This plant was added by . . .

Since only the person who added a plant can edit that entry, one may want to dicuss it with them at times.
Yes? No? Don't care?

Yes.

I've added a couple of entries for plants I'm growing and did not exist in the PlantFiles prior to that. Give the best info I have to hand upon making the entry, but am always welcome to other comments/corrections.

I've also added some plants for other folks, filling in the initial details in hopes that they would complete them (with their own pics and comments and corrections on details I might've missed).

Yeh, that counts two; Tutti AND Frutti!

I like the idea too. I have added several plants, and if I made a mistake, I would want to know so I don't continue to make the same mistake with other plants of the same genus.

I also wish that adding the hybridizer and year of introduction were options. Many plants don't have that info, and nobody but the person that added the plant can add it. Other than the PF admins that is. We can add it as a neutral note, but it's just not the same.

I thought about this a bit more, and I know with iris, which is what I'm working on now, lots of times the person who added the plant didn't fill in any of the options. Therefore, I'm neutral about having the person who added the plant recognized. They may get bombarded with emails about options being wrong when they never even added them.

I do still wish we could add the hybridizer and year of introduction as an option though. :)

Try adding an entry, then editing the entry. You should be able to add hybridizer and year. :)

Paul, I realize you can do that if you are the one adding the plant to plantfiles. Where I wish we could add the hybridizer and year are in entries originally created by someone else.

Maybe Dave can figure out a way to make the hybridizer and introduction year completely separate from the other name fields (similar to the synonym inputs.) But unless he can do that, I can't see us opening up the name fields to ad hoc editing.

There's just too much potential for a huge mess if anyone/everyone could edit anything and everything. (I shudder to think how much damage could be done by someone who began editing willy-nilly....whether intentionally or not.)

Oh, I see. You were just saying you wish you could add that to entries that don't already have them. Hmm, well I guess the reason many don't have them is because you have to edit and it doesn't come up on the main "Add a New Plant" page...

EDIT: Hey, maybe you could do an edit, only instead of putting it on, it D-Mails the creator of the entry (or adder of the option) with the fact that someone thinks the info is wrong and should be changed to "_ _ _ _" the creator of the entry (or adder of the option), can then either disapprove, or approve the change. Sort of like an error report only the PF Mods don't have to handle it and the info that needs to be added is given. Then of course you could make the adder anonymous (thus avoiding possibly sticky situations).

My guess is that most people that add an entry will be willing to see that needed changes are made, and if they do just ignore it, you can always file a real error report...

That would probably be some work for Dave, but hey, if you're such a genius it's bound to happen. ;)

-Paul-

This message was edited Aug 29, 2005 1:38 PM

Paul!! This is what I get for having another programmer-type on the system; he knows my secrets and what one is capable of.

:-)

Well, an advanced system for this really would make a lot of sense, but if it was going to be done (and done really well) it would take a good couple weeks of work. Next time I'm at a big lull, Terry why don't you remind me about this idea?

Dave

LOL, Dave.
I sometimes want to write those who post pictures and ask they fill in the details. I know some are of others plants, so I don't
write. I take many pictures of others plants myself.
Thanks for having this wonderful site, Dave.
sidney

We have people that stopped adding pictures to PF because of the emails they where getting wanting to trade ect. I am can see the chaos it would cause if everybody could email people that added an entry to PF telling them to add information or whatever. As far as the plant itself if you want to discuss the images with the person that submitted the picture you have that option already.

Now the part about if Dave can figure out a way to make the hybridizer and introduction year where others can do it sure has my vote.

Yep!;)

Mystic, that's why I'm thinking of a more formal, less personal system. Someone could submit it and never know to whom it was going. You could even make the person receiving it not know who the person who sent it was. That way you never really feel like you need to approve anything unless it's really valid. Also, who would want to spam such an impersonal system?

Edited for typos

This message was edited Aug 31, 2005 8:57 AM

I agree with Mystic about members seeing who created which entry. There are some members who are no longer with us who have created entries and there are those who have been kind enough to create a substantial amount of entries who may be deluged by emails.

Paul, my concern even with some type of "blind" message/editing system is that people won't understand what it's for, and will use it - as they do our helpdesks - to ask for (and sometimes rather stridently demand) help in obtaining, growing, or eradicating a particular plant.

I do like the idea of another user being able to add hybridizer and/or year of introduction, similar to how subsequent readers can add a synonym without editing the original information.

Well, I was thinking of a more formal system than the helpdesk. Something where you don't have a chance to make a comment; you just make an edit similar to the edit that the original submitter could make, accept that it doesn't get uploaded until it's approved by the original submitter. It would be tricky making sure people understood how it worked and its intended useage, but it seems like there would be a way to do it...

Hmmmm. From a programming standpoint, I haven't a clue ;o)

From a practical standpoint, my reservation would be that if the original submitter has not visited DG in a long time, or their email address has changed, the edit would never be acted upon.

That would not work either. Ift he originall submitter doesnt come here any more it will never get approved, But you could let it go to an Admin instead.
Janett

I would think it would use D-Mail, rather than E-Mail, but that's true. If the member was inactive it would do no good, but my guess is that for a very large percentage of entries that isn't true. Anyway, it's better than letting anyone edit anything, and it seems better than giving someone no chance to change anything without using the "Report an Error" system.

EDIT: Tayson has a point; perhaps if the submitter never approves or disapproves an edit, it could go on to the PF Admins after a given amount of time.

This message was edited Aug 31, 2005 10:22 AM

I think the intention would be to add a hybridizer and year in an entry where the information wasn't present rather than replacing present information held on the PF. If the latter is required then it would probably need heldesk involvement.


This message was edited Aug 31, 2005 3:26 PM

Well, it was just a thought. I'll let Dave and the DG crew handle it from here. :)

In view of what has become of my simple question I am sorry I started this thread in the first place.
All I meant was as follows:
Each time you add a picture to a plant entry your name will appear beneath it.
(Guess who asked for that one a long time ago).
So, if that is alright with you, why would it not be ok to show your name when you are the one who initially added the plant?
Phew!

From my part Ulrich for the same reasons mentioned above. Many people just create the entry and nothing more, so if an admin drops by and changes a name or other members add bits and bobs of details you really can't tell if the original contributor has anything to do with the page in it's present state and sometimes the admins have to change an entry name quite soon after its creation.

With an image or comment it's more likely that the person has seen it growing or has grown it themselves, apart from moving or deleting a photo there is little that can be changed so it's a better starting place for dialogue.

The Error report puts me off to go thrue when its not an error, just an Addition
ex .I know this plant also grows wild in "this"colour.
The profilesqare in PF is very big. Can it be cut in smaller that ex. says
1.original profiled by 2. Additioned by
??? ????
?????
And on top of it. make an Addition button wher the errorbutton is
Janett

the secod row of ?? should have been under Additioned by tryed to fix with edit but could not get it right