My Morning Glories 9/18/2005

lol, My first year (with JMGs) too. before this, I had only star of yelta... I haven't planted it for three years but it comes up everywhere!

-Zem

yelta gone insane

So, Zem, how do you tell star of yelta from the other blue/purple purpureas? I planted them all, and have no idea which are which!! LOL

Woofens - The color for the Star of Yelta is very deep dark purple. Probably the darkest of all the I. purpurea glories. Here is a photo from ours this year. Note the difference in color. The Yelta is the darkest one.
Dennis

This message was edited Sep 18, 2005 5:26 PM

I never grew any other yelta look-a-likes :) but I have seeds... I'll grow Kniola's Black and Purple next year, maybe I'll have a comparison.

-Zem

Good luck Zem. Let me know what you discover.

Dennis, I might DMail you some pics is that ok? Maybe you can tell them apart

Janis

Janis - Sure send them through. I'd be glad to look at them :)
Dennis

I don't believe there is any consistency in the names of the various blue Ipomoea purpurea and the names which with they are packaged and sold...I've grown blue purpureas my entire life and bought the Star of Yelta,Grandpa Ott's and Kniolas when they were made available...

The 'SOY' preceeded the others as far as commercial packaging and marketing...I first saw the 'Star of Yelta' name being used around the late 70's and this was marketed as a flower that showed a distinctly visible 'star' that was visible from a 'distance'...hence the 'star' in the name...some companies added an additional feature to the description,and that was that the flowers on this suppossed 'improved' cultivar stayed open longer than other cultivars of MG's...

The Kniolas were first offered by J.L.Hudson 1996(?) after Mr.Kniola supplied them with the seed he had collected from the farm in Kentucky,touting these as the very darkest of the Ipomoea purpureas...I grew the first batch that Hudson offered,and I found that the resultant flowers were inconsistent..some were definitely dark,but others ranged to a medium blue...and I found that unless continually selected for the darkest ones,that this strain had a tendency to get progressively lighter colored...

The Grandpa Ott's as first made available by the Seed Savers Exchange,had noticeably more fuschia in the throat and extending outwards onto the limb...this color feature can easily become lost(!),unless the flowers are selected for the original distinctive color features...the seeds of later offerrings I found to have not as much fuschia in the throats,despite the 'fact' that they were suppossed to have retained that feature through many years of open pollination with other purpureas...they may have retained the feature for awhile,when grown in a small isolated setting,but once the plants were exposed to the 'full' open pollination 'force' of the pollen from an increasing number of purpureas from the ever expanding MG 'boom' in the USA,the strain did not stay color true 'forever'...it can and does cross with the extremely large number of various Ipomoea purpureas that abound all around,and finding flowers with the very rich fuschia throat/throat area is no longer easy...it is my experience that the seeds currently offered by the Seed Savers exchange(and most other sources) do not exhibit the original distinctive coloration that I found in the very first offerrings from them,and the type has become virtually indistinguishable from the many(!) bluish-purple Ipomoea purpureas that I have seen for the 4+ decades that I've been growing and paying attention(!) to MG's...

The 'President Tyler' I have never found to be any different from the Star of Yelta coloration...and the genes for size differences in the blooms are present in any strain with appreciable size genetic diversity in the gene pool...I've seen size variations in all of the different MG colors...the smaller sizes are increasingly less common,because most people want bigger flowers...

Names like Carmen and 'Black Night' and Midnight Velvet are all very(!) recent marketing inventions...

I have never sold MG seeds,so I don't look at the plants with a 'mind' or an 'eye' for how to make it easier to market the color variations...I go by what I have actually seen/experienced and very clearly remember over the years that I have been growing them...I bought and collected seeds from local sources and mail order in the 60's and additionally enjoyed trading with people from around the world by the 70's via penpal magazines... family and friends would keep me in mind and let me know if they saw a MG somewhere that I might be interested in growing...

Everybody may have their own(!) experience(!) to go by and 'belief' systems may consequently vary(!)...

TTY,...

Ron



This message was edited Aug 20, 2006 6:35 AM

Janis, your blooms are spectacular!! I can only imagine what you will be doing next year!!

Can you tell me how you put your pictures together to make comparisons, I can't figure it out. I have Joyce Cobb that is all on one vine with so many different forms i want to put them together.

Looking forward to more pictures.
Ronnie

Wow you did a wonderful job. I love all your photos and I am soo glad you had so many blooms.
I hope we can trade some seed later Janis

Dee

Ron, thanks for the info, you know it is appreciated :)

Ronnie, I will dmail you about how to make the collage.

Dee, it would be an honor to trade seeds with you, I love your MG's

Thanks to everyone for the praise and encouragement, I love this forum :) Your comments make the growing and blooming worth it even more to me

Hugs,
Janis

Woofens. they are simply gorgeous
Janett

Janis, just looked back and this http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=1767541 looked a lot like pictures I have seen of JMG 'Hattie Bell'

-Zem

Janett, thanks so very much!!

Zem, that is great! Thanks alot, I"m gonna go search for Hattie Bell :)

Janis

Woofens. I googled that one, guess where I ended up rotflol.
Janett

What leaf shape does the unknown hattie bell maybe have? Are they variegated? http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/69512/index.html seems to show nonvariegated HB leaves that are very pointy.

-Zem