Sherry, not a problem, my friend. I googled it and found it on-line at the site you posted, matter of fact. I thought it would be readily available here with so many research labs in town, but NOT! I only found one place that would order it for me and they wanted $35 plus a $50 shipping charge for HazMat. Ummmm... sorry, don't think so! Anyway, it should be here either today or Monday.
This bubbler thing is fantastic! I put a Hoya in one because I was sure it was a goner.. it has roots about 1/4" long on the stem! Who Hoo!!!!!
Barb
Bubberling again
Boojum, I remember when Sue did that. She is a fantastic gardener. I was so impressed!! Please keep us updated on their progress but it sounds like you found a great method for you!
I have been using H2O2 lately also, thanks to Sherry, Jeanette and Randy. I bought the 35% at a hydroponics store. I am telling you they have everything!! Check out your yellow pages and see if you have any in your town. I am so impressed with mine. I just hope the FBI does not film their customers exiting. LOL
Anyone know how much of H202 to use if it's the kind they sell at drug store ? I have gone up to 3 drops in a glass and nothing . I put it in dirt - going to leave town for a week and didn't want it to root .
My Bubbler holds about two gallons of water I fill the bottle cap and put in, that's about 1/2 a teaspoon.
tonyjr according to this site http://educate-yourself.org/cancer/benefitsofhydrogenperozide17jul03.shtml It gives the following dilution rate (info copied from the web site)
Helps Plants
It is this hydrogen peroxide in rainwater that makes it so much more effective than tap water when given to plants. With the increased levels of atmospheric pollution, however, greater amounts of H202 react with air-borne toxins and never reach the ground. To compensate for this, many farmers have been increasing crop yields by spraying them with diluted hydrogen peroxide (5 to 16 ounces of 35% mixed with 20 gallons of water per acre). You can achieve the same beneficial effect with your house plants by adding 1 ounce of 3% hydrogen peroxide (or 16 drops of 35% solution) to every quart of water you give your plants. (It can also be made into an excellent safe insecticide. Simply spray your plants with 8 ounces of 3% peroxide mixed with 8 ounces of white sugar and one gallon of water.)
Here is some more info
http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/423524/
tony, the H202 has to be 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide. I purchased mine from:
http://www.dfwx.com/h2o2.htm
Directions for use with plants are also on the site. The amount Doris is using is about right. Food grade H202 is powerful. I use it for lots of stuff, including washing clothes and dog beds, whelping blankets. I bought a gallon that came in about six smaller containers, and since I've been using it, I've only opened one bottle and half of it is still remaining. A gallon was expensive, if I had it to do again, I'd purchase a smaller container. There are TONS of uses. Good luck!!!
Sherry, does that mean the 3% pharmacy grade is not for plants? Thanks
No, begoniac, I used that grade early on, but not in the bubbler, but for bugs, I think, I've really forgotten. I use the 35% food grade, only, in my bubbler, which only takes a little, LOTS of the 3% would be necessary to reach the strength of the 35%. Maybe there is someone here that knows more about the 3% and will reply to your question...
Ive been using the 3% for about two weeks now. Since I'm a neophyte brug owner (and h202 user), and I had read about it somewhere here on DG, I thought what the heck, My first cutting went into a jar in the kitchen window. After about 3 days I added a cap ful of the 3% (waited three days because at the time I took the cutting, i didn't know about H202). I immediately saw bubbles (like Pelagrino sparkling water) and within a few days the bumps had really swelled. I've been changing the water every few days and have added some hoya and begonia cuttings to the water as well. So far everyone is happy and pushing roots.
Here's the other set up I made. It's a $5 dish shelf from KMart and a clear bucket ($3). I dug an old bubbler out of my aquarium supplies and added it yesterday after reading bubbler talk here in the brug forum. I have also added H202 to the water. So far every one is happy (i think)
These are really my first cuttings (a DG trade with great member!!) and it's good to try and experiment. Had I purchase all of these cuttings on eBay it would have cost me a small fortune. This way I can give it a try and I'm not out too much $.
I hope that what I'm doing is right. And it sounds like there is as many right ways to do it as there are brug growers. If the few adult brugs that I have were big enought to cut from, I would try the moss and plastic roll that I saw a link to here in the forum. Cant remember off hand which thread it was.
I just want to thank all the brug growers here in the brug forum for showing me the light. Had I known how easy these are I would have been addicted much earlier on! Thanks for listing all the advise and info.
Cheers,
Lali
I have the 3% pharmacy grade , does that mean the 3% pharmacy grade is not for plants?
You can achieve the same beneficial effect with your house plants by adding 1 ounce of 3% hydrogen peroxide (or 16 drops of 35% solution) to every quart of water you give your plants.
128 oz = 1 gallon
1 ounce of 3% hydrogen peroxide to every quart of water you give your plants.
The bottle I bought has 16 oz .
4 quarts in a gallon .
4 oz in a gallon
so I need to find a 4 oz container and a gallon mike bottle ?
This explains why it didn't work - I'll go to to Target today - its the closest .
Does this make since / right ?
Thank you everyone
I am the wrong one to ask about rooting in water, but I am lazy so I often put cuttings in water till I get it together to pot them up. I have been using the 3% too, Tony. I have the other but have not opened it yet. Sherry says it is so strong you need to be real careful with it. I will no doubt spill it all immediately!
Anyway, I just pour a lot in my cups. It makes the water bubble immediately! It is neat. Dom Perignon for brugs!
I also have sprayed it full strength (3%) on my brugs outside. I read a whole thing on it online some where when I googled it. Made me want to bath my brugs in it. LOL. I will say this, I had been having lots of trouble with a special brug. She was dropping her leaves and her pods. After I spray a few times with full strength right out of the bottle 3% H2O2, she got cured and I had been playing taps for her!!! I also sprayed with a fungicide a few days later, so who knows!! LOL
Thanks for the info begonia. I have been using the 3% from the pharmacy for a couple of years when I water my plants and also when I start my seeds. It definitely helps the seedlings. I wonder how the sugar works for the insecticide solution. Does anyone know?
:) Donna
Kell is correct H202 35% human grade, is VERY strong. If you will take a piece of black or dark cotton cloth, and drop a single drop it, it will turn white quickly. I bought one gallon, on line, and I didn't start using it until about the end of March or April, just don't remember and too comfortable to check. In the time since then, I've used approximately 3/4th to 1 cup. And, I use it at least as much with my animals as I do with flowers. I use it to water plants in pots, but NOT brugs planted in the ground. Reason being that I have better soil than purchased and the H202 removes bad stuff in the soil, and might remove the good stuff too.
begonia, your set up is great, you are going to have some fun, hey, it's even exciting for me, doesn't take much, ya know, lol!! One question - how are you going to get them out when they root?? Wire pliers??
DOH! hadn't thought about that. I guess I could root prune them? I do that to the spider plants and aloe all the time. They purr....maybe these brugs will too?
begonia, should I bring my aloe to the GH for the winter?? I cannot remember if it freezes. I'm looking at three I'm going to pot up today and even the smallest one wouldn't fit through those spaces. I'm NOT going to root prune, lol, and I hope these grow slowly or I will be out of space before I even get going, I have brugs every place. Yours will turn out great - IMO, one cannot learn too much and hands on experience is the best way to go and you are headed in the right direction...
I don't bring all of my aloe inside, some are in the greenhouse by default (i.e. I just never move them) but some are outside. I have had my Aloe Vera freeze so If you aren't sure, bring them in. I think that because they are so 'juicy' inside the leaves that it makes them vulnerable.
My Aloe just about double in size each year, some are faster some are slower. They like our hot dry summers, we dont get any rain from late May to mid October.
My kitchen window brugs have 3/16" roots this morning when I checked on them. So the glass of water with a cap of H202 works - at least for the b. candida dbl white and just plain ol' pink - no id.
I suppose it's time to pot them up?
begonia, I've potted the up when they show roots and I've left some in the bubbler for months before i pot up. Only difference I've found is that if I pot up in the spring, they grow quicker than they do when I pot up in the fall. For me, it depends on how much space I will have, which is very little this year. Tanks, re the aloe, it's been years since I've grown it and I always had it in the kitchen, so I figured it would freeze. Mine is in strawberry pot and I hate to remove it, and might leave it since the pot would look so 'over' and just get new in the spring, it's a nice plant that I had almost forgotten, we used it for burns and scrapes and it worked...
If you leave yours out, and it freezes, dmail me, I'm practically throwing them away. I have A. nobilis and have some 5gal potts that cant even stay upright due to so many pups and the fact that they have rooted them selves out of the pot. Just contact me in the spring and I'll send some along.
Last week I shipped 6 boxes of misc succulents and aloe I don't have room in the greenhouse for too many and I just hate to toss them. so got some good trades (all those brugs in the photo) in return. But the aloe nobilis is a big one. this photo shows some I divided this summer. Believe it or not, those came from just two one gallon cans. I couldnt hardly water them, they kept falling over. Those are 14 inch pots plus I have another that isn't in the photo and put that much more in the ground. They grow quick and I have TONS of pups! Happy to send some along now or in the spring.
Cheers!
p.s. I think that since my greenhouse is heated, I'll pot them up in small 4" until spring, that will give them some time to root out and in the spring I'll transplant to 5 gal cans or larger. One lesson learned here (thanks kell) is that they really don't want to grow all season in a 4" pot! Duh! I was amazed at the growth once I transplanted into 10 and 12 in pots. Now they will all go into 5 gal or larger.
begonia, have you ever put your brugs in the ground??
Never. I have one that is 3 years old. DH bought it for me and it froze completely. It was in a huge clay pot (I think its about 24") Anyway, I was ready to chuck it in the compost when all of a sudden I see green! So I figured it was coming back from the roots. At the time, I assumed it was like a fruit tree or rose, and was 'grafted' and that was was coming back was the rootstock. (keep in mind, this was 3 yrs ago and pre DG days and I knew nothing...) So I left it and decided I'd just wait it out and see what the 'rootstock' produced. (you know how a grafted rose will bring that small single red rose when the graft dies?) anyway, end of summer came and she popped out with a half a dozen blooms! She froze again, and same story. So last year she went into the greenhouse and pushed foliage much earlier.
I'm much colder than kell even tho we are in the same 'zone'. I am in a microclimate that puts me down to mid to hi 20's. I'm surrounded by vineyards and I can hear the wind machines going off in the middle of the night all the time (frost protection for the grape vines... must protect the wine!!!)
I have actually seen an enormous brug nearby (about 7 miles away) that was 15' tall and loaded! BUT it was in the foothills and up against a house with an overhang. I dont think the frost settles that high.
Now that I have a few in my collection, I might plant one as an experiment. I'm sure it will have to come from the ground up each year, but at least it will have LOTS of loam soil to root out in. (plus I can throw a sheet over it and spray with cloud cover)
Please experiment, I think you will be surprised. I mulch mine heavily and let them go - if they don't come back, I don't need them. Last year Culebra was in a pot and I didn't know it until the spring, but she was out all winter in a 2 gal pot and made it. She's in the ground this year but I didn't get her out until late.
It's about that time again so I thought I would bump up this thread for the newbies.
Judy
Argh! I don't like cutting... but alas, I am NOT in denial anymore, I'm hoping for at least 3 more weeks grow time. I just use a 5 gal bucket (or 2) with an airstone. Have some Pink Beauty sitting on the deck steps in a bucket now..(storm). They've been in there a couple weeks and are all nubbed up and putting out roots.
I did the bubbler last year and around February they started to rot...I think it may be that I didnt change the water as much..I know the cuttings I took and just let them stay in the cooler room did alot better....I will try it again this year but maybe put them all where they dont get over 50 degrees.....Judy
Judy, I've read information on other threads that confirms your thoughts that the lower temperature is best.
Judy
Well then Im going to put them all out in the breezeway this winter...I sure did lose alot of cuttings and was sick about it....alot were bought on ebay and were really expensive......I sure dont want to make that mistake again...Judy
Ix-nay, what I said about keeping mine separate. I won't be doing that this year. I'll use two or three 18 inch x 2 feet aquariums. I'll sit them end to end on a GH wall, outta the way. Toss them with some H202 & SuperThrive, several bubbler stones and enjoy being away from them until spring. I changed the water a couple of times last winter because it got hot a couple of times and I failed to open the windows after I used a bug bomb. I hate changing the water and it seems, if it needs it, it is after a warm spell, when it is freezing again, so I don't do a great job and i don't do it often. I have more trouble with rooting when it's too hot, winter and early spring are the only times I root these days. IMO, it is a pretty good thing to find someone with weather similar to yours (a good place is someone in your own zone) and do what they do. The first year I tried things that just won't work in my area and finally learned that I have to do what will work here. As for the not putting different brugs in the same water, I'm not doing that again. I have two brugs I stuck in the same pot, never dreaming they would both live, I lost their tags but they are the same brug, and one has mites (or something) and the other is clean as a whistle. I have brugs in the ground like that too and I also know that if bees and butterflies can carry pests, bugs and disease, that all of mine have pretty much been infected with the same stuff - some of them catch it, some of them don't...if a brug looks really bad, I compost it...life is too short to have plants that don't like it where they live...
Just wanted to add, I never completely change the water, I just add more every couple weeks or so. I thought the airstones with the pump keep the water from going bad. I'm ashamed to admit, I had a few that were in that bucket for 2 years... just never got around to planting. The bucket stayed outside without the bubbler all summer, I did spritz it a few times with safer's soap and add water. I DON'T suggest anyone doing that, but they did stay alive and had nice fat rootballs.
Hmm .. my bubbler is down and dirty well not really dirty. Just a trash can, tubing, airstone and pump. I use boiled water to get the chlorine out and no other additives. Works great for me!
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