rj, what is the brug that you treated so nicely? Jeanette
Monika's book regarding soil
The equador pink, the one I posted up the thread a ways. I don't have too many varities, but the best performer for me has been the daybreak. I am going to put him in the ground and do the special treatment, right after this bloom cycle which is going on right now.
I'm becoming more fluent in Bruginese, and understanding what they're trying to tell me :)
Bruginese. LOL that's funny. You mean they are talking to you? Mine haven't talked to me yet but I sure gave them hell. I had planted Harrinhauser-Garten (Harry) and Charles (Charley) Grimaldi in the ground. The only ones directly in the ground. Several weeks went by and nothing. They just sat there.
So, I about had it because as I said, I have such a short growing season. So, I threatened to pull Harry out by his roots. Well, Charley who was planted about 10 feet away and hadn't been in the ground only about half as long as Harry, heard me. The next day I went out to get in the car and glanced over and I swear to you I am not lying, Harry was half again as big as he had been and Charley was several inches taller.
Could it have been the fertilizer I had also given them??? I think not. LOL
Bruginese huh? Guess whatever works. Jeanette
Sorry...late on this thread. If you are still looking for Black Volcanic Cinder...Awanda found some in the US Mainland...I'll ask her to chime in and give links. I grow everything in it (hehehe it's really all we have...smile)....
Great thread.
Carol
Hurry up Carol, my time is running out. It is August 3rd already!!! LOL
Jeanette
In fact Jeanette, I bet they're even yelling at me!
Glad Harry is shaping up.
I potted the girls today (Island Girls). I took pictures, and will try to take picture next week or two for comparison. This Brug type should be more suitable for pots for Houston, as they're a smaller size. I intend to put them in the front garden though next spring.
Rj
I know this thread is long but if anybody else comes down here and reads my question , I would be very appreciative....Where do you get Promix?..Ive been looking for a good soil to pot up my brugs....Ive been using Bayer potting soil and Im not real happy with it..Ive been using a commercial potting soil but it sure has gotten very course with lots of bark in it...Judy
Hi Judy, if you look at the dates under our names on the left you will see that this has been an ongoing thread. I get my ProMix from a regular nursery. You just have to check with them, maybe call around. I don't know of any of the chains that carry it. Most of the independent nurseries carry things like Whitney farms but if they carry an assortment then they will probably have Promix as one of them.
OR, do a google search using your state and city on the end. Gotta try everything. OR, email the manufacturer and ask for a local dealer. I do all of the above.
Jeanette
I have a Maya and I want to select another brug to place with her in rather a prominent setting. Who should I choose: Island Girl, Eternity, Harlot, Tropical Sunset, Sunkissed, CG or Daybreak? I know IG is rather small, but is she fragrant? All of these take my sun nicely, but I'd like a 'frequent bloomer', as well as small/fragrant. Thanks!! I have any number of seedlings, planted 2/22/05, that have buds, I am so excited, but it will be a while before they do bloom, and i never know when someone will be whacked by a limb...but we are at the time of the year that I can almost see them grow, it never ceases to amaze me...
Sherry, I thought you had plans all this week! Was surprised to see your message.
I think Tropical Sunset is probbly one of the most outstanding brugs I hve seen. Don't know about the smell and I relly don't know much about the other ones you listed other than Charley and he is always a winner.
Jeanette
Tropical Sunset is at the top of my list of great brugs and the smell is wonderful too....Judy
Thanks, Jeanette & Judy!!! I really want to know about the size of TS, I'm thinking she is huge. Rj, said Island Girl remains 'smaller', but I wonder if she smells. I have a landing, with seating area, where my fountain is, and I want it encircled with nice brugs, already has EP, VP, Tiara, 90-91 or something like that, which will be moved, and I will add Maya and two more. I really wish someone in my area would let me know which ones would be best. I might start a thread, but I hate to do it when there are already so many going and I haven't even read all that are here...
I have started making my nursery rounds looking for Rj's great finds. So far no luck. I am so unhappy with the soil mix I used this year. It doesn't hold moisture in for even a few hours. So odd. I wish I could remember what I mixed withthe Super Soil. After 30 years fo using Super Soil I am definitely stopping, I no longer find it super!! I will go and get that Promix next year now that Melissa has told me where to find it. THANKS MELISSA!!
Sherry , my TS was never huge. I sure like your fountain. I would love one like that!
Kell, I travel. Get yourself a big, beautiful ceramic, or whatever flower pot with no hole in the bottom, and I'll be right out there to put the copper tubing for you, lol!! If I had not wanted the stones, I would have used ceramic to begin with, and just might get one anyway, put it up higher and put the stones back around it. Off to the garden, just finished digging holes, now to dig plants outta the ground and put them back down in their new home. Thanks, Kell!!
just looked in here.. Sherry if you want some fragrance I wouldn't pass up on Harlot. Mine had a few blooms on the first flush, took a growing break and multiforked a canopy that is now full of buds. I lost count after 50 on one side. It's going to be pretty amazing, especially if they all bloom at once.
edited to say - I think my cutting was from above the Y. First flowers were near the ground. Now it's about 3ft tall and the canopy is about that wide. Looks like a miniature of one of those trees in Africa where the girafes prune the top.
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I'm tempted to dig Harlot up, I might have her in too much sun, I'll give it a day or two and see what happens. I still have about 20 cuttings to get in the ground. Of course the one I REALLY wanted to take, L'Amour, croaked and she was the only one I lost...it was too hot, I'm going to try it again in the fall, in the bubbler, where I'm more at home...your Harlot sounds like the lady for whom she was named...
Her and her sweet, steamy, provocative perfume... like koolaid
Oh, she's the one, I cannot wait until she blooms!!!
I'm intrigued by the name "Harlot". Sooooo, who was it named for? LOL! If it had been named for me, I don't think I'd ever admit it! LOL
Mary
Where do you guys get all these versions of brugs?
Kell,
I know what you mean about the soil drying out. I think in the warmer climates there's not much we can do. Try mixing those water crystals in potting mix.
Rj
lol Mary!!! Me either, now that I just looked it up!!! I'm curious lol
rj, I thought that volcanic sand held the water in some for you. Or did I misunderstand?
Kell, Emily ordered some. Had it shipped to the west coast. Think it would be cheaper for you.
Jeanette
Sorry Kell, I just remembered you are on the west coast too. Jeanette
Rj - I don't have many in number or variety compared to the Brug Magnates here. I've ordered 6 kinds from mail order and got my others as cuttings from 2 very kind members when I first started last winter. Then I have the ones from started from seed also given me to trial by 3 members.
The way it sounds, you'll have plenty of oppotunity to expand your collection when folks start cutting back, cutting down for the winter.
rj, I don't have all that many either, and I haven't even seen all of them bloom. I'm concentrating on 1) bruges that will survive and like southeast Arky, heat & cold 2) fragrance, 3) are not bug magnets, and that is why I've purchased from growers in hotter zones than my own. I selected super growers, but, made some bad brug choices - I selected Dr. Suess, instead of Chas G and DS hated it here, and I tossed her out. I love pink, so I just kept asking and listening and I now have a nice variety, but I'm still on the lookout and now, I'm looking for mini brugs that will fit in here. If anyone has minis you want trialed for heat/humidity, I'm your girl. I'm also on the lookout for seeds (new crosses) this fall. I sincerely believe, if I don't break my other ankle, that I can have seeds bloom the first year, I only concentrated on one seedling last year and it bloomed about 4 months from planting, and this year it's taking a couple of months longer, but I sincerely believe I can trim off a month, maybe two next year, boy, have I ever learned some lessons. Lord knows, I certainly hope I don't 'learn' as much next year, lol............
Jeanette,
Yes the sand does retain the water better, at the same time allowing good drainage and nutrient absorbtion.
Thanks Sherry,
I only heard about heat tolerant Brugs this year, I have been using the pruning advise from the thornapple book, and that helps keep the size tolerable. I have 2 that I've kept to a single trunk.
I like the idea of cuttings for new brug types, as more and more of my varied brugs from seed are turning out to be Brazilian whitel. A couple more are opening this week, so we'll see. Any new brugs I have growing now I pinch the top off at 6 foot, and they start the y at that height instead of 20 feet. :).
rj, You just rang all of our bells with that one. When you pinch the top out and they "Y", do they bloom? You see, I would call that a branch. I believe they have to "Y" naturally on their own to bloom. If you tell me they bloom from your pinching them out, that will defy everything that I, along with probably everyone else here, has believed.
From the looks of the pictures of your brugs that I saw, I am sure that you probably have every one that I have. If not, and I am pruning something you want this fall, I will be glad to send you a cutting or 2 or more?????
Jeanette
I think though that we need to find out from Sherry what brugs are heat tollerant. I may not have any. Jeanette
ummm...well I was doing this before the book came along because they got so big. I have one on the deck that is blooming , and 3 or 4 in the back blooming right now. I must not have read that section yet!
The one on the deck was 5 feet tall, one trunk, I pinched it, it y'd had first bloom..I think I mentioned it before in june I think.. Was suppose to be a B. sanguia. Tonight it has turned into about 8-10 blooms. They all y immediantly after you pinch them. I wonder if it does something not good later on? Now you got me going!
That would be nice to have 2 cuttings!..thankyou..that's very nice.
Rj
rj, LOL, now you are going to make a liar out of me. I need someone to correct me if I am wrong but I think there are at least 2 brugs that don't need to Y. I think. And B. Sanguinia is one of them of course. The other one is a white, Lord I can't think of the name and I have one on my deck. Oh well, someone will come along and finish this dumb thing I started.
I hope. Jeanette
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I do not remember which thread, but, someplace, I posted about my chemical damaged seedlings, that had their tops blown out, and I posted a photo of one of Kell's seedlings that after being chemical damaged, had her neck broken by a limb, and, amazing, to me, she Yed at the sight of the injury, which appeared to be a clean cut, about 2 feet high, and is now loaded with buds, I'm sitting on pins and needles, waiting for her to bloom. Now, I have lots other seedlings, mostly from Kell and Kyle, that are doing the same thing, Ying after chemical/wind damage, hopefully with buds/blooms to follow. Jeanette, you should be able to grow lots of stuff in your zone - Rj, you and I have to be more particular, IMO, in our zones, very difficult to find brugs that 'like' and thrive in our climates. However, Rj, I do think, in my zone, that seeds can be grown that will bloom much quicker than in a zone such as Jeanette's - I hope that makes sense...I hope you guys have bubblers for your cuttings, they are wonderful and oh, so inexpensive....
Sherry, I want you to know that yesterday I stopped at a yard sale and there was a box of aquarium stuff there and I pulled out a really nice pump and bought it for a dollar. I used to have aquariums so I know this pump is expensive.
Now, you guys, are you all telling me to go out and cut the tops out of all of my brugs to make them bloom??????? 'cause you know I am going to try it. I have a real husky yellow seedling x Kyle's Pink that I got from Kristi, Datdog that I am just dying to see bloom. It is about 4 feet tall and so strong. Since I have to cut it off to put in bubblers anyway, maybe I will do it. It will kill me to do it so it better work. It is a beuatiful plant right now.
Also, Sherry, I have a huge plant unregistered that has a half a dozen branches and not one , not even the top, has bloomed. What if I cut the top out of a branch????? Shall I try it?
Jeanette
Seeing is believing. Pictures below. I started experimenting with trimming, I knew from pictures there was a way. Turned out I was on the right track. Here they will grow 20 feet tall before they start with the y, so that's when I took the first pinch. I made sure I had enough growing first.
After I pinched, you can see it y'd, then those immeadiantly y'd .
I counted the buds, 18 that I could see. This is a yearling, was planted last july. Rj
Jeanette, I was advised by many gardeners that pinching the tops out of brugs caused them to take longer to make a Y. I have never deliberately pinched them back, mine had the tops blown out of them by chemicals, twice, and then a limb broke the top off one seedling, and I thought my seedlings were pretty much dead ducks, because I thought it was not possible for the to Y with the top broken up - sorta like a pine tree that is snapped, it generally dies or what does grow out is deformed. But, my seedling Yed, right out of the broken off part - it looked so funny at first, a woody trunk, obviously broken off, with a gree Y growing out of it. And, it is full of buds and should bloom soon. I would not deliberately top or pinch the top out of a brug, a named one anyway, but if you are interested in seeing what might happen, I would try it on an unknown, assuming it is not one of your favs. Attached is a photo of the first chemically burned/broken seedling I found Yed, and with buds. This photo shows the first Y and you can clearly see where the green comes out of the woody, broken off stalk, this brug is about 3 feet tall, and growing rapidly, is covered in buds, the longest about 2 inches. I believe, had this brug not been burned/broken that it might have Yed and had buds much earlier.
This is a photo of another L'A x EP, showing the chemical burn and the new leaves returning. The damaged leaves look like spinach, and, yes it looks like bug damage, but it is NOT, it's chemical/wind damage only. This was an absolutely beautiful seedling, but I believe she will make a complete recovery...
This is an Aurea White x New Rothkirch Pink seedling with chemical damage. The damaged leaves are obvious and could be confused with mites, but it is not. I believe this one will bloom fairly soon, it has buds...
See how they immeadiantly go into a Y. Sherry, with the chemical burn, was it a form of liquified seaweed? Those look similar to a couple of mine that I tried that on. The things we try in the garden labratory!! Rj
No, Rj, it was Bayer systemic and, or Bayer Tree and Shrub, or a combination of the two. Looks just like mite or other bug damage. But it was not the fault of the product, it happened because some of the seedlings were not watered well enough before the stuff was applied. I will use the same systemic next year, but I now know how to keep it from happening, 1) water the brug REALLY well, let it set in for a while 2) apply the chemical/systemic, let it set a while 3) water the plant yet again. In my garden (I don't know about anyone else) these steps MUST be followed with seedlings, to avoid chemical damage. I didn't have a single established plant bothered. I did use something, forgotten the name, a foliar thing that seemed to bother some of them, I've never found a seaweed that I like as well as the Seaweed Extract in the Safer (brand) insecticidal soap...I'd love to buy that seaweed but they don't offer it except with the soap...