Was it David? Cats Meow I think his Dave's name was?
Stengelbrand, a work in progress!
Might of been! Good Memory Kell! North Carolina?
Murrell's Inlet, SC
Thanks Shirley! ... hee! If you had let me go I would have been up to the 45th state by now! lol!
Nah, you would have figured it out. LOL!
Kell, I hope you are still going to put all of this together in a very simple form that will stay on the Burg. forum. For a new burg person this thread is so long it is hard to get the basics out of it. Thank You, Joan
Thanks again, Monika, for this clarification.
Kell, you are so sweet and give me entirely too much credit, and you crack me up on top of that! The way I'm going to solve this problem is a) not buy or trade any more brugs and b) not own any more B. suaveolens or its hybrids!
Most of the ones that I destroyed -- in fact, all but one -- came from the same person. She was very generous and gave out cuttings for postage to many people. She even cut her hand by accident while she was taking cuttings. I have a feeling that she didn't sterilize her cutting tool between each cut or even each tree. Nine out of the thirteen cuttings that she sent me were infected. Some showed it right away; some took a couple of years to show it. She smokes cigarettes, and I wonder how much that plays a role.
Did you let her know? Maybe she can notify the people she sent them too so if they haven't seen symptoms yet, they can toss them fast.
I let a friend know, who is in touch with her, to let her know. As far as I know, she doesn't have any of these cultivars herself anymore.
Clare, I think you just gave me the bottom line. Thank you. B. suaveolens or it hybrids.
Do others get it or just suav. and hybrids? Joan
My understanding is that all brugs can catch it if you do not use good technique. If you let them share water or use the same clippers on an infected plant then on others without sterilizing it. Reusing dirt or the pot from an infected plant. Anything that can cross contaminate. Even your clothes or you rhands if you get the tree sap on them then rub against a healthy brug.
Sadly, a plant can have it and not show any signs of it for months. You can be spreading it all over in the meantime.
Suavs and yellow multihybrids do not need direct contact to get it. Evidently, they just need to be in the same area with an infected plant.
Joan, read the very first post on this thread. It goes over it all pretty thoroughly.
Joan, Monika indicated above that the yellow multihybrids and B. suaveolens and its hybrids are the most susceptible and that the other species don't seem to get it unless they have some B. suaveolens in their history and even then, some are resistant. Check Monika's last few posts.
The ones that I destroyed are either multi-hybrids, B. suaveolens, B. insignis hybrids, or B. suaveolens hybrids:
Yellow/orange multi-hybrid
Frosty Pink
Insignis pink x B. suaveolens pink
Kyle's Giant White (Betty Marshall x Frosty Pink)
Charles Grimaldi (Dr. Seuss x Frosty Pink)
Jamaican Yellow
Miss Anna
Monster Brug White B. suaveolens
Goldtraum (Yellow B. suaveolens hybrid)
Coral Glow (B. suaveolens hybrid)
Sunkissed
My Pink
Edited to add: I posted this before seeing Kell's response. She is absolutely right that tools can spread it and should be sterilized between each cut. Also, fungus can spread in the ways that Kell mentioned already. I think fungus spores can be transferred from plant to plant easily.
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Seed coats, spores carried by wind and insects are other ways fusarium alone is transferred.
If stanglebrand covers other diseases too then not all of these means of transfer apply to every disease.
It feels so uncomfortable to try to have a conversation about Stanglebrand. Shouldn't be this way. It's not an attempt to discredit anyone and especially not an attempt to discredit Monika.
Who/whom lol :) has already listed or posted what is not my concern either.
All I know is that I personally have never understood what Stanglebrand truly is and that I'm not alone. My questions are honest ones. Monika is still working on Stanglebrand. I will wait on her further research.
Does anybody have pictures of the spots on the leaves, I'd like to see pictures of leaves with SB, And another question.
I was once told that Sterilizing,/bleach doesn't kill the bacteria, is this just on plastic? does it kill the bacteria on metal such as the cutting tools used?
There are so many diff kinds of scars on my brugmansias, from wind damage, etc... Can SB start from a wound already there from say such as a break ?
thanks in advance for any help
kathy
Thank you so much for all the information you have given me. I have copied the first part and I will copy the rest . Kell I got so caught up in the last part that I forgot the first part so now I can put it together.
Clare, that list makes me feel a lot better. I will stay clear of them. There are just to many kinds out there to take a chance on those.
Thanks again, Joan
I remember in the past that Monika told me that SB should stand for stem blight.
In Monika's book (english trans) under Stem Blight it says "A new, feared fungus disease is stem blight" ..... "Infected plants out of different collections were analysed and the Fungus Fusarium spp. was isolated out of the roots" Anyway .... this is what made me question why we call it stanglebrand here in the USA? I'm not crazy! Really I'm not! lol!
Vicki, Dr Preissel describes this disease already in his book. He called it Stem rot. Stem blight or stem rot, both definiton describes the same sympthoms.
Thank you Monika. Honestly ... my questions are not meant to offend or to criticize or to point fingers or to say anyone is wrong to call SB anything they wish. My only concern is that the word stanglebrand and even the word stem blight confuses USA growers. Too many people believe it is something new and dangerous that comes from Europe. This hurts Europe and it hurts brug reputation too. Unfortunately or fortunately (depending on how we view it) Fusarium is not new to our country, especially in the tomato family. If SB is fusarium then we as Americans should know it as such and we as Americans should call it by the name it has always been called here in this country. This will solve alot confusion problems.
... peace! :)
Stengelbrand or Stengelfäule
translates into ...... stem rot
Stem rot in English is stem rot. lol! We have english names for these things!
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I have just updated myself on the posts and one thing that I believed Clare asked was about Uconn Treasure. My Uconn Treasure had SB and had to be destroyed.
I would like to know if anyone has had a Whiskers plant that had SB?
Connie. my Whiskers had SB.
Thanks, Connie and Monica. UConn Treasure must have some B. suaveolens in its gene history. So far, my UConn isn't showing any signs of SB, but it is a very poor grower and looks terrible all the time and has branch dieback constantly. I think it is just a matter of time before those black spots show up. I probably shouldn't let it live any longer and should put it out of its misery.
Thanks Monika,
I have 2 Whiskers in the group of brugs I have separated, so now I know to watch them carefully. I have several more yellow multihybrids in that group also that I am watching.
I've lost Grand Child also. I composted her yesterday.
I'm so sorry about that, Monika.
Was Grand Child established or a newbie? It is tough to lose a brug that's been a friend for a while and also difficult to lose a promising youngster. Either way, you put in so much time and care - I'm so very sorry she didn't make it...such a precious name!!
Grand Child is a Gloria Lessner hybrid. That is the reason, why it makes me feel very bad about it.
Oooooh, I've heard such nice things about Gloria Lessner and I'm so sorry I didn't get to 'meet' her here at Dave's. She must have been a very special person, her hybrid has one of the nicest brug names ever!!! What a terrible loss for you and the brug community...