When you call my plants "seedlings" all the time, does that mean I grew them from seed, or they are first year, or what???? What will my cuttings that I just got be called? :-)
Expertonatto.
OK! Dumb Bell Question!!!!!!
**No such thing as a dumb question **... lol
only dumb answers .
I call seed grown brugs seedlings until they bloom and are named.
............... otherwise they forever remain a 'seedling'
Your cuttings are called whatever the name of the parent is as they are one in the same.
This message was edited Nov 20, 2004 11:40 AM
HMMM - ok!
I kind of wondered since mine were started from seeds, if they'd always be called seedlings.
The two I have from seed are Isabella X (unknown) and Suave X (from Crested Chik). I wonder if she ever named that one or not. It had yellow blossoms - but those were in late fall, so not real sure until they bloom again next year.
Now that those blossoms have died, should I pick them off or let them drop? They are upstairs in my sunroom.
It still smells nice in there - the Isabella is still blooming, one at a time, lol!
Karrie, any brug that you grow from seed is a totally new brug. There may be some that it looks like, but it is new. So, if someone sent you seed and you grew it, then that brug doesn't have a name yet. If you aren't sure that it will be one that you will want to keep for a long time, you might want to give it a number or something to remember it by that is easier than saying Isabella X Unknown, etc. LOL! It's whatever you want to do.
ok - I thought Crested Chik was supposed to name it - if she doesn't want to, then I'd like to, lol! I just love these, and I'd like them to have better names - not a number.
Each seed from a seed pod is different.
No 2 are ever the same.
If one of the seedlings warrants being named and registered ,
it does not include the rest of the seeds from the same pod.
They are each individuals and solely on their own.
You can name it but it must pass a long list of requirements and ABOVE ALL, it should easily be identifiable on it's own merits out af a crowd of other brugs.
There are too many look-alikes out there and we surely do not need any more.
If you raise a seedling that that you absolutely LOVE but is not good enough to name & register , Keep it for your own and name it whatever you like.
I have a few "Pet Brugs" I kept for my personal enjoyment but they will never be shared , they are for my eyes only.
You will understand more as you accumulate a collection.
One day you will look at all your light pink singles that need to have name tags so you know which is which.
This was an excellent question to ask ! ! ! !
This message was edited Nov 20, 2004 8:12 AM
Yeah,what scoot said
You grew it out,its yours
I think if it was something awesome,that looks like nothing else out there I would love to have a piece of it
Thats common courtesy,to offer the breeder cuttings from the the seedling that you grew out.
I have only accepted 1 cutting from one of my seedlings
I truly have not breed anything earth shattering yet.....
I have never named a seedling someone else has grown out for me
Not to say I wouldn't want to some day,or have some input in the naming but so far I 've left it all up to the grower
I also have some plants I have nick named so I don't call the sauve cross or aurea cross
Lake effect is one
I love it
Not convinced its worthy of registering but I love it
Also if you do get a seedling that it different from everything out there it needs to be trialed
See how it does for other people in other places,growing climates,and temperatures
Be careful who you choose to trial them though
There are some breeders out there who have given brugs to others to trial,and thought they were trust worthy
they ,in turn ,have given them away and sold pieces of them...
Without the hybridizers permission.
The hybridizer is the one who decides if its worthy of release...There are some brugs floating around out there that should have NEVER been released...now or in the future
And NO,I'm not saying which ones should have never been released
So if you love your seedlings that you grew out from someones hybridizing the steps you should take are
1-Take pictures
2-Show the pictures to the hybridizer
3-Discuss its merits...with the hybridizer and others
4- Offer the hybridizer a cutting
5- if it looks like a brug thats already out there do not name it, register it, and send it out for release
6- If you love it or have a sentimental attachment to it,or just want to keep it for breeding ,by all means ,name it ,keep it,love it to death
But DO NOT send out tons of cuttings from it
7- If its something new,unusual or heart stopping gorgeous,and others feel that way,choose a few trust worthy people to trial it for you,not just for a few months,but a year or 2 ,see how well it blooms,keeps color,handles being wintered over in different situations,how well it roots,bud drop,deformed blooms,its pest tolerance,weather tolerance....etc........
These are all factors that make a brug worthy
also if you use common courtesy and respect the wishes of the hybridizer you'll have a good reputation that will make it more likely that you will be trusted with more seeds ,from better crosses
You'll know if it is worthy of releasing
Do you want your name attached to a brug that may be pretty but only blooms once and a while,or very few blooms?
Or deformed blooms?
Or is a aphid magnet?
Or is a look alike to something else and people call it a wannabe?
Think hard on how you'd feel releasing a brug and have people say
Oh I got rid of that,I wasn't impressed
or
It never bloomed well or the blooms are always deformed
or It looks like Brug A and Brug A is so much better so I got rid of Brug B
It would hurt my feelings if people said that about my brugs.And its my guess it would hurt others too
Here is Lake Effect
CC -- that was GREAT! Thank you so much :)
CC
I remember LE from when you named her. I still think she is a very pretty White and aptly named.
Well said CC. I give you an A++++++++.!
CC .... Amen! :-)
I agree CC. Great job on your write up. You too Scoot. I'm going to put this in my favorites to refer others to when they ask this question in the future.
Crestedchik, your Lake Effect Brug is stunning! :)
Let's hear it for "dumb" questions...those are my favorite posts to read because I learn so much.
I do think there is NO dumb questions...just someone wanting to learn.
Thanks so much for all this great information!
Aloha
Excellent excellent info there!!!
Well too kewl!
I won't even think about naming anything until after they've bloomed again next year, and perhaps after I've even tried a cutting. I had so many problems with pests this year, that who knows what they really should have turned out like. The Suave X looks similar to the Whiskers pics I've seen, the Isabella X - well, looks much like the Isabella's I've seen pics of - grows very tall, has pretty white flowers that smell wonderful. I may nic them myself, for here, but always keep track of what they really are, in case I use them to cross-breed with some of the others I've just received cuttings of.
I'm glad my thread was appreciated and that it enlightened many of us of how this works.
Thanks to everyone for their input!
Karrie
This is an excellent thread and I'm so glad that you brought up these different issues! As Scooterbug stated, "there is never any dumb question..."! Seasoned Brug lovers, as well as, newbies need to read and re-read this very helpful information. Unless someone asks the right questions....no one has all the answers! Every one is here to learn more about Brugs and to help each other become better and more conscienceous Brug growers & hybridizers!
This message was edited Nov 20, 2004 5:15 PM
I think it would be great to have a Sticky thread that has all the pertinent information in it for raising brugs. A How To thread. It would be so nice for the newer members to be able to access that information easily without having to search and search to find some of the information. Everything from growing from cuttings to growing seeds, fertilizing, winterizing, etc. It would probably go on and one, but could be a very handy tool. Something that would make it more useful would be if it weren't used for casual conversation so there wouldn't be a lot for people to weed through. I don't know if this is possible, but maybe we could think about it.
What would propably be the best thing is to pick a committee ,have them go thru the brug threads,compile the usful info,cut and paste it,and put it in one or 2 threads
have one on Cuttings ,rooting ,pruning
another on seeds,how to pollinate,how long it takes ,germinating,growing out,repotting
But instead of a sticky thingy I'd like a button that the person who wants to look thru the compiled info
you know.,like a ? button and it links them to the helpful threads
there are always so many posts in here I hate to see space be taken up at the top for the sticky threads
That's a great idea...there's so much information though! It'll be tough to decide what to include :)
My hats off to those who take on this task!!!
Great suggestions, Brugie & CC! Another thought is to propose these excellent ideas to Dave in his forum. I'm afraid that your ideas will be lost or buried deep in this thread. Perhaps, start a new post and bring it to his attention.
I like that idea. And while the committee is putting these together, I think we should have a particular thread dedicated to questions, whether often asked, or even the once a year asked, etc...... The more questions (even if we already know the answer) to the list with answers, the better.
I think this might help reduce common & semi-common questions from coming up repeatedly. This forum is way too deep (amount of threads) for many people to consider looking for a possibly asked and answered before. Having this information readily available would be wonderful.
In just the one year of being here, I've seen on the Tomatoes Forum the same questions, OVER and OVER again (I was a culprit too) and usually the same person would come to the rescue every time. That dear sweet lady Carolyn - we must have exasperated her.
Sometimes I see different advice for the same question, so you'd want to include all of the ones that were successful, regardless of different theories - and this gives the reader more choices, depending on what they have on hand, can afford, fit's their situation, growing conditions, etc.
If someone starts a new thread, please direct me to it.
Great information, thank you all. Learned lots of interesting facts here. CC, your Lake Effect is beautiful.
Wish we could have an information thread with one pertinent question to start the thread and all the real "answers" replies from our esteemed residents.
No chit chat .... would be hard to control though , but lookie here ....... One question and 2 answers produced 23 posts already
Hopefully someone can come up with an answer to this dilemma.
Maybe if one person who had the time to go through old threads, would just start a new one with quotes from the other people and threads and prepare it all before posting it, it would make it easy for people to read the information. Then if people wanted to ask questions, they could. I don't have time to do that right now.
That would take alot of work, Brugie, but would probably work if someone had the time, and used a word document to copy and paste into, into the different categories of types of questions. Then, send the word doc to all those on the committee, for them to review, get a final, and then post it.
It would, however, take a great deal of time. There are many many threads, that don't even start out with a question, but have questions and answers hidden within them - as new topics come up within the discussion of each thread. HUGE task is what I am seeing, by going through all the threads.
If we chose "common and semi-common" questions, and listed the various answers, it might be easier, and they could be edited, as all can, to add more questions and answers, or pertinent information.
Does Monika's book offer alot of FAQ's????
Edited to say: A list of good informational links would be helpful as well
This message was edited Nov 21, 2004 12:03 PM
Monikas book is excellent
Both Brugs organizations also have excellent info
I think if it came down to it it would take a huge group effort,no one person could possibly under take such a huge effort
It should be broken down and submitted to the commitee to do the selection and editting.
and ALL of us go thru all the old posts
Not every person read every post
Just pick time periods
someone take as an example Jan 1st to march 31st 2002
Someone else take April 1st to June 30th 2002 and so on
Then when you find good postings, either copy and paste it to word ,or just take note of the title, date and who started the thread and submit it to a member of the committee
Jesh,from reading this you'd think I'd be good at organizing
I know how,I just can't do it....
ROTFLMAO
that is a very good idea CC - to break it up by dates. I can't volunteer to help right now, as I'm probably getting scheduled for surgery soon (I hope AFTER the holidays, but that might not work out) and I'm just not sure how much I'll be doing of anything after that. As it is, I can only spend 5 to 10 minutes at a time, at the computer.
Karrie, are you going to have back surgery? I hope if this is it, you will have relief. I sure did.
Excellent ideas here, CC, I love LE.
Brugie - they say the whole problem is from my neck - I see the surgeon for a consultation on Tuesday - probably surgery on my spinal cord, but in my neck. It causes pain to go down into my arms and my back.................. I'll get to see the MRI's when I'm there as well, which I would like to see.
Good Luck. I know you have been in a lot of pain. Time to get rid of it. Keep us informed.
Karrie,
You've got mail!
Thanks! I'll follow up with you after I hear more on Tuesday.
Karrie......good luck on you upcoming spine surgery.
I just got back from the neurosurgeon. I have to have more testing - blood work and some kind of "electrical" testing, whatever that means.
She's not sure if surgery is a good option for me or not, and needs to complete these tests to find out.
I think I had an electrical impulse test done and it determines if there has been any nerve damage or if it is worse on one side that the other. I don't know if that is what they are doing with you though. They know their business, but I don't think they know our pain sometimes. Hoping for the best for you.
I believe they are checking for any pinching of nerves. They are also looking into screening me for MS.
Karrie- I really hope everything turns out okay! Back pain is miserable!!
As to the original question- I have one along those lines. I was given my first brug cuttings from someone in my gardening club (she is in Florida). None of hers have names that she knows of. The one's she sent me just said "pink brug" on the tag she stuck to it. They are HUGE and the leaves are already gigantic. If they bloom as well as they have grown, it should be amazing! This was her only brug to survive Ivan so she gave me cuttings off it. She said it blooms very well and smells great. She also said it was disease resistant and she had no problems with it. So, why wouldn't this one be named? I have never seen a picture of it in bloom so maybe it's just common looking. Anyway, I also got some from someone that just say "pink" and some that say "gold." Is it acceptable for me to give cuttings from those and just note that they are not named brugs or is that "wrong?" I have no interest in hybridizing, breeding, naming them, etc. BUT, I did get seeds from someone else. So, if I grow out his seeds and think the brug is great, but he doesn't want to name it, are y'all saying I should not give anyone a cutting just to have it for their own personal use? I wasn't aware there were so many rules!!!
Jamie
I don't see why it would be wrong to give someone a cutting, if they like it too, to grow for their personal use.