Hi Don! Yes, I did leave more top leaves on than I usually do because Jeff said in the other thread that he thinks that they would do better with more leaves so I removed the lower leaves and left two or three at the top of the cuttings.
I'm glad to hear that your plants survived the freeze. Hopefully, those burned leaves will be replaced in no time.
ROOTING PASSIFLORA'S 2.0
Good question for Clare Tropicman.
Clare I'll take close ups of what Tropicman sent me, almost every cut has atleast 3-4 nodes worth of leaves above the cubes. His cuts look like they were grown in a much higher lighted enviroment since the node spacing is almost none. His cuts came much shorter/tighter than yours., but yours still took too so ya never know.
On the roots appearing just above the cubes is a mystery to me also. This is a new rooting gel to me, I always used Clonex Gel in the past. I don't know if that has anything to do w/ it. I also have some serious swelling of the stems where I see the roots above the cubes. Is it from the extra aggressive root scarification or the hormone alone? I guess we'll just have to keep on practicing and comparing notes. Man I LOVE this think tank we have going on here. If time allows, I want to go get some of those "Rapid Rooter's" I told you guys about. You guys need to read the product info on these badboys. Somehow the inserts that we'd use for the cuttings is innoculated w/ the beneficial microbes I'm always talking about. They claim that is their secret and it makes total sense to me. I've yet to find anyone complaining about them. I'll send you both some for us all to try out.
TROPICMAN, Would you like to play w/ these oasis cubes Clare and I are using? I'd be more than happy to send some to you brutha along w/ some rooting gel. Say the word and it'sa done deal!
Well I have a billion errands to run so I'll chat later!
G'day friends;)
JD
Hi Jeff thanks for the offer,but right now,I'm so busy,working the overtime,and trying to get things done around here,just don't have the time at the momment,but would gladly take a raincheck,when I do have the time.
Question thou,why does a cutting same size as a seedling,flower way before the seedling?Same size stem leaves and everything,is there an age thing with Genes and chromosones,and the molecule DNA?
I know your getting the same traits as the parent,but what makes it flower when your feeding the same on both plants?
Actually its more simple. The plant you take cuttings from is already "sexually mature" while the seedling is still trying to finish growing. Fruits and veggies are the same way. Alot of fruit growers will graft a clone like branch and wait that out opposed to growing whole new trees and waiting 5-7 yrs instead of 2-3 years w/ the grafted trees. I JUST learned the grafting part and fruit tree's in the grafting forum here at DG's. Pretty cool isn't it? I guess many farmers use the same tricks rather than waiting on seedlings, I know that's 1 major reason I like cloning so much.
Jeff,
You try the Rapid Rooters and let us know how they work. Thanks for the offer, but like Don, I've got my hands full. I've been on vacation this week, but starting Monday, I'll barely have time to water! I'll keep checkin' in on you though. As soon as my Oasis cubes start to show some roots, I'll be sure to report!
Well, my vitifolia cuttings rotted in the rockwool. Going to try some later this week in soiless mix, bottom heat and enclosed in plastic.
Clare...No I haven't gotten the rapid rooters yet. I'll get to them soon. I'm probably going to send you and rylaff some to try out for me if you don't mind. rylaff is a sweetheart as well as a great gardener w/ a wicked collection of plants. My evil plan...LOL Is to send out rapid rooter's to you guy's and pray they get sent back to me full of rooted plants. Am I a genius or what? I think the answer to that 1 is "or what".
Clare I had forgotten some other things I forgot to pass on to you reguarding the oasis cubes when they have cuts in them. I forgot to allow them to almost dry out before watering again. When the cubes remain full of water, the plants have no need to grow out more roots looking for water. DUH! I began to let them dry out a few days ago and after looking at them today...Roots roots and more roots plus it also helps the cubes to draw in more oxygen. I need to keep a journal on these kind of things so I'm not smackin myself upside my head when I remember important details like this. You'll be amazed imo when you let this happen. I was beginning to think I had lost my touch;)> Monday I barely had any roots and 1 well rooted cube. As of this morning, after allowing things to dry, I have lotsa roots on 75%+ of all cubes now. I've also cut openings in my domes to allow more air circulation. It still allows for condensation, just not 100% of the dome covered in droplets.
I hope it's going well for you. Please keep me posted and also tell me what all is popping up in the yard. The weather has taken a bad turn, it's been in the low 50's most all week and rainy:(. I hope it doesn't get any cooler or I'll have a bunch of shocked out tropicals.
Adios, JD
JD, thanks for your offer of Rapid Rooters, but I think I'll pass. I just don't have the time right now. Sorry! As I prune things, I stick a few trimmings in vases of water on my patio so I'll be able to send you some things later on when I get a break.
Thanks for the tip about the Oasis cubes. Mine have been staying very moist because of the humidity. I've pulled a couple of brown cuttings out, but most of them are still green and lush, but there is no sign of roots yet.
I just rented a U-haul trailer, packed up about 25 large plants, and brought them to my mom's house. I plant bombed her! These plants were too large and too heavy to ship anywhere. I am trying to scale down my garden because I just have too much to take care of right now. I've decided to limit my garden to mostly fragrants:-)
Hope your tropicals are all right!
Well, three weeks later, I have confirmed roots on my difficult-to-root Passifloras. And I have to give all the credit to our friend Jeff. It seems that these Oasis cubes plus the rooting hormone plus the humidity has done the trick. Yippee! I'll be planting them up soon. The P. Mollissima is still growing roots in water.
Clare
I'm so happy for you,give yourself a pat on the back!
Thanks Jeff,job well done also!
Thanks, Don. These are the Passifloras that I promised you long ago plus a cutting or two of plants that I gave to my mom which I wanted to propagate. It looks like those Oasis cubes are just the right medium for propagating things -- not too wet and not too dry.
Just right!!!LOL!
Some day I'll have to give those cubes a try!
Thanks Clare
WOOHOO Clare. Good for you, I'm so glad to see the "hard to root" plants are rooting. I don't deserve any credit at all for your success although it does sound good;). The only reason I knew about doing it this way was from another person just like us teaching me. I was sick of rockwool. I don't want cubes that you need to wear a respirator while working with and then having to presoak them to get the correct PH. The only alternative I saw was the Oasis cubes. Now after reading more about them, I can't find anything saying to use them for cloning!!LOL They are advertised(I found this last week) starting seeds in. LOL And I've been using them for 7 years for cloning! HA I hear these rapid rooter's are even better and faster. I think we get roots from our cubes long before they poke out of the cubes since they have to be atleast 1inch long before the roots reach beyond the cubes. You probably had roots around day 11 and they were just hidden to well.
I still have a tray full of Don's cuttings, all are rooted to the point that the roots are several inches long dangling from the cubes. I didn't want to pot them yet since a frost is coming tonight and I think I'm going to put some of them in a hydro unit so I don't want any soil on them at all. This will be another great experiment. I bet in hydro, I'll be making HUGE flowers FAST! I think I'm going to grow a brug in 1 too. I'll keep you folks posted and Thanks again.
Jeff
HELP!
I just opened up my clone dome to find that something has been eating on my leaves! It looks like a cattipillar ate it but I couldn't find any. My wife looked in and saw a little brown thing and when she touched it, it jumped. Would that be a leaf hopper? I've never seen 1 before. I must act fast since these cuttings don't have much leaf to be eaten on. Sadly, clones are too weak to handle saffer's insecticidal soap w/o getting some phototoxicity darnit. I'll probably have to hand wipe evey leaf of every clone and place them all in something else. I'll try to find more critter's in there if I can, if you guys can think of anything, please let me know asap.
Thanks, Jeff
Clare, congrats on your roots. That is awesome news. Great job everyone. Great job putting your tips/experience together.
I just thought to see if Jeff wanted to take up a little challenge. It seems that cinnabarina, herbertiana and racemosa are the least eager rooters. Maybe Jeff would like to try his hand at these... Good luck to everyone conducting any experiments. Good luck to Jeff if he should decide to try to root these.
BugFreak.Heck yeah I'm ready for that challenge! Please bring it on. I'll do whatever it takes to get ahold of even more Passiflora's, just let me know please. I would need them ASAP since it takes me almost 3 weeks to get enough roots for me to feel sure about them taking to transplanting. I have 2 back to back long vacations coming up. 1 week long Memorial Day weekend then come home for 2 weeks and we're off to Florida for 2 weeks. I'll even pay shipping if that makes the difference of getting them on time or not. If that isn't possible, I could wait until late June but I'd rather not if it's avoidable. I would need a few cuts of each species, ideally very short but closely noded fresh tips. So far I've been able to clone Incarnata, edulis, morifolia, belotti, caerulea, amethyst, Lavender Lady,Incense, Lady Margaret, and a couple other hybrids this spring. The three Passiflora's you mentioned are 3 I'd really like to get my hands on bigtime, especially racemosa if I remember correctly. I only have 1 red Passiflora and I'm wanting more bad plus citrona...Heck I want them all!LOL Who am I kidding? I just love them all. I hope I don't sound cocky becuase I'm not. I've just been lucky to have had good teacher's that showed me the better products for doing this. If anyone took the same stuff I use and have patience, they too could clone them all too IMO. I just go the extra mile with heat mats and tons of lighting and TLC. Bunches of rooting hormones and vitamins do most of the work. I just watch them and mist them alot. I've had the dual set of twin bulbed 4 foot flouresent light fixture stand I made beside my bed for the last 3-4 months. My wife would kill me if she knew I was asking for more cuts!LOL She told/asked me yesterday "Just how much longer do you have to have these in here Mr.? I'm sick and tired of this mess!". She'll be angry until they bloom, then she'll love me for it until fall comes and we have to set up and indoor growroom!
Well my java buzz has me rambling on like an idiot again. I better get some chores done.
BUGFREAK My email is jdavis493@sbcglobal.net just incase you want to try this cloning thing. I'd make it worth your while 1 way or another.
Thanks all, Jeff
Jeff,
I would love to send you some cuttings. My plants, however, are still young and need to put on some growth to be able to take cuttings. Maybe we can find someone else here on DG who can help us out with cuttings. I'll keep my eye out for anyone who has these and as to see if they are willing to help. I'm glad to see your excitement over trying this. I'm really anxious to see the results.
Most excellent! I'm open to the challenge, find any and all the passiflora's you can please. I just can't get enough of them plus I'm dying to create some hybrids. I haven't created any hybrids in many years. I have some datura's I'm going to hybridize this summer and I also have some Giant red hearty hibiscus that somehow seeded themselves for the 1st. time. I've had the biggest red 1 for many yrs. and it has never produced seeds even though its surrounded by others like it, just diff. colors. We bought 2 more tiny red 1's last yr. and now I have seedlings from them and the white and peach colors. A lot of this is still such a mystery to me. I was afraid they weren't fertile seeds but they all germed. I've been trying to breed some Lanatana's too but it seems when I am able to get them to seed, they're always sterile. I need to research this nd get to the bottom of it.
Well Thank you so much. I look forward to trying this. I know rylaff may have some Pasiflora's ready to cut on, it maybe too early for her's too. I sure wished we could get tim in on this. I don't know him but his Passiflora collection is incredible. I never see him post sadly. I think Poppysue has a huge collection too. I need to find some1 w/ the banana Passiflora too.
Well back to work.
Jeff
Banana? Do you mean P. mollissima? I have this one too but like the others, it too is small. I just got all of mine this year. Rylaff should be able to cut on hers now (I think). Hers are established plants and some never die back in the winter. She's practically my neighbor so I look forward to growing mine here since she's had good experience with this climate. I didn't know anyone else here who collects passifloras. What is Tim's user name here on Dave's Garden? I'm guessing that it's "tim". I'll have to look at his collection. I'll check out Poppysue's too. Good luck with any attempts to root these.
Thanks, JD and BugFreak, and thanks for all the help you provided.
JD, I hope you found out what was eating your cuttings! I have found very small catepillars and budworms munching away on some of my stuff. If it's not those guys eating my plants, it's snugs and snails.
Here are the cuttings that I potted up today. I could see that the Ruby Glow cuttings had white roots coming out of the bottom of the cubes. There was only one P. Lady Margaret cutting left, and it wasn't showing roots out the bottom yet, but the top leaves are green and healthy so I'm sure it has roots within the cube. The P. Mollissima cuttings were still growing roots in a cup of water and were also potted up at the same time.
Here they are before potting:
Edited to fix spelling.
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Here they are after potting. P. Quadrangularis "Ruby Glow" is on the left; P. Lady Margaret is in the middle; and P. Mollissima is on the right. They are comin' to Kansas, Don! We are having a heat wave here so I hope they will be able to cope with the new environment. I will be sure to mist them when I can.
Clare,
I know the P. mollissima is somewhat sensitive to excessive heat. This one likes shade in hotter climates. Your cuttings look very happy and healthy. You must be doing all the right things with them. Keep posting pics. I love to see your progress. It somehow makes me feel like I'm a part of it.
Thanks Clare,were going to start a heat wave here too this week,up close to 90* wednesday!!
BugFreak, you are such a doll. You are also quite right about P. Mollissima. My main vine is still quite small, but it only produced one flower this spring. I hope that it will wind its way into an adjacent shady area so that I can have more blooms. All of these new cuttings are in the shade on my covered patio for now.
Don, finally your going to get some warm weather! Your tropicals should love it.
Clare ,it got down to 37* lastnite patchy frost but the plants came thru just fine,and didn't cover a thing!!!
Excellent, Don. I'm glad you didn't have to run out and cover everything. Your cuttings look great today with no transplant shock apparent at all.
Must be your green thumbs!!!
Heya friends
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We had the same frost Don did, I was worried bigtime! I brought in every Passiflora and the Brugs I still have in pots. We were extremely lucky, none of my tropicals were hurt at all, its a good thing we've only planted tropicals on the South side of the house. The only plants that showed any damage were some Mexican sunflower's and 1 other funky sunflower hybrid. Just the top leaves died, I think it's due to them being fairly young seedlings.
Clare The Charles Grimaldi you sent me is a very dense almost bush like tree now at 20 inches tall. I found several tiny buds on it and the frosty pink! I know clones are earlier to flower but WOW! I wasn't expecting to see any flower buds for awhile. The Pink Bower has several "branches" and is almost 18 inches now too and thats after taking a couple cuttings off it. These buds are less than 1/4 inch in diameter and MAYBE 1 inch long, they look like lil bananas LOL.
I too repotted the last of my passiflora cuttings over the weekend. I'll try taking pictures with this little cam I have now, I think I'll have to borrow the camera I've been taking pictures with.
Tropican, I ended up with 13 clones surviving, if I remember right, you sent 16 cuts. The only ones I lost were Belotti I think. Luckily Clares is doing fine.
I'm confused as heck about which cuts you sent me though. I tried to look up all the plants in the data base but some of these have 2 different names and nick names. There were a total of 5 different Passiflora's. Maybe you all can help me sort these out.
1. P. Belotti That 1 is obvious
2. Constance Elliot?
3. Caerulea aka Blue Bouquet?
4. P. Incense?
5. Lavender Lady?
When I looked up #3 and #5, I found pictures of them with different names in different places in the database. Like, #3's Caerulea wasn't the same as the picture of Blue Bouquet. You gave me another name that came w/ Lavender Lady(I forgot that name) and those 2 names had 2 different pictures. In other words, I don't know which are which. I know I'd figure them out when they flower but I lack the patience if I can avoid waiting
I'm also amazed by the size of the new growth that is appearing after rooting them. The new growth doesn't look anything like the old growth that is/was on them before cloning and the characteristics are different to. ie. node spacing etc. The Morifolia and Belotti Clare sent look like a tiny Passiflora was grafted a top a large stalk of another plant. LOL. I've cloned many many plant species and haven't noticed this much change. I don't think it's a bad thing and I know they will eventually grow out of it, it's just a bit of a mystery.
BUGFREAK I talked briefly with rylaff about this too, I'm driving to Florida in mid June. This is going to be an odd roadtrip since my Mom and Dad are going to follow me w/ my niece in tow. My wife and daughter are riding with me. I NEVER dreamed I'd roadtrip with my parents like this!LOL I just hope they don't try to dictate what our curiculum will be, I'm so glad we're taking 2 seperate trucks.
Anyhow, if time allows I'd like to possibly meet up with you guys for lunch or dinner 1 day and or possibly pick up some cuttings or plants while I'm there. I don't think I'd be able to bring any with me sadly and I think the time left this spring for mailing cuts is over due to heat. I'd like to see how far apart you and rylaff are in distance and see if we could pull this off. I may get veto'd on this idea if its in the middle of a days driving to a certain destination. I've learned that just because I'm the driver doesn't mean I'm in control of where we go! LOL
Well I'm sure I had more to comment on but I need to run for now. I'll drop by later and see whats going on.
Thanks, Jeff
Jeff,
I hope you do make it out this way. I just hope I don't miss you. I too am planing a trip in June. I am going to San Francisco for a week and then going to Port Townsend Washington for a week. I hope you don't come here during the time that I'm gone cause I think it would be neat to meet you.
So it will be you with the entourage. Sounds like fun. I'm sure it will work out. If it was just you and your wife and daughter, we might be able to host your stay. Rylaff and I met yesterday for some nursery hopping. We went to a few places and I came back with way more than I had anticipated. I thought I would go to "look". It turns out that one of the neatest places is very close to me. Lisa and I still want to make the rounds another time and hopefully put together a group of people to go around to the best places here. I got a Snow Banks brugmansia, fire cracker vine, chocolate vine and a cocks comb iris along with lots of other things. It was a lot of fun. How long will you be in the area?
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WOW What cool plants! I may need a list of these plant stores you guys are talking about to visit aswell. I have no clue exactly when or where we are going for sure. The wemens are doing most of the planning, you must know how that can be;).I know a few things I WILL BE DOING no matter what everyone else is doing. FISHING charter for 1 day, parasailing, fresh gator for dinner and a fan boat tour through the Glade's. I'll let you guys know when the times and dates get firmed up. It maybe a 2 week vacation from what its sounding like so far. It's going to be 1 busy month. We also have a week long annual Memorial Day Weekend in Texas. Then race home, tend to the gardens, rest and pack up and go again. PHEW! I know on the way home, I want to follow the gulf from Fla. to Texas before turning back North. That sounds like lotsa good seafood. Man we have a ton of garden work to get done before leaving it all behind, I have to automate all the watering systems. I'm re doing a mini sprinkler system, man these are cool lil gizmo's and so easy to do. They make all these tiny sprinkler heads you can set to cover small or large area's, 1/4 or full circle, dripper's and spinner's. When everything is in full swing here, it takes a good 2+ hours to hand water everything and thats a long 2+hours in the August heat.
Well time to transplant some more.
Jeff
Clare
I'm gonna have to send you some Maxicrop and Superthrive. That way you can forget all about transplant shock literally. Another great example was lastnight when we dug up 3 Gloriosis Daisy's and relocated them. 2 of them went limp almost immediately. We stuck them in the new holes, I mixed 1 cap of maxicrop and 3 drops of Superthrive in a gallon of water and all 3 were looking like they were never touched. I LOVE IT! It makes me look like the magic man with the midas touch. I'll take the credit anyhow;) I have to share it with you though;)
JD
Charles Grimaldi and Amethystina. Clare could you please tell me if I messed the name up on this Passiflora? I'm dying to know which flowers I'll have, I want to look them up in the data base. OH BTW Can you see the 1 original leaf you box cut at the bottom?
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I can't get over the size of these leaves. I wished I had our good camera today, I'll get it back asap. I hope you can make out the size of these babies. This is Lady Margaret via Clare
I have tiny flower buds on the Grimaldi and Frosty pink about 1 inch long. Am I correct in thinking they are a good month or so from being big enough to bloom? Oh the agony.
Look at the damage my mystery pest has done, its only eating 2 cuts and both are the same kind. You'd think I could find whatever it is that can eat chunks this big.
Hey Jeff,
Here's Blue Bonnet,Incense and incarnata.
Great pictures, Jeff! Is that P. Mollissima in the last picture? The leaves kind of look like it. Don't worry if it is. P. Mollissima is a good grower and will soon be taking over the place. Passifloras can take a lot of catepillar damage and still look great. I love the fact that they attract butterflies.
Your Charles Grimaldi looks wonderful also. Are you going to put it in the ground? If you plant it in a five-gallon pot and sink it into the ground, then it will be easier to pull up in the fall to bring in. If you have buds now, you shouldn't have to wait more than a couple of weeks for flowers.
Yes, you got the names right. A great site for Passiflora identification is here: http://www.hewo.nl/Thumbnails.html
All of the ones that you mentioned are hybrids as well as the P. Amethystina hybrid that I sent you and P. Lady Margaret.
Here they are:
Constance Elliot: http://plantsdatabase.com/go/54128/index.html
Blue Bouquet(P. Caerulea x P. 'Amethyst'): http://www.gkexoticplants.com/P._Blue_Bouquet.jpg
P. Incense: http://plantsdatabase.com/showpicture/38230/
Lavender Lady: http://plantsdatabase.com/showpicture/39119/
Also, see this site: http://www.gkexoticplants.com/Passiflora.htm
I have Superthrive and use it regularly after transplanting! It definitely works great to relieve transplanting shock.
This is P. Belotii down below:
Thanks a lot Don. You wouldn't believe the difference 2 1/2 hours up the turnpike makes in weather difference(that's how far S. Don lives from me), my Incarnata has 1 shoot up. Maybe 2-3 today but I have TONS of Incarnata thats been in the ground for years. No blooms at all up here except Columbine, irus, Clematis and a few of the usuals. It's just not fair!LOL
I'll be in S. Ohlahoma in a couple weeks and the differences in how far along there plants are always makes me ill. It seems like Don has a good month headstart on my weather wise.
Clare that eaten on picture is Don's Incense. It's growing great and I think I got the leaf eater out of here. I'm going to introduce the cuttings to the sun today for the 1st time. I need to harden off everything now.
Well time to go water and try to finish the sprinkler system so I don't have to water;)
JD
I have some questions on Maxi crop & Superthrive. Is there any place online that sells it? I have been unable to find it locally. Is the maxi crop fish or seaweed fertilizer? Any help on this would be appreciated. Thanks.
Buttoneer, I get my Superthrive at Home Depot, but I'm sure there are many places that you can buy it online. I get a lot of products from Rosemania.com, and they also sell Superthrive under "Supplements." Here's a link: http://rosemania.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/page16.html
Hi Buttoneer:
I have two types of Maxicrop, one is "Liquid Fish" and one is "Liquified Seaweed". Below is a link to biconet.com that sells both types I believe.
http://www.biconet.com/soil/maxicrop.html
I have VERY little experience with the Seaweed and haven't used the Fish at all yet so I can't be more helpful on the product, but I'm sure some of the experts will be by to answer any questions you might have. The website above is also useful. "Maxicrop" is one word so try searching on Google using it.
Edited to add: Also, I get my Maxicrop from an ORGANIC garden center so you might try one in your area to see if they carry it.
Tracey :)
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