My order still didn't come today, but Lisa from EdenBio called and she is sending me another order overnight FedEx. She said if the first order ever showed up to share with neighbors, friends or family. I thought that was so nice. I just wish I had thought to ask her if I got the discount all of you are talking about. I've had so many problems with my mail the past couple of years that I'm beginning to wonder about the mailman.
Cutting Edge technology can help your plants..
Minigrannie....I agree about the mail. I thought it was just here in Montana because we are so sparsly populated that we get everything AFTER the rest of the nation but in the case of the mail....that doesn't seem to be so.
I have tracted internet purchases (where the company sets it up for you) and found my packages to sit at the local hub for as long as four days before they are delivered. I am rural but ....FOUR DAYS!!.... I was paying 37 cents a payment and sending them off 5 days ahead only to be charged a late fee of $25 or more. The price to mail keeps going up and the service keeps getting worse.
Sorry for hijacking this thread....A spark lit my fuse and I just had to sound off.
I agree completely. I have several packages that I've never received, and mail delivered to the wrong place, or never received at all. Back in the old days when it cost a nickel to send a letter, it seemed that never happened.
People do not put mail back in their mailbox, if it is sent to the wrong address, either. Don't know what they do with packages that are wrongly delivered. Does PO need ANOTHER raise? Sigh..........
My mailman even complains when I get packages and tells me no more, no more. I thought that was his job.
Jeff, will Messenger help my brugs against mites?
Sylvia, I was just getting online to post a message about Lisa calling me just now!! Same problem, she wasn't sure if I got mine yet, and no I hadn't, she did say she would throw in some extras and samples since I had ordered before the discount etc. So perhaps she is doing the same for you.
She also said this is wonderful advertisement and that was cute, I told her that DGers stick together and if someone finds a good product they share the info. Very friendly person who also says she needs to subscribe and check this place out!!!
kell;
Messenger treated plants do frequently exhibit increased insect resistance (i.e, they are less attractive to the pests for some reason), so it wouldn't be a total surprise if your treated plants are less susceptible to mites...but I can't guarantee it.
FYI, we are finishing up studies right now in some agricultural crops looking at treated plants and increased resistance to nematodes (specifically on cotton / root knot and reniform nematodes). Specifically, three years of research by a leading expert from the University of Arkansas in labratory, growth chamber, and field studies showed that Messenger treated plants aren't as desireable "hosts" for these nematodes. The net result is that nematodes don't flourish and reproduce very well on treated plants, and the Messenger treated plants are more productive.
Who know's, but very well could apply to many plants in our garden. Just another small piece of a very large puzzle that contributes to the overall benefical effects that we see in our gardens.
Jeff
OK
I'm going in ....
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wait.....
I'll wait till tomorrow....
Hi everybody,
I, too, ordered the messenger and received it FINALLY after about a week so I guess you all have bombarded them with orders!
The main reason I am posting this, is to say, that I used it the first time this afternoon. I mixed up a quart (1/4 tsp to a gallon of h20) and sprayed my brugs and then went on to spray everything else that was on my back porch - including an african violet that had just been sitting. You are not going to believe this! that violet has perked up and the leaves are standing erect! all I did was spray it! no water- no plant food - nothing but the Messenger. I know you aren't supposed to "wet" African violet leaves but I thought what the heck - can't hurt. I don't know how everything else will improve yet but so far I'm thinking this stuff must be like liquid gold!
If Jeff reads this, I was wondering....do we need to spray the bottom of the leaves too?
Thanks
(unfortunately I didn't get in on the discount :(
SBHDRH
You want to get good coverage of the plant with a fine mist, but you don't need to be obsessed with getting the bottoms of leaves. Contact with most of the foliage will trigger the response you're looking for.
I hope your violets react OK...I know they don't like getting their leaves wet. Violets would be an example where a soil drench might be a better choice. Although drenching isn't as efficient as spraying the leaves (you use more product), it can be an effective method.
Jeff
Just wanted to say mine was ordered the 20th, and I never gave it a thought that it hadn't arrived yet, and I think it was kind of this company to call me out of the blue and say they think they might have messed up and offer to make it right long before I ever realized anything could be wrong. I am reading these posts and getting excited now to try it!! I had paid also prior to the discounts being offered, but if this product works like you all say it does, no worries on my end without the discount ;) Come on mailman bring me that liquid gold LOLOL
Well I finally ordered my Messenger and Mighty Plant. I sure hope it makes my brugs less tasty to the cats!
Thank you Jeff, for the discount :) Gretchen
Hi, Jeff!! I received my Messenger and Mighty Plant yesterday, I ordered over the weekend. About the only question I have is should I use both products the same day??? One thing I REALLY like about the Mighty Plant is that it's concentrated and doesn't cost $75 bucks to ship, as did the Peter's Excel and the MagCal. BTW, my entire family (except my daddy, who is a LSU man), went to the UofA. Do you spend time in Fayetteville and, or Little Rock??? SherryLike
I recieved my order today...I have already sprayed 1/2 Gallon of it on my brugs, datura, daylilies and anything else I could find. No samples in my package though.
As I was spraying my Whiskers, which I knew had 2 buds, I noticed a third bud. I said to my husband, look how fast it is working...it already has an additional bud! Can't wait to see what my liquid gold does for my plants!
JEFF - - OK I am now confused. I know that is not hard to do to me! LOL
Krnysgirl said:
"The directions are VERY confusing at first -- That packet comes with three envelopes of the powder - each has .25 of an ounce in it and it tells you that you add it to 1-3 gallons of water. So which is it - I asked myself outloud 1 gallon, 2 gallons or 3?? ..... The quarter ounce actually makes 3 gallons of solution. You can mix it at higher concentrations but he says that is just a waste because it will be no more effective than the .25 ounces to 3 gallons ration.
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I just got my Messenger. The directions on the back of the packet say:
Add one 0.35 oz packet to 3 gallons of water.
Add one 0.12 oz packet to 1 gallon of water.
So which is it? 0.25 oz or 0.35 oz? Do you even sell a .35 oz? Or is the 0.35 oz a typo on my packet? I didn't see one for sale. And if it really is the .25 oz that makes 3 gallons then 0.12 oz would make 1.5 gallons not just 1 gallon, right?
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kell;
Sorry for the confusion. We will clear all of this up with our next packaging run, but here's the scoop.
Use the 0.12 oz packet to make 1 gallon of solution, and use the 0.25 oz packet to make 3 gallons of solution. Both are appropriate for the dose. We actually upped the dose a little in the 0.12 oz packet to account for product that may stick to the inside of the package when you dump it in the sprayer.
We do plan to start putting 0.35 oz of matrerial in the 3 gallon packets with the next packaging runs...not because we need that much to be effective, but rather to be consistent with the smaller sized doses so when people do the math, it's not confusing.
Jeff
Please, oh, please, Jeffy, tell us how to mix the Messengers today and if we can or should use the fertilizer at the same time. I have a lovely, cool morning and I'd like to hit it as soon as possible!!! Thanks!!!
Gretchen, I've been out of pocket, haven't read all the posts (so many!). Have you tried the fert yet and how did you mix it, etc, and did you use it the same day you used the Messengers???? TIA!!!
Actually, I would think it would say 'do not use both at the same time', if it could cause a problem...
Sherry,
Why don't you give them a call...I don't have the phone no. right now, but I am sure you could get it on the web-site. They probably could help you.
SherryLike;
I would suggest alternating between MightyPlant and Messenger applications on about 2 week intervals.
I'm a Penn State man, and haven't had the pleasure of travelling through Little Rock or Fayettville lately.
Jeff
Jeff...My package arrived yesterday and I sprayed last evening...I didn't see any confusion with the directions, I just used 1/4 tsp. with each quart I mixed. Is this right or wrong???
Well, duh, why didn't I think of that, whew. Thanks, Margie!!!!
picturelady...you got it!
GREAT! I think my plants look healthier this morning....maybe I am just wishing ! I did take some photos though and will have some before to compare them with!
Picturelady - I noticed a change the very next day too when I sprayed mine for the first time - it was subtle, but there nonetheless. I also wondered if my eyes were deceivng me so I know what you mean when you say "maybe I'm just wishing". I'm glad you took pictures before so you can post some before/after.
As my plants have now been through two applications, I have had a little more time to observe the changes. It seems to me that Messenger is a bit like a good shot of Geritol for plants (LOL). It seems to rejeuvinate plants that were looking tired from season-long stressors heat, humidity, drought and insect attacks. The foliage and flowers (at least to my observations) seem to immediately stand up a little taller and look "crisper" for lack of a better word. In other words, the plants exhibit signs of optimal health - and I really think that is what Messenger does at the base level-- it triggers the defensive responses in the plant and allows it to be 'the best that it can be'. That doesn't mean that a plant can't still get sick or be attacked by an insect or that it doesn't still need to be fed (fertilizer) - but it does seem to help the plant resist all those things, make better use of it's "food" and recover faster from an attack. All this from such a natural - totally benign product - I remain very impressed with Messenger - and I think it will just "explode" in the market place once word gets out about it's many benefits. I wish Eden Biosystems had public stocks - I'd be running to buy them up right now! LOL...
I'm really anxious to hear more about everyone elses observations and results!
Diane Krny
Waiting to get mine.. I have these annual salvias that are sooooo tired. I was thinking of pulling them up and putting mums in since Lowes is having a labor day sale, but I really want to see what messenger can do for them. Will keep you posted.
Susan McCoy
Jeff, what is Eden's stock symbol? I think I'll buy some...... BEFORE the world finds out....hehehehe
could this be another microsoft? Sandra
Kell my packages say the same thing BUT the little packet (3 of them) also says it is a .12oz, and to mix with 1 gal. of water I would like to know if it is kept in a seal tight container can you keep it for several days.
From what I've read....you can keep the powder closed tightly for up to about three weeks, but once mixed with water you have to use within 24 hours or maybe it was less. I don't worry about it because I mix a packet and use the whole gallon of spray.
YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAA Mine came today!!!
Husband wanted to use it while I had to go out tonight and I said nope- ya gotta wait for me :) Really excited though. Will take pics first.
Susan McCoy
Hey everyone. From Messenger....
Quoted:
What time of day is best to apply Messenger®?
Spray early in the day when plants are most actively growing. Plants that are under temperature or moisture stress do not respond to Messenger applications.
This message was edited Sep 2, 2004 8:56 PM
Jeeefffff!
I am beginning to think maybe I should just place another order and this time get the discount. I placed an order on 8/24...no discount...and it still has not arrived and I am noting that people ordering much later than I did have already received and used theirs. My 3 lil baby brugs (1st year brug mommy) are really not looking too well.
FYI, my order number is 1757. I wrote and requested status, but the email answer was that it was placed and filled on 8/24 and should have been sent out the next morning, but there was no guarantee, only that the person checked my address and it looked like it was in order.
I know, I know... I'm impatient! Just hope it hasn't gotten lost.
Should I place another order? I was thinking if this stuff really works, I will need the 2nd order anyway. And this time I can use the discount.....
Yvonne
So Brugie, what is temperture stress?? High and low??
I was wondering what it meant when the directions said to spray only when actively growing. I thought maybe it meant do not spray in the winter when dormant.
So plants only grow in the morning? Shoot, I sprayed my brugs on the rented plots tonight after work. I guess that was wasted.
From what I understand, it can be sprayed most anytime during the day, just not in full sun? but morning and evening times would work best? (out of the direct sunny time)
Kell: Temperature stress would be anything below 65 degrees or above 85 degrees:
Photosynthesis occurs at its highest rate between 65° and 85°F and decreases at higher or lower temperatures.
I always just figure that 75 degrees is a perfect growing temperature...
Hi friends;
I see there are several related questions about when / how to apply Messenger, so I’ll try to answer them all at once. Just FYI, I'm going to be taking a long weekend, so I won't be back to visit the thread and answer any other questions until next week.
First, the general principles involved: Messenger triggers specialized receptor cells on the plants surface (they are the early warning receptors that sense impending attacks from diseases) to send a systemic "message" throughout the plant. That message activates the plants natural responses that help protect the plant and enables it to fight off attacks from disease and other things. Contact enough of these receptors to send a simultaneous signal throughout the plant, and it's like turning on a light switch. Once the switch is turned on, pushing harder on the switch doesn't make the light shine any brighter.
When enough of these receptor cells are stimulated to send a message throughout the plant, the plant reacts by activating these natural plant mechanisms, all part of it’s natural defense response:
· resistance mechanisms to protect and fight off the stress (against disease, environmental stress, insects, etc)
· increased rate of photosynthetic activity (provides the fuel to run the other processes being activated in the plant, and helps the plant keeps it's head above water" if it really does have the drain of a disease on it's system…and leads to increased growth in healthy plants)
· boosts the reproductive activity of the plant (that's a species survival mechanism. If it's under attack from something that could eventually kill it, the plant tries to make sure it will be successful reproducing before the disease takes it down)
KEYS TO GOOD RESULTS WITH MESSENGER:
1. Two approaches to consider for using Messenger in your garden. It's important to recognize that Messenger is best used in a proactive approach to growing strong, healthy and productive plants. It might prove to be an effective rescue treatment for a plant that is struggling, but waiting until then to start using Messenger misses the opportunity for unlocking the full potential in your garden:
- Adopt a Messenger "healthy lifestyle" for your plants over the course of the season. Begin spraying when plants have some fully formed leaves early in the season and continue on a 3-4 week interval until plants are spent or dormant. You might consider a shorter interval (2 weeks) if plants are under a lot of stress or disease pressure. Shorter intervals won't improve results.
- Time sprays to coincide with key events in the plants life cycle. Some examples might be: stimulating early season growth, bud/flower formation, fruit set, fruit ripening, post harvest, preparing for over-wintering. Keep in mind that you want to have these systems turned on prior to the key event. It might be helpful to think of Messenger like a stereo amplifier on your radio. An application of Messenger is like turning up the volume when your favorite songs are playing.
2. Spray when the plant is actively growing. Early in the day before extreme afternoon temperatures is usually a good time. If the plant is not actively growing because it is "shut down" (from drought, temperature extremes, etc.), the systemic message that the receptors send will not be moved quickly and completely throughout the plant.
3. Get good coverage of the plant. Perfect coverage isn't necessary, but the better coverage, the more receptors you'll contact. Spraying to the point of drip is wasting material, but over application won't hurt the plant. Spraying (misting) the foliage is the most efficient way to apply, but soil drenching can also be effective when plants are growing in containers (not very practical for plants growing in the landscape). A combination of the two is the best, and very occasionally significantly better than spraying alone...something to consider if you really have a plant in trouble. I gallon of spray can usually cover 500-1000 square feet of garden, or 15-25 rose bushes.
4. Messenger only needs to be in contact with the plant for a short period of time to trigger the responses: 15-30 minutes is enough. Once the receptors are activated, the presence of Messenger isn't necessary...the plant systems are in charge now. In fact, the protein in Messenger degrades very quickly in the environment, and you can't even detect it soon after application.
5. Once activated, the systems usually take 3-7 days to get fully up to speed, and stay elevated for about 3 weeks. Many gardeners frequently see some subtle changes much faster than that depending on the health and species of the plant, but it does take some time for the signals to activate the responses and the changes to become noticeable. In reality, the most significant benefits are over the long term and the cumulative effects of multiple applications are the most impressive.
6. Make sure your plants have sufficient food (fertilizer) to take full advantage of the changes that Messenger will stimulate. Messenger isn't plant food.
7. If you want to mix other products with Messenger, always mix Messenger into solution first. Spray mixed product ASAP, and definitely within 4 hours to get the best effects. Some strong oxidizing agents can be bad for Messenger (one example would be lime sulfur) and should be avoided. When in doubt, it's best to spray Messenger by itself.
8. Recognize that Messenger is not a silver bullet and won't solve every gardening problem. Even healthy plants can be overwhelmed by high levels of disease pressure and stress. Be prepared to use pesticides when specific problems occur (even the healthiest people occasionally have to take medicine specific for their illness if they get sick), and use good gardening practices to help your plants live up to their potential.
Hope this helps. Sorry if it's too much info. Have a happy Labor Day weekend!
Jeff
Thanks, Jeff. Very good information.
Terrie
Thanks Jeff, I'm glad you're here to answer questions. I used Messanger the first time last Saturday. Taking a look around this morning, they look much better. I took before photos and will take another series of photos when I put on application #2 in a week or two. LindaSC
Jeff, thanks for the info. I received my package today.
THANKS Gretchen!!! You sure are good!!