Stolen Idea!

This message was edited Jan 24, 2006 8:45 PM

Hi Jeannette, as I understand things, Edenbio is a retail outlet for Cornell University's Harpin protein (Messenger). It's very tightly controlled for commercial use in Washington and approved for only select crops and growers. I guess because if this they can't ship to just anybody, even though I certainly don't intend to sell my tomatoes or anything else. LOL Well, give away maybe. I can understand really, we have a huge apple industry and the state would not want Eco-purists thinking growers are messing with nature!

Katy, how is this different from the Messenger that everybody sells? I looked at the Endobio website and they didn't say anything at all about the Mighty Plant.

Susan, I think Jd is talking about AVID.

Ok, Sidney, I will respond to your D-mail.

I will also send an email to Randy.

Jeanette

Shoot Jeanette, I'm new to this. This is the website I tried to order from. http://www.edenbio.com/xcart/home.php?cat=249

Well, all of the seed catalogs are selling the Messenger and they aren't saying anything in their catalogs about not sending to Washington. I haven't tried to order any to see if they would tell me no.

If they would send that why wouldn't they send the Mighty Plant Mess. Unless nobody, not any of the seed companies are selling the MPM either????

Jeanette

Katy, I wonder if Endobio would send Messenger to Washington???? Jeanette

Does anyone know how much Might Plant it takes for one gallon of water?? And, does anyone know how many gallons a 'packet' makes? Can it be ordered any way but by the packet?? Thanks!!! Hey, point me to a place that will tell if, if there is one, thanks again!!

BTW, it takes me about 60 gallons to fertilize, which is why I ask.

This message was edited Jan 21, 2006 6:39 PM

Here it is Sherry. Right from the horses mouth.

MightyPlant™ All Purpose Plant Food
Details
MightyPlant is the next generation of plant food for your garden. MightyPlant combines the highest quality water-soluble fertilizer components enhanced with harpin technology. MightyPlant supplies the essential nutrients hungry plants need to grow and be productive. Each packet of MightyPlant is premeasured to mix 1 gallon of plant food.

MightyPlant is much more than just a complete, healthy diet for plants…it’s a healthy diet that plants just can’t resist!


Price: $1.00


From Enden bio , whatever

Well Jeanette, I can try. Or you can. I'm lax sometimes with fertilizing so the MightyPlant sitting on the window sill in a spray bottle seemed like a good nudge for me. LOL

Yes, i too am not the best at feeding, but I love that messenger stuff and to have it all together is the best.

Sherry- wow- 60 gallons? Gee, thats a farm!!

Jnette, I think he might want both, but well see when he gets back from his date. I'm ready and waiting if he does! :)

Okay, it would cost me $120 to fertilize, my green plastic buckets are two gallons. Now, that is using fertilizer on everything. Sometimes I fertilizer just the brugs with a water hose, early evening or early morning. When everything is watered, I use 60 gallons and that is a conservative fertilizing. My hubby's mom's place, my aunt's, my guesthouse and my son's house and my barn, all open to the cement pond. LOTS of lawnmowing, lots of plants, lots of work. soulgardenlove, I do have LOTZ of space, just about everyone does in our small, rural town...

Woooaaa
You only use this stuff as a wet spray every 3 weeks on the foliage. Your regular drench type fertilizing would be the 60 gallon type. My yard is small so I really have to look for things to use a whole gallon.
Sidney

Well, that is good to know, thanks, Sidney. I just have too many plants to be able to spray them with anything but a water hose. But that won't keep me from trying it again!!

Oh yes Sherry.. This is only sprayed onto the leaves and anything that runs off is a waste. .. You still have lots though!! :)

Susan

Thanks to Pins2006 for telling me about this thread. I am a scientist with Eden Bioscience and am thrilled to see so much interest in the product. Here are the answers to some of the questions I saw.

Mighty Plant is different than Messenger in that it contains both a foliar fertilizer and harpin protein. Messenger does not have the fertilizer.

You are right, there is a great deal going on right now for Mighty Plant. The price we sell to "garden clubs" is even less than the price you see on line so a co-op would be even less expensive than you are thinking. The only restriction is that it must be a true garden club, and the item must be purchased in case quantities. Please feel free to send me a private DM if you want to discuss further.

Mighty Plant can't be shipped to WA because it is not labeled in WA. In other states Mighty Plant is labeled as a fertilizer. WA considers the "Messenger" portion of Mighty Plant to be a biopesticide so they wouldn't label it as a fertilizer. You can buy plain Messenger in WA because it actually is labeled as a biopesticide. I know that hardly makes sense...who can explain the regulatory agencies??!

One packet of Mighty Plant mixes one gallon of water and should spray about 400-500 ft2 foliar. You can also use it as a drench but it is not as cost effective. For Sherrilike....if you are going to mix up 60 gallons you should purchase your Mighty Plant from you local agriculture distributor such as Helena or UAP. They sell it in 25 pound bags. That is way too much for the average home gardener though (not that us DGers are average!)

Please let me know if I can help in any way.
Robin

Thank you Robin. I used it as a drench and when I started, I really thought it would go further. Way too expensive for me like that, but I do like the sound of the 25lb bags. Do you know the approx price for the bags?? And, what are the 'numbers' on Mighty Plant???

Shoot, I forgot to ask: So what do you do for thrips, Robin???

This message was edited Jan 23, 2006 1:39 PM

Thanks for the info Robin!! I love that stuff... if it only came with a person to make sure it was applied regularly!! So an additional 30% off a case is very exiting! :)

Susan

VERY COOL!
Robin, it's so great to have you jump in this thread at the perfect time before we go ordering.
I'm involved with a handful of people here and we are preparing to place a bulk order ASAP. Do you have the instructions we will need to make a purchase as a garden club? Now we are just a group of individuals from DG pooling funds for a bigger purchase, I don't think that would qualify us as an actual "Club/garden organization". Is there any way we could get around this in order to take advantage of a club discount? I would greatly appreciate any and all info you can help us with.
I have a serious timing problem and I have to get everything finalized on my end before Feb. 1st. I'm going under the blade on the 1st and will be inpatient for 1 solid month. As I understand it, I'll get an ambulance ride home at the end of that month then I'll be extremely limited to the amount of time I'll be allowed out of bed per day for another month or so.
I've been a paraplegic for 13 years now and while trying to "transfer" myself out of a boat, I slipped and came down on my tailbone hard enough to chip off a few pieces of bone. That became infected with a serious"resistant staph" infection that was cleared up after surgery 2 years ago...or so we thought. Well the infection is back so I have some bone and infected tissue that must be removed and replaced with muscle from 1 of my "cheeks" back there. I guess that is going to stretch the skin on my behind so tight that I'll have to remain flat on my back for the 1st month just for it to "take". Then I'll be allowed to get up into my wheelchair for brief periods daily in small increments of time until the skin has grown enough to allow for enough slack so I won't rip it loose/open again.
Anyhow, To make an already long story shorter...I need to get my end of this order paid for and finalized before I'm admitted. I'm very long on idea's and very short on time. I'd like to have this stuff on the way so my wife can use it while I'm down for the count. Any ideas on how I can go about getting all of this one pronto would be greatly appreciated.

Also, my initial/1st use of this product will be to help my plants rebound from some serious mite/pesticide stress. I'll probably use some maxicrop or superthrive with it to help my babies come through this ordeal.
Do you think using it in this matter would be a waste or could it help me at this point? I'm open to all input.
I'll use it much more as spring heads this way with cuttings/seedlings and then spraying the entire garden area's.
Please let me know if I'm on the right track;)
Thamks friends!
JD

JLD, you have mail.

Susan

JD, you are so precious and I've really enjoyed getting to know you on the brug forum, you are always an interesting read. My broken ankle last year, was a piece of cake, compared to your surgery and I want to tell you that you really brightened my days back then and I really appreciated you taking time with the lady, old enough to be your mom. I will be thinking of you during your surgery and you will be in my prayers. Do you think someone could let us know, when you get outta surgery, and then updates on your progress??? I'm certain I'm not the only one from DG that will be interested!!!

Wow JLD you are about to go through the wringer. I hope all goes well. How thoughtful that one of your concerns through all this is your wife and gardening friends. You guys should choose someone to handle this "garden club" order. Soulgardenlove is a great choice because we have already exchanged a few DM's about doing this for her dahlia society. It is easy and I'll make sure you get the discount price. I told susan I would send her the pricing for all our products by DM so she can put the order together.

To answer your question, for sure using Messenger or Mighty Plant helps plants deal with the stress of transplanting, insects, or diseases. Mixing with superthrive, or other plant stimulants is fine. I really like Messenger and alfalfa tea.

Mighty Plant is an 18N-18P-18K, plus micronutrients (Mg, B, Cu, Fe, Mn, Mo, Zn), plus harpin protein. I am not sure of the price of the 25 pound bag because we don't sell that product directly to the consumer. It is only sold to the consumer through agricultural distributors and they set their price. But I can bet that it is considerably cheaper. I would not buy that if you don't have a HUGE yard or a commercial operation. The harpin protein is only stable for one growing season and much would go to waste if you don't have lots to treat.

I am so ready for spring that I can hardly stand it!! My gardening juices are starting to flow! Oh yea, about the thrips (thripmaster)...I used to work for the company that makes Avid and the name was coined because we were seriously wiping out some thrip on avocados in CA with that product a few years ago. Truth be told...I am a plant pathologist, not a bug person at all!

Hi Robin, so good to 'see' you here again. I met you last year when you were at our Master Gardener Symposium in April. Will you be attending again this year?

I love Messenger and think it made a big difference in my brug blooms last year. Can't wait to get started this year. I have an unopened clam shell from last year. Think it will still be good?

Man you guys are the best! Sweet, thoughtful and then some.
I'll be back online as soon as I get home, I'm trying to work out borrowing a laptop or the like. I have a laptop that is so old, I don't think it's work trying to get lined out in time. That thing is just a fancy boat anchor imo;). So I'm not certain about up to the day updates but you can bet this will be my 1st stop online when I do get home. I'll be getting out the monitor extension cord so I'll be able to type from bed.

You'd really think I'd be so used to all these surgeries I've been through over the last 10 years or so, over a dozen atleast. For some reason, this 1 has my guts all fluttered and brain racing. I've never felt like this in the past, I wished I could get a handle on this. I guess I'll just learn to roll with it. trying to predict everything that will need to be taken care of over the next 6 weeks+ is consuming me but I always seem to manage. I just like to be thurough so my loved one's don't have any more to stress out over. This list just keeps on growing;)
Thanks again friends and I'll keep you posted.
JD

Be Well JD. :) Sending lots of healing your way :)

Susan

The very, very best to you JD. Heal quickly and try to think positive thoughts. You can do it!

JD, I will be holding positive thoughts for you. I know all your friends on DG will be doing the same - that's some mighty powerful healing energy coming your way....kind of like Messenger for humans. LOL Wishing you the very best outcome possible.

Candy

thripmaster, Eden Biosience....is this affiliated with the Eden in Cornwall England?
JD, I will be sending you energy of healing as well. I've had both hips replaced, and I know what you mean about the surgeries.

Well hello Dumpster Diving Diva!! I looked at some of the pictures of aquisition..very impressed.
Please send me an email about our topic. Thanks

Rj

Hang in there JD. Just remember that you will never be given more than you can handle! Keep that in mind when you start worrying about stuff you can't control.

John (from the Red River Valley)

p.s., did you find some horned toads?

You Guy's are the greatest! I can not begin to thank you enough for your thoughts, prayers and positive energy flowing my way. I need it more than ever right now. When I read these posts wishing me well, I literally sigh a giant, wonderful exhale of relief and all is well for that moment. I can also put thoughts down on this page that I don't want to drop on my family, I HAVE to be the "rock" around here or my wife and daughter wouldn't be as sure/confident about this whole ordeal.
I'm sure the other Dad's/husband's around here maybe able to relate to this messed up mindset I have goin here;)

I sure am excited about getting this messenger ordered and would like to thank all the "powers" around here that have made it a reality. It's awfully cool to simply Paypal a few bucks to an email addy and only have to wait for it to arrive;)
Thank You!

John
I never did get my hands on any of those Horned Toads darnit. I'm very afraid to try and find any online since finding out they're a protected species or the like. I did however have a chat with many of the kid's that live around Lake Texoma and put a "bounty" out on the Lil critter's. It's pretty sad to hear that maybe as few of 1/2 the kids even knew what I was talking about. They must be much more rare now than I originally thought. I still have a grand plan of collecting atleast 1 pair to breed them and re-introduce as many as possible back to the wild. I've had great luck in the past breeding other reptiles like chameleon's(and those are VERY hard to breed), box turtles, king snakes and even some fish(just tropicals from the pet store). My yard backs up to a big public park with a 5+ acre lake and a lot of natural grass lands. In the 1st 10 years I lived here, I could count the number of King Snakes and Box turtles seen on my 2 hands. In the last 5 years, I see and hear the nieghborhood kid's excitedly talking about seeing/catching them as it was when I was a kid. I pray this micro habitat I started can support itself and continue to spread. Even if it doesn't, I sure had fun doing it and sharing my experience with other's. I hope I "planted seed's" in the mind's of the kid's that helped me release the critter's.
Please keep your eye's open down there in the chance you find 1 of those little dudes;)

Everyone...I apologize for "hijacking" this thread with all of my way off topic posts. If I'm taking up space or annoying anyone by taking up so much space, I'LL HAPPILY EDIT OUT THESE MARATHON OFF TOPIC POSTS with no hard feelings at all. I totally understand.

Thanks again friends, ya'all are the best the internet has to offer inna club like setting.
Jeff

Jeff, your're posts are okay, fine with me! Keep your chin up.

Jeff, you obviously need to reach out and your being heard and this is fine. I love talking and listening so your great with me.. Besides the original concept of this thread has been throughly discussed... I just hope that the "powers" your talking about don't get shut down!! :)

However, always being the gardener..............is there anyone on here that germinates their seeds with the Hydrogen Peroxide and then winter sows? Like what they are doing in the winter sowing forum? I'd like to know if there is? I'm very excited about wintersowing this year. Thanks

Susan

I'm about to. I have morning glory seeds soaking right now and tomorrow they will go in their WS container. Then... well, time will tell!

Yes, Jeff, there is great love and support here at DG. It's always good to talk, and relate to others.

Susan...
Yes..from this thread I produced my first H202 sprouts of Asian Morning Glories. I have been tracking them in my Journals under seed propagation schedule --- http://davesgarden.com/journal/ed/

The seeds sprouted at a high percentile. I followed instructions at the top of the thread. The Glories are about an inch tall- and are about to receive their first true leaves. They have been re-potted in small pots and will be planted in the garden in about a week.
This was from RikerBear further up ...if I may quote
"This method has proven invaluble this year. I have used the H2O2/H2O solution to soak the seeds, placed them in zip lock baggies wrapped in layers of paper towels soaked with more of the sloution.
I have had incredible high germination percetages"
I used the mixture Jeff wrote about here ...it's Apr. 12th I believe. It worked like a charm!
It took them about 5 days to germinate, although I must admit...I found one in a batch of seeds that were from someones garden..that did not germinate..but I still potted the seeds.. It sprouted today..so that's a good 20 days for that particular seed batch. See my impatient self was re-using the soile when I noticed the little guy sprouting.
Here is a picture of the seeds. I will be posting a current picture of them in my journal tomorrow.
Rj

That is impressive Rj!! I'm going to try that the very first chance I get!!!

Yes I was happy with it too. Be careful, as the roots grow at quite a rapid pace. They were digging into the paper towels rather nicely. I am going to try an experiment and cut around the roots leaving them lodged in the paper towel. They may still get nutrients from the superthrive that way. Plus it doesn't mess with the roots.
Rj

I want you all to know that I got a 4 oz bottle of Superthrive at Walmart for $7 something . I have been paying $9 at other places including HD and the local hydroponic store for a 2 oz bottle.

A lot of people have a problem dealing with Walmart, but that is their problem. I am not going to get into an argument on the pros and cons of that situation. Just letting you all know if you are interested.

I have had real good results on a variety of seeds using the method you guys are talking about with the paper towels in the baggies. About the only ones I didn't were very small and also the flat papery type seeds. Can't think of what they were right now but they got real sticky.

Thanks Jnette, didn't think of checking for it at Walmart. I had checked our Lowe's and HD but neither of them had even heard of it.

If they don't have it you should ask the manager to get it. Since some of their stores carry it they should be able to get it.

I called wal-mart and no go. I just called superthrive to see where it is in our area and she gave me one retailer that carries it They buy direct from them and after lots of questions :)she also gave me the number to the large distributor that buys it one state over. Their number is 1-800-441-8482 (Superthrive) to locate it in your area.

JR, this is very exciting!! I am so glad to hear that you germinate first and then you pot up and put them in an outdoor covered condition? Are you wintersowing or cold frame or greenhouse? I was just afraid that I would be germinating inside and then wanting to indroduce them to the potted WS method outdoors and they wouldn't go for it... i especially want ot get started with hollyhocks, since I have so many seeds and they need a longer growing time from what I hear. I didn't know if I had to wintersow completely as directed and put the seeds in the pots and let them start there as well. I will be reading your entire journal to see what you've been up to. Thanks so much for sharing.. it is very helpful ! :)

I'm such a nut-- I go to bed thinking about how wintersowing is going to make my garden so incredible and I was in a exercise class this morning and I was distracted thinking about where all my plants will go.. what I will start... how I'm going to do this in that garden and that flower in that garden. Winter use to be a sad time for me since there were no blooms and everything seemed so drab.. Not anymore! It's the much needed downtime for the orchestration of the symphony!! (And I discovered camelias!!)

:)

Susan

I've been using H202 for everything from seed soaking to help revive plants with rootrot or other over watering conditions for several years now. I used it in some hydroponics systems too.
It's great for increasing gemination rates and allows you to soak seeds much longer with out the soak solution going stagnant.
Many times in late fall when many plants are brought indoors for the winter they end up getting over watered as they no longer need a fraction of water as they did outside. Usually all you can do for such plant's is to let them dry out so the rotting parts are no longer wet enough to rot further. But by allowing them to dry out, the plant's end up suffering from lack of water. By mixing in as much a 25% H2O2(sometimes more) with 75% water and watering with this mixture, it kills the bacteria that causes the root rot. I've found it impossible to overwater plant's when using this mixture. The roots can literally be standing in this mix and be able to absorb more oxygen from the H202 than they can when dried or drying out.
Miracle Grow used to make a product called "Liquid Oxygen" and it was nothing more than H202 and a little fertil;izer. Ironite liquid plant food also contains H202. It is such a simple and forgiving way to help plants and seeds get more oxygen. I also use it alot over winter so I can allow more liquid to sit in the trays under my plant's which buys me more time between waterings.
I just can't say enough for this stuff. BTW, I always use 3.5% strength peroxide you can find at any store.
Give it a try, you won't regret it;)
JD