Yeah Coleup, I'll take them. I'll give you the $$ at the swap. I'll just cut the roots and they should be fine. I need some more things to light up the shadier side of my Honeylocust garden in the mid summer. The ones I have grow in bright/dappled shade now so these will do fine. Thanks! Do they have any other fun 4pks of shade plants?
Sally, my plumbago doesn't spread as much as some people's. All mine is either in shade or part shade though, none in full sun. Maybe that's the reason.
PLANT ADDICTS CHAT # 2
JB, good to see you!
Sally, I have no plumbago, so if a piece of yours is looking for a home this fall... :-)
coleup---
When you say "4-packs"--do you mean the "market packs" with 4 cells?
If so--the 2 Nurseries here that i shop at have gone to 4-cell packs (IN ANNUALS)
already 3 years ago. I think they sold for $2.50 each--full tray for $
12.
All I can say is that the plants in 4-packs have more space in each cell to
develop better roots--even if it seems you are getting fewer plants.
Jeff---
Nothing has brightened up my beds like the Wasabi Coleus I found last year
at Lowes. of course, I took many cuttings and grew a slew of them.
Now they are big and beautiful. I can take cuttings when we get closer to the swap
and put them in water for you to grow out. Be forewarned--they grow BIG and fast.
BUT--the 'blinding" chartreuse is an eye-catcher.
JB--
Thanks for posting.....You know many of us miss your knowledge and expertise
on CC's and propagation. See you on the D-mails...
Sorry--I still do not have the computer install finished. Poor Mark--he has spent days here...
Lots of unforeseen glitches---
The biggest was that the Windows-7 install disk had some problems with the licensing
numbers and so--after installing everything else--Mark had to spend a day here re-installing
the Windows XP that I had before. That is not working out as well either.
Putting an older program on a whole new hard drive...
Question--does anyone here have a CURRENT Windows-7 install disk I could borrow???
The licensing number has to work.....D-mail me if you do--please...
Thanks--Gita
JB !!!!!!!* Got so excited I dropped my keyboard! Rest assurred that the next time I cruise Homestead Gardens I will look for unusual Spider plants! Their new buyer has a penchant for new and different. Check out Hortcouture a plant breeding company in Canada that are marketing some unusuals for garden and house. This year they have introduced a variegated Milkweed called 'Monarch Madness'
The last Peace Lily I saw for sale was in Petsmart! You know, to go in those bowls of Siamese Fighting Fish so the fish have something to swim around in besides just water. Gita should be able to tell you when HD gets in their shipments of same. Pet Charle for me and let me know if you see any Monarch butterflies, my new thing.
Seq, youre on! I'll drop by there after my route today and see what's left. I can suggest some plants for color in shade but would like to know more of what kind of shade, other plants that do well there and colors and size, etc. And a pic or two would help.
Thanks for the offer G but I think I'll pass on that one. I'd rather have one that has more color to it rather than chartreuse. Plus aren't they annuals?
coleup, thanks for the name of the Canadian place. I just got the Shamrock Spider from a Canadian shop but I have no idea what the name was. I think I got it on Amazon. It is a beautiful deep green. I just bought an Ocean this morning from Hirt. I had no idea there was such a variety to look for.
Nice to see you to Critter. Hugs.
Coleup, I have all winter for this project so I'm sure I'll be posting pics to get ideas but it gets sun from about 10-12 and then bright shade and as the afternoon goes on, deeper shade. Tiarella does great there and, in fact, I have a Sweetbay Magnolia that grows well there too. I just want to get some color for the June, July months. I think I'm going to add some lobelia for later in the season and I already have obedient plant, chelone, and spider wort there.
Seq- my big Plumbago is in lots of sun and a site with pretty consistent moisture too. I will compare to a newer patch I planted, edge of the bed under the maples, but I think they're doing pretty well too, second year and we had such good rain this spring.
Jeff, have you considered Ligularia for that shady area? You can get some really gorgeous yellow "POP" with those babies! If I remember correctly, the ones we have at work are dentata "Britt Marie Crawford". They like full shade, have awesome chocolatey foliage, and get about 1-3 feet tall and wide. Low maintenance, moderate moisture, and attract birds and butterflies. Setting it behind some heartleaf Brunera would make the foliage "pop" a bit more... or maybe Creeping Jenny..??
So, speaking of plant addicts... I've gone and done it again. Was strolling through the greenhouse after one of the girls was out there cleaning up/tossing things that simply were NOT selling... and found clumps of un-potted Irises in the trash can. OH NO!!! Out from the trash can they came, straight into the bed of my truck.. today they get installed. (the bulbs are nice and firm, and the "old" foliage is green and firm, they do NOT need to be thrown out!!) As I recall, they are both lavender and rather short bearded ones. I think the tags blew away in the drive home, so I'm not entirely sure which ones they are, but I'll dig through them better when I get out there later.
I just can't seem to help myself!!! I'm sick! Sick I tell ya, SICK!! < =P
Hey, if you have the time and the place to rescue them to, why not?
Irises are hard to keep in pots- they grow out sideways so much.
Ligularia is neat looking but big, right?
Just got some red spider lilies in trade-
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/2109/
Fall blooming surprise lily.
They should be hardy, and they should go forth and multiply nicely for future swapping. The chief 'complaint' seems to be blooming is a little unpredictable, often after, or maybe needs, a heavy rain.
I have pink Lycoris which blooms midsummer, and one is blooming right now, they haven't been blooming for me last few years. Hm, I might have dug and bagged some of the pink ones, maybe if I plant them now they'll bloom.
My Moonflower vine Ipomoea alba? is starting to bloom! Haven't grown this for a long time but I LOVE the scent, and watching the flowers. Come over almost any evening for the next two months and watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2VtRz27gHA
I thought ligularia wanted constantly moist soil. Are they ok with medium moisture?
We planted Ligularia many years ago in one of our shade gardens. Had trouble keeping them sufficiently watered and they were all gone in a year or two.
wow - if David can't keep them alive...
I did see a Ligularia at the local garden outlet that I liked but it's getting to that point in the season where my motivation to plant stuff is waning rapidly so I didn't buy it. I also have a Ligularia stenocephala 'Little Rocket' and that puppy is pretty large and bloomed this year although I thought the blooms would have been a little more showy. The Ligularia that I saw had yellow daisy like flowers to it and was very pretty for sure but I don't remember what it was called. I do plant on getting a Jack Frost brunnera for next spring as I really like the heartleaved foliage. The creeping jenny is out though as I already have galium odoratum and tiarella cordifolia in that bed so I'm good on ground covers.
Cross posted...
Ligularia does like a lot of water. I only had mine wilt once this season but last year when it was planted it needed tons of water. I guess I'll be a slave to watering it during a dry year...
BooHoo, no obedient plant 4pkgs left. as the few remaining 4pkgs of perennials were recycled.
I like the 4pkg cause I have 4 opportunities to get it right in my trial and error gardening for plants that will do ok in my degrees of sun/shade yard.
What lobelia are you considering?
Thanks for looking :)
I'd take pretty much any lobelia. I have a bunch of the blue from GT, a purple, a salmon, and a fuchsia. I would take more of the same also but a red one or two definitely need to be added for sure. I got a red one from Santa Rosa but never planted it because I read that it was a short lived perennial/annual for my zone. The plant only cost $3 so I left it in the pot and am enjoying it that way but I'll probably give it to someone at the swap since you all have a better zone than me. I red one would make that area pop for sure. I'll have to take a pic of it and post it up. I only have pics of the area in the spring when it's on fire with color and happenings. It's not a super large area but I just wanted a couple plants to be of interest in the June-August period of time. After that, the chelone starts up as well as the anemones.
Jeff, you are welcome! Lol not that I need an excuse to go on a plant expedition but 'looking for a friend' is as good as any!
I found this quote on lobelia cardinalis very enlightening as well as the entire thread:
http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/peren/msg061239019209.
"Mine are definitely coming back from the original plants. However, they make "offshoots" or "offsets" in the fall, and that is what actually overwinters. There is a great explanation about Lobelia cardinalis and the way it winters over in William Cullinas book on Wildflowers. It is one of my favorite books and will type an excerpt:
"Lobelias are not true perennials, because the flowering stem and its associated roots die after setting seed. They are perennial in effect only because new offsets grow from the axils of the lowermost leaves and quickly put down their own abundant white roots. It is especially important, then that these new offsets be coddled a little in the fall. Think of them as seedlings that must be kept free of debris and competition so that they will have a chance to establish roots before winter. With a little attention, the plants will come back indefinitely."
That is why I dead head these plants, including removing the seed pods as they are forming and even before a stalk has finished blooming. I want them to establish healthy offsets for the winter."
This is from a 5A zone gardener in Mass. Maybe you can get some offshoots on your potted Santa Rosa one and then and then winter over pot/pots and all in shed garage and plant out offshoots in spring? Well, that's what I am going to try with my Queen Victorias which I am growing in pots set in large pans of shallow water (my mini ponds). Going out to dead head now. Hopefully I will have seeds and plants to share.
That is interesting Coleup, I didn't know that about them. Now that you mention it, there are a couple offshoots coming up in the pot next to the main stalks. The only thing is that this one is the 'Fan Scarlet' and it's only hardy to zone 7a and I'm 6b so if I keep it, it might not make it.
From what I was reading about that Ligularia that I'd mentioned up there ^^, it says they like "medium moisture", though I have to admit, I've never grown them myself. I'd listen to what Greenthumb says before anything else, quite frankly.
Our yard may be a particularly Ligularia unfriendly environment due to soil and location at the crest of a ridge. Someone with a low-lying, shady site with deep, organic rich, moisture retentive soil would probably do fine. If anyone knows of a shade-loving cactus, please let me know.
Pictures of some Pretties today at HD--some flowers I have not seen before....
Hope you enjoy.
1--Gloriosa Daisy--"Prairie Sun"---I bought one of these--still trying to think
of a place to plant it...
2--Coneflower Mix
3--Another new Coneflower
4--A most beautiful petunia--it was everywhere--and it lasts and lasts...
5--The Blue Rose of Sharon. Now--that is REALLY blue!
Pretties--page #2.
1--Coreopsis "Big bang Star Cluster--white
2--Coreopsis "Big bang Star Cluster--Yellow
3--A new colored Petunia--no name...
4--A gorgeous-leafed, fairly tall perennial Hibiscus. Bloom looks just like my KK.
5--A gorgeous Ginger.
wow Gita, wonderful show! I like them all, except that second pink Coneflower that is all 'cone...too weird for me.
Notice, I even liked the blue Rose of Sharon....gasp! It is a pretty shade of blue.
Sally---The CF you did not like was really wilting already. Kind of ragged...
Need to reply to SS about the "Astilbe" I described. It had such a gorgeous,
deep magenta bloom spire! It was on a shade-plants table.
Well--it seems that it is not an Astilbe at all! See picture of tag.
The skimpier pots of this plant are clearanced at $3. SO much is now clearanced...
Here is a pic of the tag. What do you make of it???
Thanks for sharing those pretties, Gita!
LOL @ Greenthumb's search for a shade-loving cactus.
Do you think Ligularia would do well in a bog environment with roots *really* wet? I have a couple of water garden pots that are getting more shade than I'd like, so I'm going to try them with boggy plants next year, something that needs only part sun.
Gita, I think "False Spirea" and Astilbe are the same thing. The "Visions" series has been around a few years now, very nice varieties, dense & floriforous!
there's tiny lettering saying Astilbe on the tag.
Anybody grown Crinum lilies? They should be fully hardy here. I may get some in a trade.
Sally--in that case--I would buy one for $3.
The blooms were amazing color....
Wonder id these would do better in the bed-by-the-Shed?
The other one I had there--i was always digging up pieces and taking them to a swap.
I grew a couple Crinnum Lilies ages ago! They were an excercise in patience....
I don't think they ever bloomed for me. VERY long, lanky stems..
Hard to winter over......I eventually got rid of them.
BUT--maybe that was when I still did not know anything much about gardening...
I think someone sent me the bulbs....maybe a trade?
Don't mean to discourage you--give it a go! G.
Ooh, that's the astilbe variety I've been looking for! I'll run out tomorrow and see if I can find them at my local HD!
SS--
If you cannot--i can pick up a couple for you.
Now--the better, bushier ones are NOT clearanced..($3) yet...
The ones that are--have, maybe, 3 stems in the pot. But--you know that
Astilbes spread fast.
They look pretty ratty once the blooms are gone...
LMK--which ones--or maybe you will find your own. Good luck!
Look on a table that has perennials on it--and that is in the shade.
Gita
Jill, some part sun, really wet feet plants you might consider for your bog are
Asclepias incarnata - Swamp Milkweed
Caitha palustris - Marsh Marigold
Chelone glabra - White Turtlehead
Eupatorium dubium - a Joe-Pye Weed
Iris versicolor
Iris virginica
Lobelia cardinalis - Cardinal Flower
Lobelia siphilitica - Great Blue Lobelia
Mimulus ringens - Monkeyflower
Saururius cernuus - Lizard's Tail
Spiranthes cernua - Nodding Ladies Tresses
Verbena hastata - Blue Vervain
Veronicastrum virginicum - Culver's Root
Ferns
Dryopteris cristata 0 Crested Wood Fern
Osmunda cimmamoea - Cinnamon Fern
Osmunda regalis - Royal Fern
Thelypteris paulstris - Marsh Fern
Woodwardia areolata - Netted Chain Fern
Woodwarda virginica - Virginia Chain Fern
If yo have
Thanks, Gita! I'll let you know if I can't find them at my HD.
I've got about 10 different astilbe cultivars, and this year particularly noticed that 'Visions' in David & Pat's garden and 'Visions in Pink' in my garden really stood out and lasted longer than the others. The 'Visions' series is on my plant addicts list for obtaining more! I'll have to go check out the local HD too, but it seems like Gita's HD always has much more to offer than the local one. If they have it, I'll be pleasantly surprised and I'll be grabbing them up LOL.
No more astilbes left at my HD! Gita, if there are any left at your store, would you be able to buy them and hold them for me (and maybe Aspnehill)?
Question--
How many total?
The clearanced ones ($3) or the fuller, reg. price one ($6.98...I think) ???
Seems I will have a car-full of stuff I am bringing to everyone else....:o)
****While on this topic--I still have about 6 packages (25ea.) of the
bamboo stakes--$2.50 /pckg. 3' long, nice brown color--blends right tin.
LMK! Gita
I'd love the clearance ones, but I'd be willing to take the regular price ones as well.
I'd like 3 total. Aspenhill, are you still interested?
I will see what's what tomorrow. I don't think anyone else will buy these.
People may not know what they are--besides--they look so ratty!
Will put you down for 3. Please find out what Terri wants. asap.
Gita
Good morning. I checked my local HD yesterday on my way home from work. Just as I thought, nothing. I would be very happy to have as many of those $3 'Visions' as you can get. I can't imagine there would be many left, but 3 would be great, up to 10 would be better. If by some miracle, you could get as many as 10 for me, I'd be willing to pick them up before the swap so you don't have so many things to pack up and haul up to Ric and Holly's.
Gita, can I get a pack of the bamboo stakes? Thanks