I've had white datura pop up out of nowhere. Certain pretty flowers, but very aggressive!
Gita, I think you mean jimson weed, not Joe Pye weed.
FIRST FLOWERS OF SUMMER!! AUGUST Edition :)
Gita, this is not Jimsonweed, the common Datura stramonium weed, rather something like D. inoxia or D. metel
David, what's the difference between the common jimson weed and D. inoxia or D. metel? I've seen gorgeous double D. metel that look like brugmansias, only with the blooms pointed up.
Different species. This bloom is at least twice the size of D. stramonium, and the leaves are different. Also, Jimsonweed is not night-blooming. Daturas and Brugmansias are very similar, but Brugs tend to be woody and have pendulous (drooping) flowers, while Daturas bloom upright. Chemical properties of the two groups (genera) are essentially the same.
David, the white datura was probably from Chantel. I also got a few from her.
Love the hummer photo, Wind.
Seq, the Chinese Aster is great planted with Coreopsis. They are blooming together now. The stalks are very strong (don't like floppers). The flowers start from the top of the stalk and gradually open all the way down along the stalk to almost the 1 set of leaves. Very interesting. Does anybody know if I can grow them from seeds collected this year? Or do I have to buy seeds again?
Interesting Donner. Floppers can look nice depending on the situation though.
SS--thank you for correcting me--I thought "Joe Pye weed" was wrong!
David--SO? Yours is a regular "Metel" Dtura but white?
Another difference between the JimsonWeed and the Metel daturas is that the
weed one has velvety soft leaves.
The regular (Metel) ones have big, strong leaves.
I have grown 2 Daturas for years from seed. have plenty of seed to share.
They ARE so beautiful! ONE seed apple will supply you for life with seeds.
--One is the triple purple/white one--"Black Currant swirl" (the stems are almost black).
The purple Dat. seed pods have dark spots on them. Pic is of a plate-full of split pods.
--The other one is a double yellow one.
The yellow Datura's. seed pods are all green--with soft spikes.
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Gita, I've always loved that blackberry swirl datura of yours. I've picked up some of your seeds a few times at the seed swap, always get them to germinate, but then somehow get side tracked and don't get them moved outside. One of these years maybe I can follow through and have them blooming here.
Couple of things blooming this week:
#1 - Gentian
#2 - Hydrangea 'Vanilla Strawberry'
#3 - Japanese Anemone noid - maybe 'Serenade'
terri--
I misnamed the Purple Datura--and it still sticks in my mind.
The correct name is: "Black Current Datura".
I have eaten Black Currants. YUK when fresh! But they make great jam.
Currants also come in red and white.
They grow better in my Old Country and other cooler regions than here.
The shrubs can get pretty big. Like a lg. Azalea bush.
--Starting Daturas from seed--you have to seed them early (inside)--like February.
--They take their time to germinate. Ask sally!
--They don't like their roots messed with--so transplant them in a 4'' pot.
--After they are planted out (carefully!)--they will just sit there and sulk a while.
In about 2-3 weeks--they will take off and grow really fast.
I can send you a primer I wrote. same thing on Brugs. They are very helpful.
Gita
This should be more--"The last Flowers of August....
Nothing "NEW" to show you--but I will show you the different Phlox
I have in my garden. They are all still blooming away--amazing!
1--This Phlox is somewhat two-tone. A nice big cluster
2--This is Phlox David--it is ONE strong-stemmed plant in front of #1.
3--This is another "wayward" Phlox in the same grouping.
4--This is one of the red Phlox that survived the winter. I thought they all died off.
5--This is another red Phlox in my Kitchen-side bed.
Jill's Aunt Felicia's Phlox is so spectacular--it deserves many pictures.
It grew to over 4' this summer and is still blooming away. The color is NEON!
1--Aunt Felicia's Phlox. it grows by my lamp post at the corner of my patio.
2--Another close-up. This color just Pops! When I look out my BR window--
that is the first thing i see.
3--This is last month's picture of the 2 Phlox in my S. bed. David is in front...
4--Brazilian Plume Flower...
5--MG--Blue Rocket (?) growing up the fence of my raised bed.
Looks great G! I have a few new pics I took on Tuesday but haven't gotten a chance to load up yet. Perhaps tonight.
Thanks, Jeff---
It is so nice to see the Phlox blooming so late when there isn't
much of color left to look at.
There are a couple more blooms I forgot to post.
1--This is a clearanced, shopworn. HB I picked up at HD for $6.98.
These are the Co-Co fiber ones that ran about $29.
Lookie at it now!!! Just have to remember to water it every other day.
2--First Prize Rose blooming again. Now that the beetles are no
longer on everything--the blooms can be enjoyed.
3--Two more buds to bloom on the same Rose..
4--Another Glad just opening up.
5--Karen's tall Ageratum I WS'ed and one survived. It is huge--and sprawling.
Will make sure to gather all the seeds I can.
G.
Is that Ageratum an annual variety? It looks nice and I like your hanging basket as well.
Jeff--
The Ageratum is a biennial--so will self-seed.
I only have this one plant that made it through the WS'ing.
It is rather tall--and wide-branching. The color is pretty intense blue.
Years ago, I had a tall. perennial Ageratum. It self sowed all over.
In the spring--I would pick out the seedlings and put them anywhere i wanted to.
They are easy to ID--as the seedling's leaves look just like the adult ones.
Here is another picture of Karen's Ageratum--a bit wider angle....
I will save every dried up head i can get my hands on....
It is growing amid one of my Wassabi Coleus clumps. I LOVE this Coleus!
You HAVE TO grow this Coleus next year!!! The color is amazing--and goes
with everything... I can start some cuttings for you now--if you want to
deal with them until next spring...They grow fast and get quite large. +
You will have to re-pinch it more than once...
Gita
Ok, I wasn't quite sure what WS was and thought that it meant winter stored. Now I think it means winter sown. It looks nice with that coleus but I think I'll have to pass on it for now. I'm still trying to avoid non flowering plants at the moment but if I can't find anything to fill an area next spring, I'll let you know. Thanks :-)
Very pretty color combo, Gita.
I agree -- Gita, that combination is lovely.
Sequoia: I'm just the opposite -- I've been focusing more on nonflowering plants of recent!
Yeah I can respect handsomely done foliage combos but I just can't get past flowers. This winter I'm going to do some research on finding June/July/August flowering full shade perennials. I know they're out there so it's just a matter of finding them.
Here's some of my latest pics:
Lobelia x 'Sparkle Divine'
Conoclinium Coelestinum
Lobelia x speciosa 'Fan-Salmon'
Rudbeckia subtomentosa 'Henry Eilers'
Jeff---
IF the plants you are looking at have tags in them--there is a color code re the
light requirements for that plant. It is on the stick-in-tag.
Yellow----full sun
orange---part sun-medium light.
lavender/purple--Low light.
If one is a newbie--at least this will help somewhat.
--Here's the tag from the Astilbes I just bought for everyone.
See the orange at the top? And it says--"part sun"...
--Here is the tag for the Cone Flower i bought---see all the yellow--and the little sun?
You get the idea? Gita
Thanks G but I have learned not to trust tags, especially when it comes to zone hardiness. If I'm at a nursery eying an unfamiliar plant, I always look it up on my phone before buying it.
Well--
Not everyone has "THE PHONE"!!! I do not--for one. Don't need it.
All the Info I share with customers is filed away in my brain...filed away
in all the nooks and crannies... Like--"click"--and it comes out my mouth.
It is pretty amazing---even to myself--I can't remember the day of the week
or someone's name--but if someone asks me a question bout gardening---
it is right there! And I know things that you will never find in a book.
Collected information and knowledge over the years--like trivia about gardening.
So--the color classification helps a bit....G.
I've used my phone to look at cultivars of el cheapo bagged roses before buying. Get DG open and see user comments, saved me a bit of heartache and a buck or five.
Jeff, I've also been looking for late summer/fall blooming perennials. What I have that fit that category so far are Lespedeza 'Gibraltar', numerous japanese anemone cultivars, and numerous tricyrtis (toad lily) cultivars. I'd be interested in any others that you might id in your research.
I have the smart phone too, but I don't use it often enough to get speedy with it. Whenever I do, I am slow and clumsy, fat fingers and poor eyesight. Usually the phone battery is low or dead. It amazes me the info that is instantaneously available if I could just get with it and out of my comfort zone to take advantage of it.
Agree with Aspenhill on late blooming Anemones. Monkshood also blooms late. I got 3 little plants from Gita 2 years ago, and planted them next to Anemones with white flowers. Their blooming periods overlap some, although Monkshood's blooming starts probably a couple of week behind the Anemone's .
Beautiful blue against white!
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Lol G, you're silly. I need something to bring my knowledge close to your level and that is THE PHONE :-)
I'm careful about looking online including on DG because somethings are inconsistent. I usually try to hit a couple of sites and take an average.
We cross posted..
The bush clover is nice but way to big for the application I have. I'm just looking for a few plants to light up an area over the summer without having to rely on annuals. I have anemones, lobelia, physostegia, chelone, tricyrtis, etc. but I'm looking to cover the early to mid summer time frame in the shade. I'll have to check out the monkshood.
Totally, dg users in plantfiles can be inconsistent or post to the wrong listing of species of cultivar. Like any research, check more than one source. I looked at rose cultivars and picked the one with good comments. 'Camelot' which has one flower now.
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/233070/
Monkshoods bloom really late in the season--like October....
In my garden--for some odd reasons--the Monkshood never really thrives.
It grows nice and green and tall--all lush--and then, around August--the leaves,
from the bottom up, start drying up until there is only the top part left.
By then--there will be some late, puny blooms--but they are gorgeous.
David thought that they were getting too much water where I had them--
from rain runoff from my shed roof. He said his never get watered....
Maybe--I need to treat them with some kind of Fungicide to stop this
dying off of the leaves. I want to, just once, see all these in healthy bloom!
I DID spray the stems and soil earlier in the season.
So-I moved them to this small bed which is shared by my white Peony,
my Proteus Clematis, and a bunch of annuals. There is a big, old Azalea
at the end, but this is not exactly IN the bed...
I have moved this plant to different locations twice now-- same thing...
I have given starts to other people (David and donner) and they have NO problems.
That makes me "crazy".....
Here's what i can do--
I will dig up the two in the small bed and sink them, immediately, in a pot.
They are tall--about 2 1/2' +. Will stake them. Hope this would not mess
them up too much for the fall blooming...
Jeff--I am sure you will want one? Terri--will you take the other one? LMK.
The Monkshood has roots made up of many easily separable corms,
much like the roots on a Liatris. Then a couple of you can have a start.
I still will have a big pot of these, which is sunk into my Kitchen Side bed, right against
the house foundation, behind my big Endless Summer Hydrangea and a Hellebore.
1--Here is a picture from May 2013. You can see how nicely they are growing
on either side of the Clematis. Wish they stayed that way......:o
2 &3--here they are in Oct.--see what I mean? blooming--but otherwise--shot.
Terri--
A very nice late bloomer in part shade is the new England Aster.
I shared several starts at your Swap. It is a tall-growing,
fast multiplying perennial.
Should be available at Nurseries.
G.
Alright G, I'll try out a Monkshood. What sort of sun does yours get? Perhaps it needed more shade?
These are on the AM side of my house--so they get good AM sun-at least
the top parts of them do.
I took some pictures just now to show the already developing crud.
I also had an idea that the problem could be lack of air-circulation.
They are always in a place where there are piles of other plants around them.
Of course--all these 'other" plants get watered on a regular basis--and then--
so do the Monkshoods. I try not to--but it is useless....
I have never been sure if this "issue" starts in the roots--or is just on
the stems and leaves??.
Here are a couple pictures just today. I am so discouraged....so tired of it...
Maybe i should dig the big pot (pic. #2) into my YUK bed somewhere--as
there will not be any wet soil around there....BUT--there is sun there....bummer....
Need to give it more shade and an open place to live....a hard place to find here...
I will put you down for one of the clumps--Jeff. Will go out and dig it up today.
Hope it does not interfere with the plant's growing and blooming...
G.
G,
I've got a nice shade place for it where it will get decent air circulation. I'll plant it amongst the galium odoratum and tiarella. How tall does it get and do you have the whole common name for it?
Seq, my monkshood is planted with Anemones on the west side of the house. They get several hours of sun before the sun goes behind the trees. They get very tall in my garden, probably 5'-6'.
Jeff--all I know is "Monkshood". Let me Google it to get all the other names...
Aconitum Napellus--Monkshood.-- aka "Wolf's bane".
donner--
Would you share with me and Jeff--how you take care of it (IF you do)
and, in your observations--what does it like--and not like.
Mine struggle--obviously--and never get taller than 3' at the most.
I still do not know what I am doing wrong.....I have had this plant for years!
And--every year--it has all the same problems....
HA! In the below link it says the Monkshood likes damp, houmous soil at all times...
http://www.outsidepride.com/seed/flower-seed/aconitum-napellus.html?gclid=CPGT9bOrp8ACFa_m7Aod2HEABg
BTW--Jeff--see all the stems it has? Look back at my pictures....
Each of the stems will have its own little bunch of corms. SO--very easy to divide.
G.
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I don't know G, MOBOT says this plant is pretty picky on water and such. I think I'll pass on it. Thanks though!
Gita, I haven't really done anything special with the Monkshood. They are planted on the west side of the house, getting several hours of afternoon sun. I don't water them because they are too far away from the water hose. The garden bed is overcrowded. That is probably how the soil retains moisture. Shade plants, such as ferns, Brunneras, and Bleeding Hearts all self-seed there.
At the moment, the white Anemones planted in the area are budding, but the Monkshood will take several more weeks.
Thanks, Donner---
Two of my earliest beliefs about Monkshoods (not sure where I got these?)
have been shot-to-Hades.
1-that Monkshoods like shade
2--that Monkshoods don't need extra watering (this came from David).
Now I have to decide what to do. Definitely--move them to a sunny location.
Just ONCE I would like to see a healthy Monkshood full of blooms...
G.
What can I say? I have Monkshoods in 4 locations; all part shade, high areas of beds for drainage, in rather poor soil with no additional water. All clumps are thriving.
Well, David---
The only thing I can say is that mine are always deep behind something else.
Like I said--this leaf fungus may be due to lack of air circulation.
Will need to do something about that.....Hmm--plant them in my neighbor's bed???
You know I have been dealing with this EVERY year since who knows when.
G.