Morning Glories 2005 #28

My 'Hige' is still blooming for me
I assume 'Hige' is short for 'Akahigezaki' ?

Anyone know the difference between 'Hige' and 'Sunrise Serenade' - or are they the same?

Thanks for any information,
Emma

Another Photo

Back Shot of Bloom

Another note of interest that I also wanted to mention is that my 'Hige' BLOOMED ALL DAY for me - even when the temp was HOT!

Gorgeous, Emma! I luv the back shot of the bloom.
:) Donna

Thanks Donna,
I've really enjoyed these blooms this year - and the back of the bloom is almost as pretty as the front.

Another thing that I just thought about in comparing the 'Hige' to 'Sunrise Serenade', at least in my experience, is that the 'Hige' blooms profusely and 'Sunrise Serenade' blooms barely. Don't even think I have but a couple of seed pods from my SS and my 'Hige' is loaded with seed pods.

Emma

I'm sure Ron knows the answer to your question.
:) Donna

Emma, do you know if Hige is the same one that is sometimes called "Pink Feather"? How large are th blooms? Your shots of it are beautiful. I have some seeds that are call pink feathered and will have to try them next year after seeing your photos.

Susan

Absolutely stunning, their sooooo pretty. Thank you for the pictures, I got'sta get some of those!.


Bill

What a beautiful Flower you got there. I hope I identified my seeds wrong and that it is this beauty I bought seeds of. Is the colour as pink cerise colour as the last two pics show or is it more red as the first picture. I got some seeds from an unnamed that's either Hige or Sunrise Serenade.
Janett

Susan,

I'm not sure if 'Hige' and 'Pink Feather' are the same, however, the 'Hige' IS a Feathered Bloom.
The color is a Vibrant 'Scarlet Red-Rose'
Another color description might be 'Fuchsia'
The blooms to me seem a bit larger than 'Sunrise Serenade' and they also seem to be more 'fluffy'. Also the size seems to vary to a minor extent - but I would guess 2" to 3" blooms.

Emma

Emma lovely shots! I grew both at one time or another, and I would agree, my seeds I originally rec'd from Dinu were "hige" and they continue to amaze me with how very profuse they bloom here for me!!!!

I have never grown them up close and personal like near each other but perhaps I will do that next year for comparison purposes, but I tend to agree with you, that the sunrise serenade didn't bloom as much nor set as much seed?

Again great shots, you've some beauties!!!

Thanks Laurrie for that input.
I have some other seeds of 'Sunrise Senerade' that I ordered and want to grow next year and see how they do as well. My 'Hige' really is a great bloomer.

Emma

I have Hige too and love it. So much different from other MG's.

Happy Thanksgiving To Everyone!

Happy Thanksgiving to you too Ron,
.....and Everyone.

We miss you Ron

Emma

Happy Thanksgiving ;

Happy Thanksgiving to one and all!!

Okay,Now I'm going to try to catch up on some past questions and posts...

Emma - I took a look at the photos of the suppossed Summer Skies being offered on e-bay and I personally do not think they are Summer Skies.

I grew the Ipomoea tricolor cultivar "Summer Skies" for 6 years from 1972 thru 1977 and I very clearly remember what they looked like.

The "Summer Skies" that I grew I obtained from Redwood City Seed Company in CA and the seeds of the "Summer Skies" were a light beige color,as were the seeds of the "Flying Saucers" and the "Blue Star" cultivars at that time.

The "Summer Skies" I grew over the 6 year period were planted on supports separated from the other cultivars and also in mixed groups,so that I had blooms of "Heavenly Blue","Blue Star" and "Summer Skies" right next to each other for extremely close side-by-side comparison of the color characteristics...

The color of the "Heavenly Blue" was always of a more 'solid' appearence as compared to the color of both the "Blue Star" and "Summer Skies" ,which had a more quasi-transparent quality to it...
and the "Blue Star" still displays the same difference in the quality of the color and does NOT look simply like a 'diluted' or pale "Heavenly Blue"...The original "Summer Skies" had light beige colored seeds,just like the light seeds of "Blue Star".

I can see how someone who has not grown the original "Summer Skies" first hand could think that it was simply a diluted "Heavenly Blue",but I had first hand experience with both growing and comparing the "Summer Skies" to the other Ipomoea tricolor cultivars and "Summer Skies" looked EXACTLY(!) like the "Blue Star" except that there was no hint of any star in the bloom creases at all.

The "Blue Star" and "Flying Saucers" were made available again commercially after being unavailable for about 13 years,and appeared in dark seeded forms,whereas the earlier strains of these cultivars were always light seeded,but the "Summer Skies" did not re-appear in any re-issued form.

I have made mention of the different colors of the "Heavenly Blue",including "Clarkes" and the 'improved' darker color in this thread here

scroll down to my response to the question posed by Emma
http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/553228/

I have noticed that the "Flying Saucers" that I grew this year from light seed had little to no pigment on any of the stems,but the "Flying Saucers" from the dark seeds did have pigment on the stems...additionally, the light seeded FS flowered earlier for me.

I have not yet done a recent side by side comparison of the light and dark seeded forms of the "Blue Star" to take note of any stem pigmentation differences that may be present from plants resultant from seeds of different color.


The "Sunrise Serenade" question is a good one that may require some time and photographs to clarify properly,but I will offer my experience regarding the "Sunrise Serenade" as compared to the more common 'Hige' types.
My perspective is that the SS is a type of hige that was made available in the US before other hige types and that the SS was selected for certain characteristics by the Mandeville Seed Co.,who takes the credit for 'developing' the SS.
Sunrise Serenade has a bloom that is usually about 2.5 inches,with some blooms being slightly smaller(2") or less commonly larger(3"),and the SS cultivar can produce plants that range from early to late flowering in addition to variations in the structure of the blooms.
The Blooms of SS may start out as single petaled and progress to semi-double and then to fully double petaled as the plant matures,or it may be fully doubled when it first flowers,the differences as to when the fully double blooms present and the differences in the start of the flowering can vary with different strains of this cultivar.
The structure of the bloom petals can vary,from petals that have a very smooth rounded top portion with a very slender stalk that gives each petal a 'lollipop' type of look,almost identical to the shape of the petals on some nasturtiums,or the petals can have a different shape that look more simply like a corolla that has split into sections ,but with a somewhat ruffled upper edge to the petals...the 'nicest' blooms of either petal type have a very balanced full thick type of appearence when fully double,which the usual higes most often lack,appearing less full bodied and most often with a 'straggly' appearence to the blooms...although there are higes that can appear very thick/full ...

Remember that both SS and hige types are Ipomoea purpurea that will cross fertilize,crossed admixtures of both SS and higes are going to be common,as well as SS that may have lost their original 'typiness'...

The distinguishing characters of "Sunrise Serenade" as compared to the many similar hige types may be challenging,but the relatively small size of the SS coupled with the very full appearing double petaled look is a factor to keep in mind.
The original "Sunrise Serenade" was available in the reddish color most often seen today and also in a pink and blue form.

I personally like the very full 'lollipop' shape petaled form,as I find this shape to be very interestingly distinctive
.
I had commented on split petaled Ipomoea purpurea somewhat in this reply here
http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/541704/

Remember that hige type plants can skip a generation related to the production of single or double flowered blooms.

Fertility in plants can be reduced as a result of too much 'line' breeding with not enough 'outcrossing' to other plants of the same type,as too much 'line' breeding results in genetics that are' too close',somewhat analagous to clones,and the remedy for increased fertility is to 'outcross' to add the necessary genetic diversity.


You had asked for a comment on this white flowered Ipomoea nil plant pictured here
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=1863026

I do not immediately recognize it as being of any particular cultivar,but remeber that many cultivars can mutate into white forms...

Zem - You had made some observations regarding the unusual 'fusing' of some bloom parts on plants near the end of their life cycle and when the weather was getting colder here

"..The poor thing seems to have lost the ability to distinguish between rays and sepals!?"...
incomplete differentiation of the bloom tissues
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=1862482
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=1862483

anther fused to petal...(like is usual in some plants like day lillies)
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=1866696


Remember that flower petals and other reproductive parts start as modified leaves and when the life of the plant 'winds down' or is affected by anything that alters the bloom,the result can be incomplete developement and/or lack of differentiation in the usually clearly differentiated plant tissues...the resultant 'fusing' is actually the absence of separation and full differentiation...

You had also posted a picture of what you mentioned as fully dried Ipomoea coccinea seedpods here
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=1864364

The picture of the dried seedpods may be the 'Orange Noah' as the Ipomoea coccinea type 'Orange Noah' has seedpod pedicels that always reflex to point down towards the ground,while regular Ipomoea coccinea seedpod pedicels reflex either fully 180 degrees or only partially reflex at least at a 90 degree angle...
the calyx of Ipomoea coccinea is 6-8 mm long and the pedicel shows thickening after fertilization similar to that of Ipomoea purpurea.
Ipomoea hederifolia seedpods usually remain fully erect,...
the entire calyx of Ipomoea hederifolia is 4-4.5 mm long and the pedicel does not usually exhibit the same type of thickening after fertilization that Ipomoea coccinea displays.

The presence or absence of the seedpod pedicel reflexing or not is an important key in identifying Convolvulaceae species and is most usually either clearly present or absent in the vast majority of species,but the Ipomoea coccinea,along with other very closely related species like Ipomoea hederifolia and Ipomoea cristulata are the upsetting 'apples' to the otherwise usually stable 'apple cart' when pedicel seedpod reflexure they display is not always distinctly fully present or absent.

I am hoping to be able to add some additional identification characteristics to the PLantFiles database this forthcoming season, such as sepal shape and width along with pedicel length for Ipomoea coccinea,Ipomoea hederifolia,Ipomoea cristulata and other very closely related species.

Hope something I mentioned is helpful to someone...

TTY,...

Ron



This message was edited Sep 10, 2007 5:23 PM

Ron,
YES! Very helpful....
Thank you for all of the great information.

Emma

I thought I'd mention,for those who may be interested, that there is a 'Round Robin' for JMG's going on at the GW here
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/roundrobin/msg110844144816.html?16

TTY'all,...

I tried to find a cute way to thank Ron for his edification and plugged the word "ignorance" into http://www.bartleby.com/eliot/index3.html
The closest I can find is e e cummings' quote "all ignorance toboggans into know and trudges up to ignorance again."
Thank you Ron - the corolla of my ignorance is starting to look like a well shredded hige with all this tobogganing.
karen

Well, "You're Either On The Bus(!),or Off" - Ken Kesey (author One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest)
We're all in for a ride...

ROFL - If my hige corolla were a hige wig, all would be most askew about now

Ron, I'm driving the bus LOL.

" Drat, I misssed the bus again " LOL

Hey everybody -
Lookie what I found.

I already have my plants tucked away in my outside building to over-winter and yesterday I found 'BUDS' on my Bright Yellow Ipomoea ochracea.

This is a 2 year old vine and I felt like if I was going to get blooms, it would be this year. And, yep Several Buds. I only hope they will go ahead and bloom in that building.

Emma

Closer up of one of the 'Buds'

Nice to see a budding relationship growing with your plants, Emma.

(sorry...too much coffee this morning LOL).

Congrats on the buds Emma, it's a beautiful year!!!

Thank you Joseph and Laurrie,

Emma

Gerris, you've ruined my relationship with my keyboard - it doesn't need watering with coffee - LOL. What a treat this time of year, Emma - thank you. Do you dig your MGs into the ground inside your outside building, or keep them in their pots? How cold does it get in there over the winter?

Thanks, bluespiral, I am homozygous dominant for the blarney trait LOL.

I never saw a MOrning Glory that looked like that. That is awesome. Where do you find Morning Glory seeds that produce that kind of flower? If I were to search it out on Google, would I look for "Hige"? or Morning Glory, sub, Hige?

I'd love to grow those next spring. I've always planted the big blue ones and after seeing yours, I've come to the conclusion, it's time for a change. :)

Thanks Emma.

Darrell

Hi Karen,
The MG's that I am over-wintering are in pots.
The outside detached building that I use, since I do not have a GH, is a regular building. It has electricity, so I am able to keep it warm when it gets cold here. We don't have that many days that reach freezing, but enough that I have to have a place for ALL of my container plants. We have already had one day last week that got down to 28 degrees. Today it was a beautiful 79 degrees. Crazy weather here in Texas. I always say if you don't like it just hang around, it WILL change. One day freezing, and the next day you are wearing shorts. Go figure!

Emma

Darell,

warning to you. Morning Glory growing can be addictive :) Once you see too many of the awesome pictures on this forum you might just develop a need for more seeds and then..... *high pitched screaming* They'll take over your garden! lol! It's happened to me. A year or so ago, I thought heavenly blue, star of yelta etc. were the limits of Morning glories. Boy has that changed. It could happen to you! lol.

consider yourself warned:)

-Zem

ipomania Noun. (eye-poh-may-nee-uh)
the obsessive need for more morning glories. some symptoms are the vanishing of you're house under vines, trellises popping up in unusual places. Learning the happy dance and doing it every time you recieve new morning glory seeds. And an addiction to trading.


This message was edited Nov 27, 2005 9:08 PM

You forgot about the delusions during the daytime and dreaming at night part, Zem. LOL

ohhh, yeah! lol! syptoms of advanced cases. other advanced syptoms include feelings of withdrawl during the winter months, hallucinations, nightmares about every worst case seed destroying situation, dreaming constantly of more glories and in some cases talking to your vines :)

-Zem

LOLOL such a fun thread!! I come back to these forever, just to look at the beauties!

Darrell,
THEN, the ONLY way to cure your 'addiction' is to BUY MORE Morning Glory seeds.
THEN, MORE & MORE & MORE.....
It is neverending.
But it is fun!

Emma

PS:
No one answered your question.
Search
Feathered Morning Glory
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2003-35,GGLD:en&q=%27Feathered+Morning+Glory%27

and
Hige Morning Glory
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2003-35,GGLD:en&q=%27Hige+Morning+Glory%27