen one :-(
Well I got my first response though it is not definitive of which it is. I have delved deeper however in my questions.
"This Vulcanicola is from the SFBG. According to their accession log, it was "wild collected by T. Lockwood, 8 April 1970, Laguna La Cocha above El Encano". "
Well that is just too cool. I have heard so much about Mr. Tommie Lockwood from Kyle.
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Kell can you find out if they have TE Lockwood's collection number associated with that accession? If it is TEL 622 it is the plant he considered a hybrid.
[Oops and I've been spelling Tommie wrong]
Sure Alistair. Though I want to know how it can be known that the one called vulcanicola is not a hybrid too? Who knows what went on for the years and years in that area before they were discovered. The separate species might have existed and crossed with a sang and then died of leaving its offspring.
Were these all genetically tested to see which were not genetically connected?
Kell hybrids can lead to new species, but generally that involves a genetic trick (of doubling the chromosome numbers) which isolates them from beig able to breed with their parents (they can cross with the parents but the offspring are likely to be sterile). I think I am right in saying that vulcanicola produces fertile hybrids with sanguinea.
Also, if it was a recent hybrid, one would expect extremely variable offsrping as characteristics of the parent species conmbine and recombine as the hybrids interbreed. This is the case with B. x candida in the wild where there are hybrid swarms of plants more like versicolor and plants more like aurea, and intermediates.
A probable though as far as I am aware untested explanation for the origin of B. vulcanicola is that a population of B. sanguinea became isolated and adapted to local conditions. Tommie Lockwood didn't actually consider them separate species: vulcanicola was a merely subspecies of sanguinea in his opinion.
WOW, all I can say, is WOW !! I just love the color, shape and bush form. I haven't seen one I Iiked better yet, anywhere. Just plain ole WOW ! Can we call it Pepto Pink ?? (*grin*)
God bless, Margo
Thanks Alistair, Kell and everyone...this has been a true learning experience.
This message was edited Jan 31, 2007 8:03 PM
LOL Margo
Let's see now...the plant is 3" tall...that means the winner can chop it into three 1" pieces...repost and come away with close to 1100.00 bucks...
...6 half inch pieces would come to 2200.00 bucks.
...12 quarter inch pieces would be 4400.00 bucks.
Gee...this is better than buying INTEL stock on margain. ;-)
When I go at night with my clippers and rootone, I will share Gordo and we can get rich together.
OK Alistair, I sicced my good friend Lali on the case and she brought home the goods. Looks like it numbered 621. Does he reference that number?
I am getting clarification of the significance of this number since it doesn't have the TEL in front of it. Where did you get your info?
They are in some ways much alike, so maybe T Lockwood is right about that. I have his unpublished papers here and still read it now and then. I agree that the sp. out of Ebay mighe be a hybrid. It look a bit sanguinea'ish, besides from B. vulcanicola. I have a good aquaintage in Germany, who hybridize B. vulcanicola/sanguinea/x flava. She grow a vulcanicola sp. that is also pictures in Preissels book. The shape of the flowers ... I would call them 'streched barrelshaped' LOL Different from the Ebay x. I think that the rest of her B. vulcanicola hybrids have either B. sanguinea genes or x flava. She grow a hybrid called 'First Blue'. Its lilac of course, but one of the first created. I will ask her about the plant from the Preissel book the next time she phones me.
Kelley, if the garden recieved it as TEL xxx they have probably given it a new acession number in their garden catalog. My 'Colombia' is out of an European garden, where it is catalogized under their own acession number. They added info on the collector and the collection site, but not the acession number given by the collector.