Contemplative Conifers...

Scott County, KY(Zone 5b)

...in Cincinnati.

Established almost 170 years ago, Spring Grove Cemetery has a long tradition of significant and well-kept plantings. An early example of the rural landscape cemetery style in the Ohio River valley region, Spring Grove is not only a serene final resting place for generations, but it is also an assemblage of fine architecture in its monuments and mausoleums, and an educational collection of trees and shrubs recognized with arboretum status.

I took a walk there Thursday.

It is still a little early for much color after this long cold winter, and few deciduous plants were showing any signs of emergence. The conifers, however, were holding court in their stately and always elegant manner.

1. One Calocedrus decurrens stands defiantly upon a hilltop, with half of one of its former full-sized mates to the left. A long-time third partner perished in 2008 due to the remnants of Hurricane Ike.

2. A newer member of the tribe, this is a Picea koyamae recently transplanted from the cemetery's nursery.

3. Cunninghamia lanceolata var. glauca has gutted it out through a demanding winter - somewhat browned, but never downed.

4. Despite the gray day, Pinus bungeana displays its colorful patchwork of flaking bark - this one at the burial site of famed conifer enthusiast Stanley Rowe.

5. The trunk of a pendulous Pinus sylvestris stretches toward the heavens.

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East Bridgewater, MA

These are great pics and I learned a few new species. Thanks for sharing!

Scott County, KY(Zone 5b)

More Picea koyamae...


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Scott County, KY(Zone 5b)

More Abies borisii-regis...


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Scott County, KY(Zone 5b)

More Calocedrus decurrens...

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Norridgewock, ME(Zone 5a)

Lovely trees and pictures, thanks.

Eau Claire, WI(Zone 4a)

I've been meaning to get to Spring Grove for about ten years now, but just hasn't worked out for me. I will get there eventually. Are the plants reasonably well labeled?

Picea koyamae is new to me. The picture of this spruce in your first posting appears to be about 20' and somewhat gaunt. Was that your impression and was it moved due to lack of sun? The American Conifer Society website has this: "Koyama spruce only known from a single stand of around 100 trees in Honshu, Japan, on Mount Yatsuga-dake." I think that would qualify as being rare.



(Robin) Blissfield, MI(Zone 6a)

Thanks so much for the Conifer education, really nice!

Lititz, PA(Zone 6b)

That calocedrus decurrens is pretty awesome. Any idea on the height of it?

Eau Claire, WI(Zone 4a)

Mmm, was P. b. 'Rowe Arboretum' selected from this tree by chance?

I wonder if Lacebark Pine is popular in China? How about Paperbark Maple? Some of you will no doubt disagree with me (perhaps all), but from an aesthetic point, they seem like one trick ponies. Sour grapes? Possibly...

Scott County, KY(Zone 5b)

Here is a closeup of the same tree in each of the full view Calocedrus decurrens images above.

The taller fellow is about 6 feet tall. The top of his head is about at the lower extent of the foliage on the tree. Use that scale on one of the full view images, and approximate the height of the tree from that.

Check back with your results, and we'll compare notes.

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Eau Claire, WI(Zone 4a)

Beuerlein! I hope everything is well with Scott.

Lititz, PA(Zone 6b)

VV: I'm going with 75'. What'd you come up with?

Northumberland, United Kingdom(Zone 9a)

Quote from Pseudo :
I wonder if Lacebark Pine is popular in China?


Yes; some very famous old specimens, too:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:White_Robe_General_in_Tuancheng,_Beihai_Park.jpg

Oh, and worth reading the plaque (just possible):
Quoting:
This tree was planted during the Jin Dynasty (1115-1234)

Anyone else know of any other planted trees with a history that long??

Resin



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(Robin) Blissfield, MI(Zone 6a)

That's bloody blinding Resin!

I'm digging that Calocedrus decurrens too, my guess is 120'.

Lititz, PA(Zone 6b)

There's a PA state champion specimen of Calocedrus Decurrens at Longwood Gardens. I think it's 98' tall.

Eau Claire, WI(Zone 4a)

Quote from Resin :
Anyone else know of any other planted trees with a history that long??


I have not seen anything even close to being that old, but I did see a bonsai specimen at the National Arboretum last summer from 1625.

Eau Claire, WI(Zone 4a)

I found the pictures of it. How would you like to be responsible for doing the training and maintenance on this?

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Lititz, PA(Zone 6b)

Wow, I wouldn't want that job. I'm sure that if you were a bonsai expert though, you'd be chomping at the bit to get to take care of that specimen.

Eau Claire, WI(Zone 4a)

I've been in a comtemplative mood of late, and I was wondering what pines Resin would plant if he found himself in a situation that required it. Knowing how scholarly plantsmen sometimes view such questions (dimly), he may opt to completely avoid it. I can appreciate that, but of course I don't agree with it. :-) So, Resin...

Northumberland, United Kingdom(Zone 9a)

Quote from Pseudo :
I've been in a comtemplative mood of late, and I was wondering what pines Resin would plant if he found himself in a situation that required it. Knowing how scholarly plantsmen sometimes view such questions (dimly), he may opt to completely avoid it. I can appreciate that, but of course I don't agree with it. :-) So, Resin...


If I had the space, and soil and climate for it, I'd plant one (well, 3 or 4 at least!) of each of the ~115-120 species ;-)

Resin

Northumberland, United Kingdom(Zone 9a)

Quote from Pseudo :
I have not seen anything even close to being that old, but I did see a bonsai specimen at the National Arboretum last summer from 1625.


If I remember rightly, that was a gift from Japan to the USA on the occasion of the 1976 US bicentenary . . . a little dig to a new nation by giving them a potted plant 150 years older than the nation ;-)

Resin

Eau Claire, WI(Zone 4a)

Quote from Resin :
If I had the space, and soil and climate for it, I'd plant one (well, 3 or 4 at least!) of each of the ~115-120 species ;-)

Resin


You're a tough pine nut to crack. One of these days I'll coax it out of you. ;)

Scott County, KY(Zone 5b)

I would expect Resin is well on his way to completing that planting - as space, soil, and climate permits - and the first accessions were provenance to begin the restoration of the ancient Caledonian forest...

Eau Claire, WI(Zone 4a)

It's gotten late and now I have no choice but to read about the ancient Caledonia forest. Damn you ViburnumValley.

Eau Claire, WI(Zone 4a)

Quote from Resin :
If I remember rightly, that was a gift from Japan to the USA on the occasion of the 1976 US bicentenary . . . a little dig to a new nation by giving them a potted plant 150 years older than the nation ;-)


I find gift giving between nations and national leaders interesting. I see Queen Elizabeth II gave Pope Francis a bottle of whisky on their first meeting (her 7th pope). I like that, but what really spoke to me was President Obama's gift to the pope: a seed chest.

What do you suppose would happen to this Japanese White Pine if it was planted out? I'm guessing it wouldn't last long.

Northumberland, United Kingdom(Zone 9a)

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What do you suppose would happen to this Japanese White Pine if it was planted out? I'm guessing it wouldn't last long.


It would start growing at normal growth rate and turn into a full-size tree. It would then last about as long as the species normally does in normal growing environments, and subjected to the normal hazards of tree life. My guess if planted in DC, it would succumb to either a hurricane, or else to root rot, in maybe 100 years or so - or maybe much less if it gets pine wilt disease.

Resin

Eau Claire, WI(Zone 4a)

Has an almost 400 year-old bonsai Japanes White Pine ever been planted out? Are you really sure that's the way it would play out?

Scott County, KY(Zone 5b)

Wow.

For a guy from the wilds of wooly white Wisconsin hinterlands, you got a bucketload of skepticism...

Eau Claire, WI(Zone 4a)

I think a dose of skepticism can be a good thing. If I were a betting man, I'd certainly go with Resin's view; it would be foolish not to. I'm just wondering if a plant that has been sitting in a flat container for more than three centuries wouldn't struggle mightily if thrown to the elements. I obviously don't know, but is there anything wrong with questioning it? It would be interesting to know what the staff at the National Arb would have to say about it. BTW, congratulations to UK on their win over the Badgers. Great game.

Scott County, KY(Zone 5b)

I think my mom's (UW grad, class of '53) brain exploded...

Central, MD(Zone 7a)

I'm very pleased with the Conifer report and discussion.

I wish I could say the same about UK vs. Conn...

Saint Louis, MO(Zone 6a)

Since this thread is hopelessly off track anyway,
I have to point out that I'll be at the UConn/UK game tonight.
I've been to every final 4 for the last 20+ years!

Eau Claire, WI(Zone 4a)

Lucky you! BTW, what the heck is a Billiken? OK -- back to comtemplative conifers.

Scott County, KY(Zone 5b)

Methinks Weerobin is an NBA agent...

Central, MD(Zone 7a)

Wow weerobin! That is impressive.

I can lay claim to only one final four. Any guesses? I was a freshman undergrad...

Eau Claire, WI(Zone 4a)

Dang, the only thing I did is play in it. ;)

Eau Claire, WI(Zone 4a)

Here's one to contemplate. This white pine has lost about 1/3 of its canopy over the past three winters, with about 80% of that coming in the past year. It lost two more large branch clusters, which made me feel sick. I've now had a chance to stand back and admire it for what it is: Pinus 'fastigiata' from the wrong side of town. No, it's a plant that has had more than its share of bad things happen. Wouldn't it be interesting to see how it will play out?

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Northumberland, United Kingdom(Zone 9a)

All part of nature! I'd be more annoyed if some vandal had done it with a chainsaw.

And you have a nice big bunch of fresh pine-scented foliage to put in vases around the house, an extra christmas to enjoy ;-)

Resin

Pepperell, MA(Zone 6a)

i was just thinking that a chain saw would make it fine outdoor firewood.

they all loose branches to wind and snow damage - I like the look of the bark - just hard to keep them clean with the branch remnants hanging around until they fall off.

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