Now ain't that purdy?! (Morning Glory pic)

Love your pictures, Emma! Can't wait to see the results of some that you shared with me.

Karen, yours is a beaut also! I'm getting anxious now.....

Ron, could you point me to Dr. Yoneda's description of the 5 types of blizzard and their generational performance? I see that there are three different Blizzard genes identified, but find little information about them.

Thanks - Arlan

Thank You . . . Frank, Karen and Arlan,

Karen LOVE that bloom too.
VERY NICE!

Emma

Wow, all of these are just gorgeous.. Those designs are amazing and the colors are so eyecatching.

A.

I can`t wait to see the results of the next generation! I `m about to find out a few things. I think the blizzard on some of my flowers is dominant but the flower might could carry for the solid. (I`m guessing here because I don`t know for sure right at this point.) If the flower isn`t completely dominant for blizzard then some solids could pop up.(Again I`m only wondering about it.)

If this were the case then all you could do is tag the vine as a solid color and also tag the vines with info about details you observed on vines with the right colors and shapes so you can tie and hand pollinate the right flowers and take from those only. You would have to over time "weed out" the ones showing unwanted hidden recessives to keep your flowers going true to the type you are looking for. I have added vines that I could safely remove without damaging others to the compost pile before they ever formed pods because I have to select the best for my garden. Anything I planted for experimentation not making the cut will get turned into food for the next generation. If I can`t safely move an unwanted vine away from the others then I will at least snip off the flowers every morning to prevent unwanted seedling volunteers later on.

Kinda - Sort of - Similar ???
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=3259036

Found this photo on Kyushu. . .
Same colors 'sort of' similar as my 'Plum Frost'
And what a beauty!
Maybe mine has some of these genes?

Emma

PHOTO FROM KYUSHU

Arlan -

a jumping gene is usually a transposon that can move around within the genome...this includes the ability to jump or skip one or more generations

Here Dr.Yoneda mentions that 'blizzards' are the most variable and that they are 'dominant' >which isn't exactly accurate
http://protist.i.hosei.ac.jp/asagao/yoneda_db/E/PCD2523/htmls/74.html

Here Dr.Yoneda mentions 4 different blizzards with the 1st three interacting in a 'cooperative' manner and clarifies that the 4th one is actually recessive
http://202.243.235.3/Asagao/E/species/genes.html

Bz-1 Blizzard-l, Fubuki-l
Bz-2 Blizzard-2, Fubuki-2
Bz-3 Blizzard-3, Fubuki-3
bz-4 Blizzard-4, Fubuki-4 Recessive blizzard character.

Just think what the possible mathematical permutations of the interaction of the listed genes could be...and the above list is still only a partial listing of the known genes...what about all of the unknown factors(?!?)...e.g.,due to the sometimes very 'finicky' actions of many enzymes(which can be very sensitive to factors like temperature,minerals,various electro-magetic spectrum,mycorrhizal relationships(MHB) etc,etc) a gene may be present but not expressed or only partially so...

The site that of Yonedas that is up now is a newer version of an older siter that was up previously and that displayed differently...not all of the information that was presented on the older sites comes up or displays in the same way...

The info on both Dr.Yonedas site and the site at Kyushu is wonderful to have and the vast majority of it is correct and in order,but there are some contradictory presentations and even some of the photos of some species listed on Kyushu are in error...IMHO...

The site at Kyushu actually had an experimental seedtrading page up in English with some links to other sites and research papers...this only lasted for about 5 weeks and then it was pulled...some of this I had saved on different types of zip discs which I no longer have any working drives for...

I had been researching the blizzard (and other) genes and located papers in japanese that mentioned that there were 5 different types of Blizzard genes with varying degrees of dominance and recessiveness...including the ability of the patterns to skip generations and to be modulated by the absence and/or presence of a very large number of other genes... some of the papers were co-authored by Dr.Yoneda and/or referenced his work...

Depending on what search engine you use,how you parse the search,the particular browser and the time of day >the results can vary...

This is what I can locate easily at the moment without launching a more massive indepth search...

Believe it or not...

TTY,...

Ron

This message was edited Mar 8, 2007 9:52 PM

I wouldn`t doubt it just looking at it. That flower has the similar colors, delicate beauty and the shape is similar. It is lovely!

Thanks Ron! I have spent much time with the list of genes by Dr. Yoneda also. I also have a "translated" copy of the list from Kyushu, which I use a lot also because they use a bit different language...or at least it gets translated differently. I use both to help decipher the meanings of genetic terms and descriptions that get translated various ways. It is fun, but frustrating sometimes.

I am glad you pointed out to me the fourth, recessive, blizzard gene, as I had really overlooked it! I would like to get access to the literature so I could maybe glean more descriptive information...if there are distinguishing characters or affects of these various blizzard genes. I appreciate your ability to take me back to reality by reminding me that there are so many different factors involved in a displayed phenotype...and genetics is just one! I have a tendency to over simplify some things.....probably so I can make sense of them!

I'm looking forward to exploring the blizzard like look I have found in the I. cordatotriloba population near me. As well as isolate it, I may try some test crosses to the pink and the white varieties also present.

Arlan

I think it is ok to create a hypothesis and follow some kind of plan. I`m simply going to grow out the crosses,collect selfed seeded pods in batches labeled with the information so I can go back to it. I might do back crosses if I get the notion. I will probably tag blooms that look unusual or get my attention for whatever reason and collect batches from that entire vine. Then I`m going to do a test grow of a randomly selected dozen or so seeds and then see if I could use them for trading as a hybrid mix or maybe they are super special and I want to do a bigger grow out. Time gives some answers and maybe not all at once but the mystery and unknown factors just make it more fun and interesting.





This message was edited Mar 9, 2007 9:31 AM