Plant Propagation -Part 2 -The Basics

we came from here . I am hijacking your thread to restart JB ! LOL

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/f/propagation/all/

Well,, so I forgot to mention June ..lol

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Not my thread Ju, just tried to keep it alive for Dave. I love the fact that I no longer have the responsibility. Go for it. I will drop in once in awhile.

Thanks Ju for moving the thread. I need a nap. I will return.

I just thought I would for june . here's lousy pic , the best I could get for now of a brand new Rue shoot , there is another coming up right at the base of this one Two others there that do not show in the pic .

The reason for this is after some time and no sprouting of the seeds . I first placed an ice cube over the seeds to variate the temperature wildly , one day later one sprout , did that again with an ice cube and some of the home made rooting hormones , There are at least three sprouts in the cup 5 days later ,,

I will pic this again , this a slow plant from seedling the sprout you can see is 7 to 8 days old now ,,

Interesting... Do you just lay the cube on the seed and leave it until it melts? I think I missed the beginning of this idea ;-)

Sure ,, One (1) ice cube laid onto the the middle of the starter pot . (usually I will use one to three ice cubes one at a time , all at the same time period , )
The reason ; That seedling sprouted in less than a day (the first) if you wait to redo any of the ice cubes in the starter pot it is to easy to burn seedling with the cold of the cube )



The Idea : Some seeds are stubborn to germinate , This variates(changes) the temperature to extreme ,
The Possibility : The seed has to have, a certain temperature in the seeds germination range , that has not happened , unto that point and time ..




Later I used a smaller ice cube , avoiding the sprouted seedling , I placed the smaller ice cube to one side of the starter pot , (it was hot here, the cube was placed away as to not make any direct or near direct contact with the seed already sprouting ) Conclusion , a slightly colder temperature (but not stratification ) is the temperature the seeds needed to germinate .
Result , a couple more seeds have germinated ..

Ju, brilliant. How in the world do you know all this?

Of my younger days Professor Luther Burbank , South Cal , U science study group and information thesis that were once available from there and Oxford and Cambridge , natural earth science . Those Were my Idols !! lol
All those have done AGRI studies since the earlier parts of the 1800's and some before .
That includes cell , petrification , stimulation of bio physiology , of all natural and organic substance .
There use to be leaflet type booklets you could get when I was much younger from any of these places ,, Those info booklet type things were really old , only they explained more commonly some very ,,, if not excellent,,, ideas and theories ..

Luther Burbank has been my idol for a very long time. He was a very persistent young man and knew what he was to do at a very early age.

The result of the above is I ended up with only the one rue plant the others collapsed , why? got me .. but it happens ,,
I also found that willow water will dissolve Butryic acid and indole in pill or powder form ,, (concentrates ) you know ..lol

Question about Cerinthe major, blue honeywort?

I received some seed in trade last year, excellent germination, last year (emphasis added).

I had eight or ten seedlings in excellent health until I potted them up from a 1" cell to 2" pots.

The seedlings collapsed the same day, I ended up cutting the top off the healthiest and it rooted. It lived for a time but not long. I surmised that I had transplanted the seedlings too deep and overwatered as that's what the conditions and symptoms suggested.

This year I started the remaining seeds determined to have this lovely flower. Four healthy seedlings, two in a cell. One started to show same sign of collapse as last year from our cold wet spring I think. Part of the stem shrinks and turns dark. Perhaps injury from wind, or a passing Carolina wren looking for breakfast?

This year I transplanted the seedlings up to a fast draining soil and noting that their preference seems to be more prostrate than upright, into a long low windowbox to allow them to unfurl. I did not water when I transplanted, and then only minimally. Again, one with the stem injury looks like I may lose. May lop the top off and try to root it like last year.

Tell me, is this plant typically cantankerous? Adverse to moisture? Prone to lie down?

I'm frustrated, but since I transplanted up to the window box they seem a little more sturdy and able to take more Sun. Haven't checked them since yesterday's storms.

Just wanted some help from the good ol' propagation forum. Thanks.

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Ju:

Please Go back to the last thread and copy and paste this link to your last post:

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1315835/

You inserted a link to the forum, not the thread. I got lost, others will too.

He was just testing us Amanda!

I put that there(the link) , I don't test people on purpose , that Amanda's job .. Me? I would get clobbered !!!!lol

Amanda i doubt this will help as you had already implied growing conditions to stem problems , This then sounds that the plants ether cannot be moved or in how they are being moved is the problem ,
Lots of us go through the same , your technique and condition are still your own , no matter what you grow.
It does still sound like something in the soil they do not like or something (microbial perhaps ) is attacking them ..

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Maybe they do not like to be moved. Sow them directly here you want them.

I been outside where it is too hot today , for now ,
I was wondering if any one around here remembers the growing water experiments from the fifth grade science books of the 1950's
I remembered how for a while and have forgotten how . Yes I know a willow water Existentialism lol
I use to continue to get the water to grow with mineral rock (gemstone ore) like the ancients may of? You know , sap contains nearly a gallon of water for every gallon of sap ,, The algae from rock happens in the dark (and microbial form ) Like western caves where algae makes droplets of water from salt ..
Technical help ? Any one know where the 1950's science book or where that information might be found ?
With all the experiments on trying to catch water in the desert . It brings to mind the ancient square box or ark box technology .. Why not grow the water for plants and animals , and keep ours for us ,, besides water shortages ,, bring anything to mind ?

And just in case ,, My 1968 teachers use to tell me DNA, Supercarbons, and that either with RNA didn't exist either Giant waves and level five storms ,,, you know ,,, those things that don't exist ...

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Ju..

I don't remember those experiments... too young.... but I know there are lots of ways to catch water. I imagine those were quite interesting.

How about the bombardier beetle who spreads his wings and catches his weight in water when the moisture passes by?

Or....

One could ....

Lay out plastic and put a weight in the center with a small hole to drain into a container beneath it.... the dew that falls at night will gather on the plastic and fill up the container....all you need is 30% humidity... the more plastic.... the more water. Not as exciting but maybe less work! -:)

Have a great evening Ju... hydrate!! Nancy

Jur thanks for the link.

Oy. And I thought this was the propagation forum.


So. The Cerenthe major survives, 3 plants out of four I think. They all look stronger for exposure to the elements. I think the best advice thus far is to direct sow, as they do not like to be transplanted.

Could be soil, could be anything, but the same "poor" transplant/growth results 2 different years leads me to think that is not the case.

Thanks.

A.

Well see the gardener usually has or comes around to the solve : Grandma and Grandpa says : Practice makes Perfect .
Reminds me of :There is no teacher like experience :
Have a Cleche' cache anyone ?lol

I had a pod of native wild hyacinth seeds that popped in my hand today , they fell to the ground where they grow , hope they do ,
Really difficult and slow from seed the info says.Would of been better if I could of kept them and winter sowed them , woodsy , forest type plant.

Yes that is probably the truth.

I robbed the New house neighborhood of many Lupine seeds and poppy seed and a few others on my walks in the area before the deadline on the 15th, to have all brush cut down, for Fire safety of the community. So hope to have luck with them as I have not had with the seeds Nancy gave me. I think I will put them out in Late August and hope to see them all next year in my house. I know it is not legal to cut them or remove the live plants. Don't know about the seeds. :/

I have two lupine blooming in my front garden. But i purchased the plants. I will take photos tomorrow and remember to harvest the seeds.

I grow lupine perennis here , two older returned , lots of little ones for next year .
Any advice on what rue plants will grow with (other plants) and a few location ideas about the garden ,?any advice is appreciated ..


Sharon from other thread ..... smarty ....

I did lupines from seed a couple of years ago, Deno method, stratified in the frig. They sprouted over a 3-6 week period. As they germinated, I potted them up. In the spring I planted them out, they bloomed the next year in the garden. Babies sprout here and there every year, but they don't get coddled, and don't survive.

I just started a designated lupine section, with a few purchased plants from the Russell series, and plan to let them colonize. I hope they agree!

I have wintersown lupines with good success. I may try again this coming winter. Last year, due to health problems I did not do any wintersowing. As well, I was working on a quilt for my great-grandson. I prefer sowing to sewing any day!

The little fellow in the avatar got my hybrids, one tutti fruitti and two older perennis is all that survived from last year .

I will try the rue where some of the Ranunclacae have been appearing , that should work .

Wow, avatars are dangerous! (Heh, heh...)

AvatArs, Evelyn you're silly.

I would love lupine, TX bluebonnets, certain others. For some reason haven't been successful with those tall lovelies.

They have low foliage, larger plants want to outgrow all other plants around them . Little ones tend to burn in the open , which is how you are suppose to grow them supposedly . Grow them like wildflowers mine are that , hybrids are different .
Amanda I have the seeds marked for the newbee seed stash at Dg , but if you want try the wild blue perennis That is the northern version of the Bluebonnet your welcome to some , last year four plants made over half a lemonade pitcher of seeds ..

If I can get some seeds of lupines. I can send some. I took some today, I think the white ones. The white ones and the purple ones grown there in profusion. The brush had to be cleared so the seeds are only in wild land areas but I know where to find them. Won't be back there for at least a week though.

They stratify outside if you live in cold climates.

I think I decided it was too humid here for lupines. I was surprised that I did not get germination from the tx bluebonnets. Thank you both for the offer of seeds. I'm going to hold off just now as I am not sure where I would put them! For a couple of seasons I had some yellow snapdragons that served me well all season long!

Wild lupines are only difficult to start sometimes , probably the southern version the Texas bluebonnets , it was to humid for. Lupine perennis grew wild once where you are it's a native .
Hey weed talk at sunrise ! lol, I have intermittent Snapdragons also . love all the Buckeye Butterflies with the eyelet wings .. fun.
Just started some more ...he he

Dawn...

I'd take you up on those lupine seeds!! -:)

Still no poppies? I noticed that this year I had fewer than last year...but still lots of them.

Nancy

Have I posted these already?

Poppies in first photo from from seed Sharon sent last season. :)

I direct sowed them this year in January or February. They have gotten a little leggy and were choking out some zinnia volunteers, but I pulled them forward a bit, and they bounced right back.

Second image Rudbeckia 'Prairie Sun' from seed started last season. If I didn't know any better I'd tell you that it bloomed once last year at the end of the season and had a dark center. I was thrilled and amazed when it bloomed this spring. The species Rudbeckia behind it, and the other side/ back of the bed in the third picture.

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So pretty Amanda... I love that prairie sun Rudbekia...it looks happy planted there! Nancy

So pretty! I used to love the annual poppies, always had some. But somehow this garden is never quite settled enough at the right time to direct sow anything, so finally I put most of the seeds in a round robin before they got too old. Maybe next year...

Have you seen this one? The first 'Cherry Rose' Nasturtium by Botanical Interests bloomed today and is very pretty!

I was worried that I wouldn't get any germination because I soaked these seeds overnight (oops!) and the hard outer coating on the seed got very mushy and came off of some seeds altogether.

When I see the wildflower lupines, they grow on the sides of the mountains, and on the sides of the roads. They are short-lived but put on a spectacular show why they last. It is hot and dry here in the summer, though not as hot as the inland valleys. Still, usually, quite dry. Funny thing as I say this, it rained today and it is also predicted for tomorrow. Since it rained, that could mean different wild flowers for this coming season. Some only germinate at odd times like that.

By the weekend, it will be in triple-digits in Sacramento. We are supposed to visit granddaughter then, and great-grandson Steven. I wonder where we will cool off...hmmm....

No Nancy. 3 of them grew and I saw them for the first time yesterday. So pretty. I know there are only 3, but it gives me hope for self sowing for next year in the Tehachapi house. Thanks. Yes I will hopefully go there this week and still find seeds on the wild lots that are not mowed and get you some.

I am jealous of Ev, with the rain. boohoo.