kell, wow. would this work with rose cuttings?
I'm a bubbler, he's a bubbler, wouldn't you like to be...
OH, cool, Kell - great little setup. It's a very interesting point about not mixing the types of cuttings. Someone else was wondering about this also (Blaine - are you there?) .. do you believe Kell, that if any of the cuttings have an undetected virus - that the other brugs would get it by sharing space in the bubbler? I did wonder about this when I set mine up, but what made me move forward was the discussions last fall about wintering over the brugs in buckets with the bubble stone. That method seemed very sucessful for those that tried it but wouldn't this pose the same risk? So maybe it would be smarter to separate by plant for this application and for the winter over??
I am very open to other's opinion about this. I am in no way offended and in fact, I am grateful to be corrected if there is a better or safer way to do something.
Diane Krny
Thanks Linda!! Good point. I will do that.
I will try one tonight for you Annapet and we shall see.
Diane, I have no first hand knowledge, but others with much more experience than I say it can be spread by sharing water, clippers or even just touching. That is why I will get a bigger plastic container, to separate them more.
Does anyone know how many valve thingies you can add to one pump? I got 2 with 4 outlets on each one. I need more. LOL
kell, thanks! next thing you know you need a bigger ROOM, not plastic container. it's a whole new laboratory.
it's a good thing i don't have cuttings readily available here (yet). i can just concentrate on the drip system for my roses.
What do you guys think about putting peroxide in your water? Do you think that would maybe kill any virus that any of them might have and therefore won't spread to the others?
As far as how many of those you can add, you will know when you over do your pump. They will all slow down and probabbly quit running. Then you might want to take them off one or 2 at a time until the pump gets steady again.
Jeanette
Kell, I have 1 with 1 outlet and 1 with 2 outlets. I usually put a T valve on each line giving me 2 & 4 lines
This little green cutting now has roots,
I like containers that I can see through, it's so much fun to watch them root! I have used H202 on rootings before I pot them up or put them in the ground. One of my bubblers was turned off by error and some cuttings got green slime or algae and the H202 cleaned them right up and they never missed a beat.
One word of caution - (I agree with LindaSC) this time of the year presents problems that I didn't have in the fall/winter/spring - I had two special cuttings in the bubbler and they were doing great, already had roots started after a very short time; however, we were struck with a heat/humidity storm that started right after I put them in dirt and they were not happy campers. I almost put them back in the bubbler, but I didn't and they are still having a difficult time getting going, so be very cautious if your temps have risen since you started them in the bubbler and, or when you put them in dirt...
Look at you guys go!
Kell, your set up looks like a mad scientist's lab. LOL I love it! Maybe you could engineer that purple brug they all want if they get you the right equipment. You could get a centrifuge and make it do double duty as a blender in your kitchen, so it wouldn't be wasted if the experiments failed. Maybe you could genetically engineer a Brug that talks, like Audrey. (The man eating plant in The Rocky Horror Picture Show. It's favorite expression was Feed me!!!)
I got 4 cuttings going last week via the bubbler. Yee Ha! I'm ready to experiment. LOL Maybe we ought to save this idea till Halloween.
Signed,
Crazy in Poway
Also known as Mary
First... I strongly recommend potting them up as soon as the nub get spikey. Then the actual roots shoot right into the potting medium and don't have to go through an adjustment period. Roots developed in water are not the same. When rooting pelargoniums in water, I found if I pot them as soon as they get a couple of roots they take off so much faster than the one I let grow lots of roots. Brugs have been the same way except their nubbies make it even easier. Every one I've done so far has had root tips at the drain holes in about 7 days.
Kell - since we have such a small amount of water here, even a small pump will run multiple lines. It's when you start running them to the bottom of a 55gal or larger aquarium that the water pressure versus pump size would be a problem. If you want an easy shopping trip... try That Fish Place (now That Pet Place)
Here's a link to the page with gang valves including a 5 way for 6.49. Plus this one you can adjust each line so you have equal flow or whatever.
http://www.thatpetplace.com/Products/KW/F03/PgNo/2/Class/Fish+Supplies+Air+Accessories/Shopay00.aspx
What are your temps and humidity like, Blaine?? I never had stress problems potting up until the heat/humidity hit this week, and of course it was when I potted up my two favs. Great timing, I knew I should have put them in the bubbler before I did...I believe they will make it but I knew better than to wait this late, and, at the least, I should have brought them inside until they were settled in...what size pots are you using to pot up, Blaine???
Sherrry, may I ask what you are putting in the bubbler now? I thought this was something you all set up for winter. If I were to start cuttings now I think I would feel like I had to keep them going through the winter?
Jeanette
So was it you Jeanette or Loretta who overwintered her brugs like this last winter. A great idea!!!
I do not know about Sherry Jeanette, but I have promised so many people brugs and need to get them going fast. I am tired of sending out cuttings and then having people have such a hard time getting them started. I thought I would try to root a bunch to send out. Plus I have to start getting out my hybrids to trial. I have been so lax. I am so overwhelmed just trying to get them all fed and watered and repooted. I have no time for much else.
LOL Crazy in Poway, I wish I could!!! So tell me (maybe again), where is Poway??
This is funny!! When I got home tonight which was very late (my rented plot watering night) , my DH just said what are you now doing to your brugs? Is that a Michael Jackson hyperbolic rooting chamber. LOL He is just so cute. So Diane, he is Diane neutral tonight. LOL
Thanks Blaine!!!!
I need to get a bigger plastic bin so they don't touch each other. But this is so much fun. I notice my DH turned it off before he went to bed. Is that OK??? Will the effect be lost? I have it set up in his bathroom tub. LOL.
One of mine is spitting all over.
I wouldn't turn it off.
But if you're want or need to... you've probably got a few timers around for turning your shop lights on/off for growing seeds inside. Just put a timer on it. You can get them with multiple stops/starts. I guess as long as you stir the water up good every couple of hours it'll allow the gas exchange.
The spitter... I'd almost bet that has the strongest airflow. Adding some water will probably reduce it unless you have controls on your gangvalve to adjust the airflow.
Good Wednesday Morning Brug Forum!!! Jeanette, I have two reasons for rooting now 1) just to see if I can and I'm finding it much more difficult than in the winter, I'm convinced it's the heat/humidity, and 2) all three that I started recently in the bubbler are 'special', Maya, and two that I'm growing out for pals. So, of all three of those, I want 'one, to grow on', a backup, because I'm going to put all three in the ground, and, just like having a backup in the winter bubbler, I want a back up rootings, before I put them in the ground. I don't need the bubbler now but I'm trying it out now, so I will know my limitations and which option is the best, at a particular time of the year.
I've never had a failure rooting in the bubbler, but, at this time of the year, only, the transition from bubbler to soil causes stress, the plants will live but they wilted and I had to take off most of their leaves - I have had none of this when I use the bubbler in cooler weather. I'm going back to my tomato success kit boxes for (((HOT/HUMID))) weather, until I start the bubblers back up, when we get the first cool weather break in the fall. I found the plants, in the heat/humidity, had less stress going from tomato kit to the ground, than I'm having now, going from bubbler to ground, at this time of the year ONLY. So, I will use the bubbler for 3/4ths of the year and tomato success kit for 1/4th of the year. I would think that those of you in cooler temps and less humidity and heat will be successful with the bubbler, whenever you use it.
Soon as I pot up the ones I've done outside, they go in the shade and/or get a 2 or 3litre soda bottle over it (with the top cut off) for a couple of days. Except one. That PC I did in the stock tank. The second day after potting I had taken it out of the shade for an hour of morning sun. I forgot and when I got home it was completely flattened. "ehhh, guess I screwed that up!" I just shoved it back against the wall and left it. 4 or 5 days later I thought I saw a little green tip in the center of the pot through the leaf mulch. Well here she comes. Got a shoot up about 2.5" from ground zero.
That's quite a set-up you have there, Kell. I love it!! Mine is in the gh, so the water gets too warm and I think the process would work much better inside with the AC. I've got to get me one of those multi valve outlets. Kell, do you have the little air stones on your tubes? I found that helped with the splashing. Also, I found that if the water level is not the same in all cups, the amount of air flow will be different (something to do with water pressure that I don't understand)
Blaine, none of my 'sticks' in the bubbler have had a single problem, because many didn't have leaves and they have leafed up great. However, not all of my logs are leafing - I've never done a log before, does it take logs longer??? Man, I wish I had known about the soda bottle, but they seem to be on their way now. Do you mean that you cut the pouring spout off the soda bottle and place what's left on top of the brug?? You only cut the top off the spout end, leaving the other end without being cut?? I guess I'll go buy a couple of liter Lime Cokes and try that out. Thanks!!!
Linda, I have blue airstones in the cups. I do not know what I expected them to look like but was surprised to see weird blue rectangles. I guess I had an image of round smooth stones with holes in the top. LOL Thanks for helping me. I usually need it. LOL
I checked them all today hoping for roots, none yet. LOL
Sherry - I cut the spout end off right about where it changes from the angled neck to the straight body. I keep a bunch of those around. You'll find pots that the bottle will just fit into. So before bubbling, if I had a cutting I'd want to root I'd push the soda bottle over it once I had it hormoned and potted. Miniature greenhouse.
I just did another mini-GH since the dirty aquariums have worked well - a wonderful DG member just sent me a bunch of daphne cuttings. I folded some left over fence wire into rectangular box open on one end about 2x2x2.5'. I had some very thick plastic bags DM had given. The cage just fit inside with enough left to close and rubberband. The flat of cuttings just fit the width and length of the cage. Closed it up then spray painted the top and half sides with some left over white paint for plastic. Set out in the straw under the cherry trees.
Kell,
I must say you have a very, verrrrrrrrrrry tolerant husband. I think I missed something. What kind of "cups" are you using? How big? You really lost me. you don't have an air stone in each cup do you?
Sherry, I guess I understand. I know about the humidity of the east coast, but I didn't realize you had the same. That you were that far east I guess is what I am saying. Guess I have to look at a map more often. huh. LOL
Our climate is very dry. Except for right now with so much rain. But, even with the rain we don't have a real high air humidity. Even in the winter it is very dry. The air. We just don't have a long hot summer. We have a short warm/hot summer. Even in Seattle which is more humid than I am, in eastern Washington, they are not humid like the east coast.
Kell, since you have so many on your list then if you were to add me to it you would hardly notice it would you???? Thanks if you can.
Jeanette
Hello, everyone!
Diane, thank you so much! I am blown away by the roots of the cuttings you sent. What an awesome surprise to get such gifts and it's not even my birthday yet.
They'll be treasured in my garden.
Hugs.
Just found thiss thread again looking for one on predator mite control. I know someone had a great link on one of these threads in the last month. I just can't find it
So any way, SO SORRY Jeanette, I never came back here so I never saw your post. I was using the 16 oz red plastic cups you can buy at Costco. I use them to pot up all my cuttings and even seedlings now. Disposable. I love them. Yes, I put a stone in each cup. That way the do not share water or germs.
What brugs were you looking for Jeanette? Email me.
HELP!!!!!!
I was so impressed with all this "Bubbler" talk that I went to WM and got me one--stones and tubing and all.
I had already taken some longish cuttings from all my Brugs and had them in a bucket outside in some shade by my picnic table. Just with water, they got white bumps within a week. I cahnged the water and put about a 1/4tsp of a "Starter" type liquid fertilizer in it. All was fine!
Then I decided that the cuttings were too long to root, and I re-cut them and used the pieces as "logs" in 7 pots. We'll see if they Take! I put the newly cut ends back in the water. They were fine.
Next day, I went and bought the bubbler stuff. Set it all up. Seemed fine the first day, and then this is what they looked like the next day!
I know they got a bit of slanted sun on them (they were under my patio roof on top of my picnic table) . I just brought the bucket inside and now have it in my guest bedroom on a tall flower stand.
Bubbler is bubbling.....
What is going on here????? Help!!! I will see if it has perked up overnight now that it is inside the cooler house.
Sun got them.
I haven't let them actually grow roots in water. Soon as the nubs start getting that spikey look, pot them. Keep them in shade though.
I personally don't add any fertilizer while bubbling.
I'd take the leafs off the floppers except for the ones around the tip. Then wait. They'll probably start to stand back up in a day or two and you'll be able to bend ever so slowly to get them straightened out a bit.
They will be fine Gitagal, just give them some time. When I cut mine this fall, I will strip the leaves, except for a small top knot, simply because the extra leaves will wilt anyway and so I don't have to pick them up from the GH floor. I added a little H202 to the bubbler, and a little Superthrive, but only a tiny bit, and that was ONLY because I left them there so long, several months without changing the water...keep us posted!!! BTW, this is fairly new territory, so please keep me posted as to how the bubbler works for you...and, Good Luck!!!
Hi, Gigagel - I'm with Sherry on this one too - they will be fine but do NOT let them be outside where they can get any sun at all - I would only put them outside if they were in complete shade and I too, would take off the extra leaves. When I did the cuttings (this was originally my thread on that) in my bubbler I didn't remove the leaves and the next day they looked like yours and I had mine in the cool dark basement under grow lights. I took off all the leaves except for a few tiny ones at the top and waited - they stiffened back up in about 2 days. Blaine has had excellent results from potting his up with just the nubbs which is certainly an option, but I liked leaving them in there and watching the roots grow. This winter I WILL be using this method to winter over some of my brugs. Others I will let go dormant in my Father in law's basement next door because it is cool but not freezing - my basement I use to grow my seedlings under lights as it is at 70 degrees all winter.
Diane Krny
Diane, just get the DH to bring in some more of those pillar and build a stone room out of them. He'd probablly get them to fit as flush as the Egyptians and be airtight. Better than an insulated garage probably. Let me know what he says when you ask. ;)
I have 3 or 4 branches (green but a little woody) off of a Trumpet Vine in a bubbler right now in my kitchen but it is so warm I don't know if it is going to work. They have already lost almost all of the leaves. I could have put them in my basement but even though it is cool down there , it is dark.
I might have done better to pot them up. What do you all think?
Jeanette
Maybe they don't root (well) in water anyway. I've been throwing different things in.. mostly with the same results as you're seeing with the trumpet.
Currently I've got a couple of echinacea cuttings outside. They haven't formed roots but 2 of the larger pieces have stayed green and retained leaves. When pruning roses, I hung a couple of pieces in the circulating stock tank. No roots but still green with leaves and they've been in there for several weeks now.
Hey, Blaine - I told John your suggestion for the pillars in the basement - he said unfortunately he has been notified by the authorities that no more stone can be brought onto the property as what we already have has begun to knock the earths rotation off it's axis...
:-)
Honestly, though - you know the outside walls of our house are 2ft thick as they consist of two rows of stone back to back. The stone is a very good insulator - it stays warm in the winter and cool for early spring..but once the heat gets in there like know (because of the 2 months of 90 deg weather) it's very hard to get it out again and cool the house.
Diane
Been using a bubbler and first had a lot of wilt on the cuttings. Especially on Coleus. Then i started adding H020 to the water. That cleared it up. You can do all kinds of cuttings using this method. Just watch the water level and keep it constant. If the water clouds up change it and check for rotting cuttings. Ted
TAR, I like H202 in the bubbler too!! It might not do a darned thing, but makes me feel like it's cleaner and healthier...
Well, Sherry & TA, do you think, even though the pieces of the Trumpet Vine are still nice and green and pliable, but no leaves, that there is no chance they will root?
Yes, I put peroxide in the water also. I will add more water and peroxide tonight. It has evaporated some.
Jeanette
Hi, All
I have just re-read this WHOLE post to see if I can get some more "smarts" on this whole Bubbler thing.
Today I will take all the cuttings out of my bucket and change the water. Maybe even the container. The ones that were limp are still limp. It has been 2 days since I posted that picture. Funny, but the ones that are the limp ones are both from my Dr. Seuss and they are both cuttings that have a big "Y" on them--so there are 4 tips that are hanging over the bucket. The other 2 cuttings from 2 other Brugs are fine.
I have a couple of questions:
Ted and Sherry--how much Peroxide do you use to how much water??? What REALLY are the benefits of it?
Blaine--I only added a smidge of Starter Fertilizer to the water because Dianne said, in her original post on this thread, that she added 1/4 cup to hers. That seems a lot! My thinking was that it may help roots to develop. I will not do that any more. Might try the Peroxide--depending on the answers I get to the above question.
I also have a suggestion to add to Kell's cup-method.
Since the cups are flared at the top, they do not really hold the cuttings upright, so they all touch anyway. One could use cut-off liter bottles (like Tonic water comes in--and others) and stand them up side by side in an aquarium or a high-edged plastic container with a small bubbler stone in each one. This way, the cuttings would sit up straight, supported by the sides of the bottles AND you could also see through them to check on root development--especially if they were in a glass tank.
I will also stick a toothpick in the bottom of my cuttings. That idea makes sense to me.
Thank you all! Gita
Jnette/Gita, the ONLY two plants I've rooted in the bubbler are brugs and corkscrew willow, and they both did great, the corkscrew willow has red roots and is fun. I use 1/2 ounce, food grade, 35% peroxide, per gallon of water, in the bubbler. I didn't start using it until I started getting the cuttings ready to pot up, but I will use it more this year. I had all my cuttings in a couple of containers last winter, and 'I think', I'm going to put like cuttings together this winter. I'm also NOT going to cut my cuttings as long as I did last year, they got in the way and they grow so quick, it doesn't matter, to me, if they are short. Course if you cut them too long, you can always cut them again after you get your bubbler going.
If I was you guys, I'd go ahead and get my bubbler going now, and play with it, find the containers you like best and go for it. I've used fruit jars, vases, trash containers, plastic bottle, etc. I don't like the plastic cups because mine fall over too easily, lots of dogs/kids around here. If you start now, you will be better prepared for possible obstacles when you HAVE to do it. I wish I had done that. I couldn't find bubbler stones until two or three weeks after I set mine up and I was just certain they would die, which was not the case at all. Last winter, I had two large trash containers with tons of tall cuttings, and two small containers with tons of short cuttings, all on one pump and it did fine. This year, I'll use at least two pumps and I will discard the big trash containers, and most likely use makeshift containers I already have, I like glass the best, so I can better see what's going on...
The 'correct' method of anything is the one that you feel comfortable with, get your first results from and believe in. There's many ways to accomplish the same end result in most things we do. Plants, diets, fishing, boiling a pot of water. If we both sit down to poached salmon, steamed broccoli and a boquet of double pink brugs it's all good. Even though you finessed that chinook out on the most delicate fly rod, use only organic methods in your veggie garden and rooted a coveted cutting from germany in a bubbler ... While I dynamited the creek, went through a 50gal drum of blue water crystals, did a little mid night shopping at Brugies and cooked the whole thing on the side of the road with water from the radiator after my getaway truck blew a fan belt and over heated.
pardon me while loosen the top button on my chinos. :)
8footbed--(are you really THAT tall and need an 8-foot bed???)
I like your philosophy on things!!!! REALLY! One should never get "bogged down" and "stressed out" about the "small stuff" in life! AMEN to you!!!
Seems that these Forums are full of it--including what I post.
To me--it is trying to gain all the information I can on something I am not familiar with (this is ONLY my second year with Brugs!), and then make my own decisions on what works for me and what does not.
I have worked too long with plants to worry about losing one. I can always go out and buy a new one! Now here, in Baltimore, Brugs are somewhat of an "unknown", so I am a bit more "apprehensive" about their care and propagation. Just want to do it right!
I must be! They are all doing beautifully this year!!!!
Gita
8ftbed, I loved your post. Especially about dynamiting the creek and cooking by the side of the road.,,bet the chinook would be good too!!