Great pictures Clare! Thats a nice shot of your Candy Stripe, love all the extra petals.
Heres the first flower from my Pinwheel Rainbow that opened the other nite...
Some More Plumeria Flowers
Dave, that's the 'Candy Stripe' cultivar! It's a beauty! I can recognized it now, and it puts out six-petalled flowers like no other cultivar. Pinwheel Rainbow looks like this:
I did a little checking and it appears you are right, it is Candy Stripe.
However, most sites said Pinwheel Rainbow is a known alias for her.
http://www.plumeria101.com/master_gallery/candy_stripe.html
Anyway, I love the flowers and the smell is great too!
Woo hoo Clare! I just got back from Home Depot and the proud owner of a new plumeria! One gallon and about 3 feet high, red, large flowers...called Elizabeth...that's my daughter's name and her hair is red! I am jazzed. It was 13.00. They have one there called Candy pink, do you think it might be Candy Stripe???
Dave, you are right, and I should have mentioned that. The two names are used interchangeably actually, and in fact, there are many different cultivars that go by both of these names. Maui Plumeria Gardens has a Pinwheel Rainbow for sale that they are calling Candy Stripe, but the typical Candy Stripe looks like the ones that you and I posted, and it often puts out six petals per flower. I love it too:-)
Hi Louise and congrats! What a great find! I don't think the one that is called 'Candy Pink' will be 'Candy Stripe,' but it sounds like a pretty pink. C-Stars Nursery is the largest wholesale plumeria nursery in Southern California and has its base in Mexico and distributes to all the Home Depots, Targets, Lowe's, and some nurseries, and they have named many Mexican cultivars. I'm sure it is one of theirs. I have many of theirs including Cancun Pink, Pacific Pearl, Lipstick, Playful, Ruby Star, and some others. Way to go!
Clare thier all Beautiful !
I love your 'Blue Violet' blue flowers are my favorite !
Where would one buy a cutting of this plant ?
Where is the best places to buy cuttings !
Thanks, Violet,
The violet, purples, and blues are rare and are currently being imported from Thailand and run anywhere from $50-$300 per cutting or rooted plant. A Siam Lavender sold on eBay for over $300 not too long ago. They are expensive to import and to buy right now. Luc from Florida Colors made a trip to Thailand last year and is going again this year, I believe. I think he brought some cuttings back with him which are currently being grafted. Florida Colors also has a wonderful variety of cultivars, and I would highly recommend them. They have many cultivars which are not listed on their web site so call them if you do not see what you want. I have listed their 2006 Variety List here: http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/571517/ but their 2007 Variety List will be mailed out in a few months. Make sure you get on their mailing list if you are interested in buying from them. My best friend lives in Thailand, and he is considering selling some of the more desireable cuttings and grafts in the spring and would do so on eBay probably, and I'll help him to do that any way that I can.
Clare, I love your flowers - they are all so beautiful. If I might ask, where did you pick up the Ruby Gold? Thanks.
Hi Ttowers and Thanks! Ruby Gold is an Oz import and is probably the same as the cultivar 'Gold Coast Cotton Candy.' I think Luc at Florida Colors sells it. I got mine from Brad's Buds and Blooms, but they are closed now for the winter.
Clare,
Milton Pierson is the only other person I know selling Ruby Gold. I recently looked at both blooms. I am now certain that they are not the same, though they do share the ability to grow to the moon in a short time, like many of Dj's Ways Oz varieties. I have noted that while both plants are within 8 feet of one another, GCCC never fails to bloom the same color, while RG tends to magically get darker on warmer days. Their fragrance is similar, but I think RG is a bit stronger and nicer. BOTH get large inlfos of flowers, but RG's flowers form a more wide, rounded inflo, while GCCC is a longer and not so symmetrical. Lastly, RG blooms like there is no tomorrow. My GCCC of the same size has only bloomed once this year, compared to RG which is on its 6th inflo already, having bloomed on new tips produced from eariler blooms this year! How cool is that?
Pic 1 GCCC
Pic 2 RG
Hope all this helps.
Brad
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RG
Hi Brad! Wow, thanks for all this info. It still doesn't convince me that they are different though! LOL! Those two pictures look like identical cultivars to me. Differences in bloom color and inflo size and blooming frequency are common in different plants and can be attributed to a variety of subtle differences in growing conditions; right?
For example, I have four Penang Peach cultivars. One is a rather poor bloomer with light yellow blooms; two are fantastic bloomers with big inflo's (different shapes) and dark orange colors; one has a color break and is going to get tossed. They are in different parts of the yard and experiencing different growing conditions but the same weather, same climate, and the same potting mix but different pots.
You could be right, and they are just similar-looking, but I think Oz has a problem with getting their names straight so it wouldn't surprise me to learn that they are the same cultivar. I know that they are working on resolving this problem. The growth pattern is certainly the same. After you told me that you suspected that they were the same cultivar, I did some research and compared every picture that I could find and examined the petal shape, overlap, leaf shape, and growth pattern, and I agreed with your conclusion, but I will re-examine this since you have determined that they are not the same, and I won't change the name on my plant;-)
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Weather they are the same or not, they are stunning! I want one.
Tammie
Thanks, Tammie. It is a pretty flower for sure. Here is mine again below. My colors are a bit light because it is blooming outside still, and it is getting colder here at night.
Clare,
I have also taken into consideration that Steven Prowse, the Oz grower that is credited with Ruby Gold, is the originator of this plant. It is from the extreme northern part of Queensland, a place DJ has not gone to collect. Many of DJs plants were either local discoveries in the area of New South Wlaes and southern Queensland, or, were obtained from a local research center that has actually experimented with producing new hybrids--- a lucky break for him as he is the only grower allowed to get anything therefrom.
The plumerias from northern Queensland include True Blue, called North Queensland Blue, Steven Prowse, Aiden Prowse, Yugumbeh Spirit (also called Old Gold), Beefsteak, and Fire Dancer, to name a few. Further investigation and emails with Mr. Prowse revealed to me that many of his cvs were either collected at former missionary sites on Australia's northern coast, which now belongs to Aboriginal peoples (he has done social work with them and is allowed in whereas many non-native people are not), or, are seedlings from his own plants. The former are wild seedlings of plants brought in from by missionaries early in the last century. The orignal plants are still growing near the ruins of their settlments, now Aboriginal lands.
The above also leads me to believe that though similar, they are not the same when you consider the barriers to getting to the area of origin of RG, and the 1,000s of miles distance between Djs area, et al.
For the record, GCCC also bloomed the same color last year--I needed to see it again this year to make sure. Mine is now a 6.5 foot tree. DJs pics are identical to mine in color from the last two years, and it is hotter than Hades in Oz where he lives during the blooming season. RG gets very, very dark with the heat and can become dark red with fiery orange-gold.
Brad
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Very interesting, Brad! Thanks for your insight! It is brilliant as always:-)
sounds like Ruby Gold would love it here in West Texas. "Hotter than Hades" here in the summer. LOL I must get one of those one day. Absolutely breath taking.
Tammie
Can't say it enough. I love it.
Brad and Clare allow me to settle this...
ok..
Brad send me both of your plants..
I will let Clare know my results..
;=~
Wonderful pictures as always Clare thanks for sharing..
Brad they are real beauties for sure...
dunka
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LOL, Robert!
I have already purchased several plumerias from Brad this past summer. I look forward to spring so that I can order a Ruby Gold!
I have a whole bunch from Brad and love them all. Yeah, he closed up shop for the winter or else I would have recommended him as a source. I'm sure he'll have Ruby Gold and some great ones in the spring.
Robert---LOL ! :-)
Thanks Ttowers223 and Clare.
Clare, it is definitely time for my winter break. LOL It has been a long year, but enjoyable all the same. In a couple more weeks my plumies will all be put to bed as leaves are already dropping. This time I let the natural cycle which, although not attractive, RUST do its job of defoliating my plumies for the winter season. We tend to forget that it is part of the plants cycle in its native environment, and, it is probably less stressful to let them slowly fall off this way than to start whacking them off to hurry dormancy. The only plants not dropping leabes are the ones that still have granular Bayleton remaining on the soil surface that never got totally water in--a delayed reaction, I guess. Lots of blooms still though. My Mary Moragne is blooming up a storm. If any one here doesn't have a Mary Moragne, PLEASE get one! This baby never ceases to make beaufiful Fall -early Winter blooms for me. I have attached a picture. Also, MM doesn't get so HUGE like many of the other Moragnes---she is very compact and symmetrical, though the stems are beefy. Pure enchantment with a sweet, spicy scent with overtones of carnation!
Brad
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Where could I find a Mary Moragen? Anyone have any cuttings available? Those are beautiful blooms!!!!
Tammie
Also my question! Anyone wanna share with 2 beggars!?
Thanks, Brad. I don't know how you do all that you do, but you deserve a nice rest. Thanks for the recommendation of Mary Moragne:-) Your picture is so beautiful!
Tammie and Louise, Florida Colors sells Mary Moragne if they are still shipping, but I would definitely order grafted this time of year; otherwise, Brad will probably have rooted ones in the spring;-) I have a few plumies with that carnation fragrance, and it is awesome!
Thanks Clare.
Here's a close up of the flowers----note the orange veins.
I want to know what type of camera you guys use that you are able to take such beautiful pictures!! Just curious.
I found the Florida Colors site but the link to the Mary Morainge page keeps giving me an error. I would love to order one of the grafted ones.... there are sooo many I would love to have growing here. Just imagine... Odessa, TX looking tropical with these beautiful trees.
Tammie
Beautiful, Brad!
Ttowers, I use a Samsung now that I broke my Kodak!
Tammie, try giving Carol a call and ordering by phone. I get the same thing that you do, and their order forum isn't loading. They just updated their site so perhaps it isn't running normally yet.
Brad, I just read something which said that Steven Prowse used to do business and have dealings with both Chris and DJ, and this has me raising an eyebrow. I think it is possible that he sold cuttings of RG to both Dj and Chris. I don't have both so there is no way for me to compare them side by side, and there certainly can be differences between plants due to growing conditions, but these two look too much alike for me to dismiss the possibility that they are the same. I do agree with you about True Blue and Lilac Clouds though. There are too many differences there, I think: http://www.djsway.com/multicolor.php
Clare,
We GOT Ruby Gold from Steven Prowse and also called it by its correct name. This is not one of our normal varieties, as was True Blue. We no longer sell Ruby Gold or any of Prowse's plants for reasons I cannot say here.
DJ was reprtedly approached by him, but they were not able to come to a deal and he therefore sold just a few varieties through Chris, which we no longer carry now. The varieties we offer are plants from Chris's discoveries alone. Anyway, Prowse was looking for someone to sell in the USA for him and therefore struck a bargain with Milton Pierson. Milton also calls it Ruby Gold, However, in light of the fact he hasn't updated his own website in well over a year (everything is in reference to Spring 2005 still), I am wondering if he is even selling them anymore? Later next year I might be able to root some cuttings fo mine as it has gotten quite large.
You might find it helpful to look at pics of DJ's Gold Coast Cotton Candy on his site www.djsway.com, Clare. Even in the brutal heat of Australia, note the more pastel coloration. Next compare to pics of summer Ruby Gold which you have seen. it is very dark in the heat, and the difference becomes obvious. Another note, Clare---GCCC does NOT bloom as often or as prolifically as Ruby Gold, RG blooms like a crazy plant once it is has more than three nice branches. My GCCC has proven much shyer to blooms even though it is the same size, in the same sized pot and given identical conditions.
TTowers I use a Canon Powershot S1 IS
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Clare--- 2 summer-heat Ruby Golds.........
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Hopefully someone chimes up that they have found the RG for sale somewhere. It is wonderful and a must have in my book.
Beautiful pictures too.
Tammie
Thanks, Brad, really, for helping me to get to the bottom of this. I'm really not trying to be argumentative here. I'm just trying to reconcile some confusion that I have, and the intensity of color and frequency of blooms is not enough to convince me that they are different. We all know that colors can and do look brighter and duller in different growing environments, and that heat and humidity are just a couple of things that influence brightness. Frequency of blooms has a lot to do with nutrition and some other elements that we are unsure about.
You are definitely right that your pictures have a lot more intense color than Dj's pics, but mine are looking fairly pastel, like Dj's pics, right now, and this is causing the confusion. My blooms look exactly like the GCCC pics that are being posted and have been posted in the past. My Ruby Gold looks more like Dj's now than like yours.
It's no big deal though because I'm not going to change the name or anything. I'm also keenly aware that Oz has a huge problem with collectors naming things that are already named so that has probably clouded my judgment somewhat. In any case, I will keep it as 'Ruby Gold,' but this issue is not resolved for me, and I probably won't be convinced one way or the other until I see them both side by side. I may have to order a GCCC to get to the bottom of this! Stubborn, aren't I? Yeah, I'm a pain. I know;-)
Clare,
LOL-- I have to say though that I do feed the same fertilizers, use the same soil, and, have the same micro-climate throughout my property. These plants grow within a few feet of one another and are appx. the same age and height. I have yet to see GCCC get as dark as RG, or, bloom so prolifically as GCCC. Now, what might be possible here is that one is a seedling of the other. Yes, you are stubborn dear, but I hardly think I anyone who has the right fault someone else for that now, am I? Heheheheheh ;-)
Maybe next year I will have a cutting of GCCC I can send you and I'll let you put them to the test. :)
I do trust your judgment and respect your analysis and viewpoint, Brad. You're a peach to put up with me. I have so few friends that I probably shouldn't annoy the ones that I do have, and so I am grateful for the ones who put up with me:-) Winter is coming, and there is lots to do so I may have to take a break from plumies myself for a while and put my inquiring mind to better use;-) ((("Oh, thank God," Brad thinks to himself!))) LOL!
Clare,
I always thought you should study to be a lawyer. You have the tenacity and patience to dissect and sift through information, as well as the determination to pursue what you think is right regardless of any resistance. You'd make one hell of a prosecuting attorney! LOL
I hate winter but it affords me a nice little break I need about now. Putting the plumies to bed is not fun, but knowing they shall bloom even more next year because they are so much bigger is something to relish in the coming spring. I am going to have a lot of new 25-40 gallon pots next year.
BTW--those pics you sent me of your yard----my dear, you should charge a small admission fee and give tours! Nice!
Brad