Could it be? This is one of my 4" babies. With all the rain we've been getting, I didn't get to plant them on the ground over the weekend.
Thanks for looking.
Annapet
Please tell me it's a "Y"!
Is it a seedling ?
eileen, yes it's a seedling.
LOL, it looks like a Y! But if it is, you have a new line of brugs there. But just think, it is too small and weak to support a bloom unless of course it is a tres mini bloom. LOL What a great thought. LOL. More probably, the growth tip got damaged somehow and made two heads. I have had a few like that. Watch and see if each side of the Y, Ys again. It sure looks nice and healthy. I love babies.
And don't you hate this late rain. I am going to look at the forecast in a minute.
i was laughing at myself as i googled more...
"gee, won't the blooms be way too heavy? this is such a green stem." (sigh) but what a thought. the growth tip didn't show any damage. so clean. it's an oddity.
the wind yesterday worried me. my roses took a beating. kell, do you ever give your brugs alfalfa tea, or just the roses? thanks.
I call it alfalfa sludge. LOL. I mainly use it on my roses. I did use it on my brugs last year, but I didn't notice the push my roses got from it. Also, one time I used a recipe from Dave's that included molasses. It was a disaster, my brugs all wilted, I think the molasses clogged the roots. I had to get them out of their pots and change the soil. It was bad. Kind of cured me. LOL I know others on here love it on their brugs though! My roses just love it.
So do you think the rain will be over tomorrow?
Moonglow, the same thing happened to a seedling I was growing last spring. After finding out it was just making 2 trunks and not forming an amazing Y at 5 inches tall, I was a bit confused, wondering how I would know a Y if I finally saw one! It Y'd at about 6 feet tall but never bloomed...it is now a twin-trunked tall tree in a pot outside and it had better bloom this summer.....or else!
Enjoy the rain - despite some "sprinkles" this am we are rather drought-y here in the Midwest this spring.
Eileen
i am so thrilled my brugs have leaves. lol. i mean, i'll probably throw a cocktail party when i finally get a bloom. but i should learn to be patient. i only started gardening last december. ha-ha. (if you can call what i'm doing gardening...).
that's a beautiful rose, kell. it's a good thing that shipping sched for my zone has passed already. i got to squeeze in a graham thomas. thanks to your photos!
eileen, i'll send the rain over if i could. we're just having such a very long wet winter....
sugar or molasses feeds bacteria, it has nothing to do with clogging the root system. ur brugs probably did not get enough water to wilt. i do not have any problem using AP or molasses with my plants. in fact AP w/molasses boast up the growth of brugs i grow. no offense Kell, just talking from experience.
Moonglow, I've had seedlings split like that. Sometimes one side dies and the other side continues to grow. I do have a few that have a split trunk.
When a plant makes a Y, the leaves above the Y will be sub-equal. See if you can find some photos of equal and sub-equal leaves. I know I have some, but don't know where to find them.
So true Linda, subequal leaves mean a flower is not too far behind. Hard to be patient Moonglow. But flowers will come. LOL. I promise! Now we will need to see pics of your Graham Thomas also. I hope you enjoy gardening as much as I do. It has been a love all my life. A source of such enjoyment.
Oh Ma Vie, I will never forget using molasses. You couldn't pay me to try it again. I used kitchen molasses and maybe that is why it was such a disaster. I know now that I should have used agricultural but I won't even try that now. My plants just keeled over. It was touch and go for a while. I immediately pulled them out of their pots and left them out, with just a piece of newspaper to protect the roots from the sun. They just would not dry out. After a few days, I loosened the dirt as I recall, and still left the roots exposed. I know others here love the mixture, but no one could ever convince me to ever add molasses again! It was too traumatic. LOL I use alfalfa pellets, epson salts and fish emulsion (another recipe I got on Dave's) mixture on my roses. It works great for me.
Not to hijack Moonglow's thread, but Kell's roses are soooo gorgeous. What's the name of the one in the 2nd picture?
Thanks for the offer of rain, Moonglow. You just keep wishing it this way!
Eileen
Those roses are breathtaking and if I didn't know they were growing in your garden, Kell, I'd think they were made out of some very beautiful silk tissue, they are so pretty!!!
Annapet - I'm so new with brugs I've still got similac on my breath but I just discovered the brugs can be sneaky with the 'Y' thing. I've seen numerous times that Peaches and Cream was a slow bloomer.
Well, we're finally getting rain and I was weathering a storm in the hoop house. While sitting there enjoying some fragrance from other plants I discovered P&C had a bud along with a 2nd Tropical Sunset and some other brug. Hadn't even notice it!!! Too busy watering and running around crazy.
I cannot tell a lie. LOL. That rose, Graham Thomas, is at an entrance to a nursery I was at the other day. It was huge!! I love that picture too Sherry! Here is my Eden Climber that is my true love this week.
That is a gorgeous P&C. So healthy looking Blaine. It glows.
Blaine, your brug is WOW!!! Your pink roses are pretty too Kell, the ones at the nursery are to die for!!!
Okay, how many subequal leaves are necessary before there will be a bud?? I have a couple of seedlings with subequal leaves - I'm going to try to take a pic tomorrow, IF I get through spraying, lol...
Blaine, with leaves colored that beautifully who needs blooms? Jeanette
Kell, I have Eden too. I have so much shade and this year it is blooming pretty well. (I credit the Messenger) Pics are at home, I'll post one later. Don't you just love the center.
Blaine, there's that handsome P&C again, good job.
I should have added that my subequal leaves are on my 10 1/2 month old seedlings, not this year seedlings.
Is Eden a color?? Do climbers bloom the first year and do they require full sun, tho I'm certain I know the answer. I have a tough time finding enough sun, I always have too little or too much, drats!!!
Sherry, Eden is a cultivar (the one Kell posted). Roses need at least 8 hrs of sun, and at best mine gets 2. Eden was recommended as one that would bloom with less sun. Mine is 3 years old and looks nothing like Kells (well, the bush doesn't but the blooms are the same, just fewer of them).
If you have sub-equal leaves, then there is a little Y there somewhere and sometimes the buds start right in the v of the Y. Bet if you look closely you'll find one. They start out about the size of a grain of rice.
my, my my - here I am trying to convince myself to quit fooling with roses and Kell makes me weak in the knees with that one! If that's a climber, do you remember what zone it's hardy to? Is it a repeat bloomer and does it have the traditional rose fragrance???
I tried 3 Grus Anauchen (sp) last year that's supposed to tolerate some shade. They did so-so but died back to the ground.
Yep, I have the sun problem too Linda, too much or too little, never seems to be a happy medium...I have a new Betty Boop, but I still haven't gotten it in the ground - sorta checking to see what it likes best...roses have never done well for me, but since I already have the Bayer, I thought I'd try one. When I was at the nursery, they had pink, white, yellow brugs - it appeared that they had had zero attention. But, I'm over bring all of them home, doing that is history...
According to our Plantfiles, it is hardy to zone 5a, Blaine. So you may be in luck. Last year I fed this rose towards the end of every flush with my alfala sludge and it reciprocated by blooming its head off yet again. I have been thrilled with it. Also the flushes last for a long time. They are slow to open and slow to die. Not much scent or I would have noticed. I am forever hanging around it. It has such different colors of blooms and such different forms on 1 bush, it is a most entertaining rose. It is also very disease resistant. Eden Climber. It is hard to miss.
I am so sorry Moonglow for stealing your brug thread, but you were the one that brought up roses. A huge error with me, for roses are a true love of mine.
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oh, steal away, kell! i LOVE your roses. and can't wait to make ALFALFA tea. this weekend, i'm going to point reyes station and get some pellets at the feed store there and drive to marshall to get some KUMAMOTOS.
finally a GLORIOUS day here in corte madera. caged the tomatoes, and preparing the BRUG BED. how many feet apart each plant?
and what do you plant with the brugs to hide their legs? thanks!
annapet
KELL!! Cut that out! You're already one of the reasons I stepped off the deepend of the brug pool and now you're crushing my vows of getting out of roses. They were written in decomposed granite, too!
;)
LOL Blaine, misery loves company! Share my downfall. But I can tell you are very disciplined. I am a complete mess.
Oh Annapet, you make me jelaous. We had oysters the other night and they were not so great. I love going there. You should call ahead and have him save you some, they sell out fast.
Well where you are you will leave them out forever. So leave lots of room. They will get huge. My brug bed you can't even walk thru anymore. They are so huge. And so fat. I am talking some are 14 ft and they can get as wide. This is why I prefer standards. You can control them easier. Your brugs hit the dirt and they will start to sucker.
Standards, as compared to trees or minis or what, Kell?? Those of us who live where they die back in the winter, only receive such height, width, beginning after the last frost, but mine has grown bigger, wider, each of the two growing seasons it has lived here. Sometimes I think I would get more blossoms if they were all in containers, but I wouldn't be around to see it because I'd be watering them 24/7 and if I took a lunch break, they would wilt and heaven only knows what would happen if I took a trip. Looks like it will be back to skiing and winter vacations, which I enjoyed better anyway...
My little Eden climber
closer
wow, linda! i'm rose-crazed, too. first season addict. lol. i have 4 david austin roses that arrived today and still figuring out where i'd plant them.
annapet
My hope is that i will not become addicted to roses. I did that long ago and it was a big disappointment. Can you say black leaf & mildew??? Maybe things have changed and there are more disease, bug resistant roses these days, huh??? I have a difficult enough time with bugs and brugs, so hopefully I will not succumb to rose addiction yet again...
yeah right Sherry... come over here when Autumn Damask starts blooming and your eyes will be going counter-clockwise, goose bumps everywhere, you hot sweaty palm will have your credit card out and you'll be hugging anything within arm's reach. I kid you not!
Plus she isn't affected by any of the maladies the prissy hybrid teas go through and doesn't even like to get foliar fed.
thank goodness the shipping season for roses ended already in my zone! until next time.
=)
my biggest brug (from a cutting) became salad feast...
Oh but Annapet, the stores are now getting in potted roses. I went to 2 Lowes today and went nuts. Totally nuts. They are hiding in my car. My DH just planted 2 tree roses on Sunday. He must never see these ever. LOL
Ok Blaine, I will bite. I am off to check out Autumn Damask . I sure hope it is ugly. I HAVE NO ROOM!!
i must confess, i have some hiding in the laundry room.
LOL. See, now you are a seasoned gardener already! LOL Annapet
I am saved from Autumn Damask. Thank God. Even though very PINK and very pretty, it is a one time bloomer. I need constant blooms. LOL
No Kell - someone gave you the wrong scoop on Autumn Damask.
If it's really the 'Autumn Damask' (one of several names it goes by but even referenced in the bible) then it's an Old Garden Rose Damask which is used for perfume, repeat blooms and is usually sold out, if found.
When I first came across her when looking for H.Tea alternatives I ordered from 2 different places but got duped by one of them. Chamblees down in TX has great roses and thats where my real A.D. came from. Now that she's all leafed out I'm going to try starting a few cuttings.... ;)
Here's a couple of links.
http://www.rose-roses.com/rosepages/ogrs/AutumnDamask.html
http://www.chambleeroses.com/autumn_damask.htm
http://www.ph-rose-gardens.com/00120.htm
http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/consumer/factsheets/roses/autumndamask.htm
http://www.vintagerosery.com/roses/autumndamask.htm
Oh sure Blaine, dangle it yet again in front of me. LOL. I swear I read that yesterday when I did my search. i wasalmost saved. And of course, you adding that it is hard to find almost insures my grabbing it when I see it. I am so predictable. LOL
So you are in luck, I read on one of your links; 'Autumn Damask' is easily propagated from cuttings.
And I read: "Suitable for growing into trees." Now that conjures up all sorts of grand if unrealistic pictures.
And this sure adds charm to it: "grown since 1000 BC."