That's beautiful Clare. I hope I can get mine to grow. The brugs have passed along some spidermites to most of them.
Garden Tour...Plumies and things
Darn those spider mites! I use Bayer's Advance Garden granules which get watered into the soil every six weeks or so. It is systemic and seems to work fairly well on mites. Avid works well too, which is a concentrate that can be mixed and sprayed.
Hello Clare, the branch that I got on my trip to california that I was asking you about leaf removal has bloomed one lone flower on it. I was shocked to see it. The flower looks just like the one above that says a white and a yellow both unnamed. I was really tickled to see it. It is putting on some new leaves already is that unusual. It has only been potted about 3 weeks now, maybe 4 cant remember. Tanarae
Hi Tanarae! Sometimes cuttings do bloom if they are taken from a flowering tree. The whites/yellows do root pretty quickly so the fact that you see new leaves means that it is rooting or starting to root. That's good news! The heat really helps to speed things along. I bet you will get lots of flowers next spring.
Hey Clare sorry to bother you again but I am going to recieve a batch of plumie cuttings in the next week or so and I would like the link to the plumie 101 thingy again if you have it. Thanks bunches. Tanarae
Tanarae, you could never bother me:-) Here it is: http://www.plumeria101.com/cuttings101.html Here is another good link too: http://www.mauiplumeriagardens.com/about_cuttings.php Anytime I can help, feel free to hollar for me.
Thanks bunches Clare, I saved it this time to my faves so I won't have to try to hunt it down again. I am very excited about recieving my new cuttings so I want to read up and be sure to be ready for them. Your plumies are so beautiful and great photos. My digital is on the fritz so I have got to get another one. There are so many beautiful photos on this site. I hope I can get a good one that will take closeups like they do on here. Thanks for sharing your photos and info. Tanarae
Tanarae, my pleasure:-) Thanks for the compliments:-) I'm sure you'll have lots of photos to share with us next spring.
Hopefully, we still have about a month of hot weather to help your cuttings (and mine) take root. I hope that it will remain hot through October here, as it sometimes does, but that may be too much to hope for. In fact, it was a pretty cool summer. We had June Gloom pretty much the whole month of June, which is not much help to the cuttings.
You might think about investing in a heating pad or something similar so, when it gets cool outside, you can bring your cuttings inside and continue to root them on a heating pad with artificial lights. That is what I intend to do and what I did last year.
Hi Clare, yep it will be warm here for atleast another month. Usually the first cold snap hits us around halloween. I will have to bring them in before then because nite temps will be lower then but can probly set them out during the day time. I have a large 2x4' heat mat that I use to germinate seedlings so I'm thinking I can keep them on that and let them root down good over the winter. Haven't had time to check out the 101 yet but am going to do that this morning and see what all I can learn. I grow alot of stuff from seed but really just got into cuttings this last year and plumies really the last few months. Right now I have 6, but only one is a named one. I ordered about 15 more cuttings so I am excited about them coming in soon. When I saw that full grown tree in california I was hooked! It was soooo beautiful and the smell, yummmmmy. Tanarae
Tanarae, that heating pad sounds perfect. I grow a lot of stuff from seed too. Soon, we will have you growing plumerias from seed! LOL! I have about 50 or 60 plumeria seedling right now. Most are about a year and a half, but some I just started a month or so ago.
The Plumeria 101 method for starting cuttings is a good method, but you can change it around if you wish. I don't use it anymore, but it is a sound method. Basically, I just use very well-draining soil which dries fast. I mist daily and water frequently as long as the cuttings are out in full sun. I watch them carefully for color change, softness, or wrinkles. When the soil is dry, I water lightly. Some people don't water or mist them as much, and they don't put them in full sun, opting for part sun or filtered sun instead. Both ways work just fine.
Some people use all Perlite or all sand and water frequently; some people use regular potting soil and don't water until they see leaves. Some people use 50 percent Perlite and 50 percent potting mix and have good luck with that. You'll have to see what you like the best. Plumeria 101's method can be your method or just a starting point.
I had to dig back because forums are so slow right now. Buuut.....
Clare, that deformed white up top looks like it could be a Bali whirl seedling eh?
I am also wondering if your Charles Grimaldi is kept in Filtered sun?
Ive been told its tempermental and doesnt like full sun, whats your experience with CG?
Hi Michael!
That deformed one eventually bloomed normally. I don't know why it did that with the first few flowers. You are right that it has a Bali Whirl look to it and could very well be a seedling of BW.
I have CG in full sun here, and it does just fine with a lot of water, but it will grow and flower just as easily in part sun, filtered sun, or even full shade. It is one of the more reliable bloomers, given a ton of fertilizer, but it does tend to look ugly and get yellow leaves in the winter cold so mine are not looking very attractive right now. I had a huge one that got a bad case of Stangelbrand/Fusarium/Tomato Spotted Wilted Virus and had to be dug up and removed. Nearly all of my B. suaveolens and multihybrids have come down with this Fusarium, and I just tossed my B. suaveolens variegata the other day, which was showing the black circles around the nodes. B. suaveolens and multihybrids with B. suaveolens genes are very susceptible to this Fusarium/Blight/Stem Rot, and I have lost twelve brugs so far to it. I have only one CG left and only one B. suaveolens left (Isabella), and I'll be watching them both very carefully this summer. Happily, none of my B. veriscolors, aureas, or x candidas seem to be susceptible to it.
Here is what it used to look like before it became infected:
Here is another pic of it from the other side:
Clare,
Your pics...wow!! I can't wait!!! Noticed your comments on the fragrance of Bouvardia longiflora. Just looked up the info on it..OMG now I'm in search of cuttings for that one a well. Reading your posts, Clare...I'm going to need AA for plant addictions...I'm telling you...LOL
King Kalakaua eh? Heard of that one...how do you like its scent?
I've got a Confederate Jasmine (3 gal pot) that I picked up in FL over Thanksgiving - been babying it until spring...come on spring!! I't's the only Jasmine that I've been able to find that will tolerate zone 7...grr!
My two plumie babys get tucked in each night with the electric blanket and then put in the sun for the day. I've adjusted the soil like you suggested...let the wait begin. I'm throwing a party when I see the first leaf. :)
Hope you're feeling well or at least better and the week back to work has been going smoothly for you! Mr. Kitty too!! You've been in our prayers!
Hugs,
Chantell
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Chantell,
There are several plumies that smell like Jasmine.
I personally hate the smell of Jasmine, it burns my sinuses terribly.
Samoan Fluff, Venezuelan Snowball and...... arrrrghh im stumped for the other at the moment..
Oh yeah, Hetty has an unknown white that smells like Jasmine too,
She may have more still.
There was a terrific deal going on with them.
There may be more also, im sure LOL!!
Malestrom = Michael...right? Trying to get ya'lls names straight. Thank you for the list. How can those sweet little Jasmine burn your nose? LOL You live in the land of Steak -n- Cheese WITH grilled onions for goodness sake!! What I would give for a good Steak -n- cheese!!! Moved down to VA from PA back in (mercy I sound old) 1976. OMG when we're north visiting relatives...PIZZA, Hoagies, and Steak-n-cheese...YUM-MEEEE! Ok...now I'm hungry...
Where was I...ah yes...the Plumie list...thank you...truly I'm gonna need a bigger deck when this is all down with...LOL
Thanks, Chantell. You are so nice! I am feeling better and thank you so much. I have tried to root Bouvardia longiflora from cuttings without any success. It did develop some tiny seed pods with even tinier seeds, and I am wondering if it is normally propagated by seeds. I didn't sow any, and they were tossed when I trimmed so I don't know if the seeds are viable or not. I got mine at Logee's if you are looking for it to purchase.
King Kalakaua was a disappointment for me. It was nice but very mild. I would recommend Samoan Fluff over KK as Michael said. Celadine is a must-have if you don't have that one yet. I think it has one of the best fragrances of all.
Confederate jasmine gets to be a monster in my area with trunks the size of trees, but it is a lovely fragrance. There were actually three growing here on this property before I took them out. I needed the room. Here's a picture of one before I took it out below.
Oh, my, gosh Steak-n-Cheese with grilled onions, pizza, hoagies...yummie is right! Now I'm hungry too! Michael has terrible asthma so he has to be careful with strong fragrances. There is only one jasmine that I can't stand because it is so strong: Cestrum nocturnum, Night-Blooming Jessamine. I had to get rid of mine.
It sounds like your plumies are getting the perfect treatment! Way to go!
Clare,
Very glad to hear you're feeling better. Logee's eh? I think that's what site came up when I did a search for Bouvardia longiflora . Are they an easy plant? I ask b/c I'd have to keep it inside during the winter. I don't think the Confederate Jasmine has a chance with our winters, to get tree like...let's hope not at least. LOL Your pic didn't show up... ?? :( I can only imagine thought with your wonderful weather.
As for Michael and the scent - I was just teasing...Michael, I hope you know I meant no disrespect. I have a 17 year old with asthma as well as my sister...I completely understand. And I did appreciate your suggestions!!
Need to go try and remove my foot from my mouth now...
Chantell
Hetty,
You're holding the Miami Rose for me and said you'd keep an eye out to see if any of your Gardenia Plumerias would be ready to go when the weather warmed up for shipping. :)
Chantell
LOL, Chantell! No worries, Mate! Michael is lovely and doesn't take anything personally and has a super good heart:-)
Yes, Bouvardia longiflora is an easy plant and would do fine inside in the winter. Mine stays outside all year, but I end up cutting it back and letting it do nothing for the winter.
Sorry about not posting the Confederate Jasmine picture. Here is one of them:
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This is the same vine:
This is the same vine too:
Here was the second planting of it that I took out:
Here is the third planting of this same vine, and come to think of it, it is still there:
clare
between the jasmine, frangipani, brunfelsia, and brugs i can only imagine the intoxicating smell of your yard. gorgeous pictures as well.
cass
Clare,
I think Alien would be more appropriate then vine - did you name it Seymor? LOL those are awesome pictures!!! Agree with cass...smell must be amazing!!
Sounds like there are those that think the Bouvardia longiflora smells like Jasmine - what do you think? Cuz...if it does...I'll pass...Lord knows I don't need to be dragging yet another plant back and forth into this small townhouse! :)
ALL:
Heard someone say that the Gardenia Plumerias fragrance had a somewhat cinnamon smell to them. Thoughts anyone?
AND - anyone hear of a LURLINE PLUMERIA? It was described as having a spicy fragrance....Clare, you know that gets my attention. I didn't see it on you list you posted....so was just wondering. Guess I'll be looking for: Samoan Fluff, Celadine & deciding on Gardenia. I gather if I had to pick one based on scent, Clare, you thnk Celadine?
100 questions...done for now...
Chantell
Thanks, Cass! It does smell wonderful outside. Here are a few more garden pics below.
Hi Chantell and thanks again! I wouldn't say that BL smells like jasmine. It is unique and hard to describe, but it is one of the best fragrances in my yard along with Michelia x alba. I personally will never be without this plant.
Chantell, some plumerias have a distinctly cinnamon smell to them, but I can't remember exactly which ones right now. I have gardenias so I'm not needing to find a plumeria which smells like a gardenia at this point. Every time I kill a gardenia, I just go buy a new one! LOL! I do know about Lurline and heard it is spicy, but I've not smelled one yet. I just ordered one from Florida Colors a little while ago. It is a beautiful flower also. Yes, I think Celadine is a must have. If I could only have one plumeria, that would probably be the one.
This is Hurricane and a unknown/unnamed pink rainbow:
Hurricane again:
This is a neighbor's white that I think could be Samoan Fluff:
This is a double white brugmansia:
Clare,
So sweet of you to be putting up pics with all that's going on! One more hug!!! I d-mailed you back.
Chantell
clare
your killing me over here. is the bouvardia the same or similar to the brunfelsia/lady of the night? the flower looks similar. that is one of my favorites i think it smells like vanilla and cloves.
keep the pictures coming. all of my plumerias are bare right now.
cass
Thanks, Chantell. I'm just trying to stay busy, guess. Thanks for the hug.
Hi Cass! LOL! Sorry to be killing you:-) Bouvardia is very different from Brunfelsia in appearance and in fragrance. I had a Brunfelsia jamaicensis that I just loved, but it died, but I do have a Brunfelsia americana which has the same scent that you just described, and that is lovely. Here is the Bouvardia below.
Sorry that last picture is kind of blurry. Here's a better one:
Here is the Brunfelsia that I used to have that smelled wonderful:
Clare,
Tried to edit my post earlier but it just wouldn't take...
IF I could keep a Gardenia alive I wouldn't look for something else that smells like them...so sad but I can't seem to keep them around for long. Guess I'll be ordering that plant afterall - gonna have to kick out a teenager so I'll have a room for plants...LOL. Your tree (from searching for it) sounds frost sensitive :( I'll have to imagine the fragrance from how you describe it. :) I have a Dwarf Magnolia in my front yard...never noticed any fragrance though but she makes up for it with her beautiful pink tulip-like blooms that cover her little self. :) Guess I'll be picking up a Celadine when the weather warms...LOL
More hugs....
Chantell
Thanks, Chantell, but no need to edit. All is well. Gardenias are a very fussy plant and hard to keep alive -- no doubt. I have yet to smell a plumeria which actually smells like a gardenia, but I know that there are plumerias being called "Gardenia," either because of the flower's appearance and/or because of the flower's fragrance. Yes, the Bouvardia is frost-sensitive and will have to be brought in for the winter for sure. That Magnolia that you describe is one of the ones that doesn't have a fragrance, but it is lovely. I love Magnolias too, and that classic Magnolia fragrance is one of my favorites. Hugs back, Clare
thanks clare now i will have to look for a bouvardia.
last summer i starting planting for frangrance.
chantell have you tried the tahitian gardenia with the yellow flower i have a very small one that hasn't flowered yet but the fragrance is incredible. i also just got a michelia alba, ylang ylang tree and a ylang ylang vine. none have flowered yet but when they do it will be heaven.
cassandra
Candela, I got my Bouvardia longiflora at Logee's. I definitely plant for fragrance as well. Michelia x alba is one of my favorites. My dwarf Ylang Ylang is blooming in the greenhouse, but it doesn't have much of a fragrance except for a musky smell. I am still waiting for my regular Ylang Ylang tree to flower, but it isn't quite mature enough yet. Your orchid is lovely.
