kev, you might want to look at mosquito netting at an army surplus store instead of bird netting. The downside with actual bird nettting is that birds get caught in it and then you have to deal with releasing them from it or prying them out of it if you don't notice in time to release them. army surplus stores sell mosquito netting designed to fit over a cot. It works really well in my garden. Maybe you could rig something like this if you don't have a structure already to hang the netting from.
These beds are 4'x6', the pvc is 10', the netting is a perfect fit.
Hope this helps.
What's going on with your Veggie Garden: Part 3
Pure genius!
I think that would definitely keep the Stinkbugs off the tomatoes!!!
Mary, do you mind if I pin this on Pinterest?
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I don't know what pinterest is but don't see why not....whatever.
The downside to this enclosure is bees cannot enter for pollination purposes. At this time only tomatoes are being protected by the netting and the air temp is in the triple digits so no tomatoes will pollinate anyway. Just keeping the birds off the already set tomatoes while they ripen.
Thanks Mary, my problem is my tom plants are almost 6 1/2' tall and on the corner of a raised bed. I would probably need about 50 square feet of netting... Plus, we've got zucchini right next to them and they are really packed tightly against the tom plants. I've got some 5' light-duty fence posts and had planned on criss-crossing them with PVC to make a hoop house-like set up.
Next spring the only thing going in the raised bed will be zucchini, cukes, & squash. Tomatoes are going into containers exclusively. Easier to move if need different spacing, diseased plants or things like that. With the catastrophe that befell Cricket, I will try to eliminate one variable out of the equation...or at least have a quick solution..
#1 & #2 Tomato end of raised bed, Big Beef, parks Whoppers plus 2 Roma plants...
#3 Cukes with a solitary cantaloupe, the only one the leaf-footed hasn't killed yet...
Kev,
You say a Leaf-footed Stinkbug killed off your cantaloupes? That's a new one on me.
I thought it was the Squash Vine Borer that damages/kills the vining plants.
MaryMcP
If I pointed you to Pinterest, you'd never be over here. It's an online pinboard (bulletin boards you set up for yourself to "pin" stuff you run across on the web).
Each board is a personal bulletin board of things you want in that category. I "pinned" your mosquito netted RB picture to my board entitled "Gardening Tips!"
Linda
kevcarr59, the only way I have found to beat the birds is to pick at first blush. I've tried netting, a 410 ga shotgun, water nearby which only brought in flocks of birds.
LOL!
That sounds like that new weed killer commercial! The lawn care guy sprays a pristine lawn to kill one weed. Next morning, the homeowner steps outside to find the whole lawn dead. The only thing standing is that one weed! Hilarious!
What is the best way to stop something from eating my veggy plants? Happened in broad daylight wile I was at work, ate the swiss chard, beans, peas, squash..Help!!!
Depends on if it walks on two legs, six legs, hops or flies in on feathers.
At my old house I had problems with the two-legged variety. Acquiring a shotgun and practicing out back on weekends fixed that.
I fixed the feathered raider problem by putting out a birdbath and keeping water in it. Birds stopped pecking my tomatoes; they wanted water. And I believe I owe them an apology for blaming the berries on them. It wasn't a bird trying to chew through my shade netting to get to my blackberries yesterday, but a yard rat with a fuzzy tail.
Raiders which hop were solved with a fence. Doesn't technically keep the squirrels out, but they don't bother.
The six-leg problem is a little more complex. :)
Know your enemy!
Can I vent a bit here? This is turning out to be an awful garden year.
This winter, I lost a walnut tree. It rotted at the ground level. Granted it was a low spot, but it was on a slope and I piled up a mound of dirt to plant it in to drain even more.
Last year the apples nearly died. They look a little better this year. I have my fingers crossed.
Slugs ate almost all of my fall and spring crops. Aphids got the lettuce.
Two of my tomatoes looked happy one day and two days later they just up and died like they hadn't been watered in months -- the ones next to them are fine.
Two if my peppers out front got some kind of wilt and died. The ones out back have some sort of fungus rot on the fruit.
I just got the pathology report back yesterday -- every single one of my peaches, nectarines and plums have a massive infestation of bacterial spot. I can either remove them and never plant another prunus sp. or watch them die over the next couple of years.
Just as I was getting resigned to that, I looked out the window today and saw a wilted squash. It's not THAT hot today and the ground is moist. Yep, the dread SVB, which I've luckily never had before. Every single one of my vines has been hit, and that's a lot of vines since squash was this year's experimental crop. I tried the surgery technique on all the vines except the worst one. I pulled it up and it had NINE of them!
Granted, the garlic crop was awesome and I can't complain about the peas. The kohlrabi survived the leaves being eaten to lace. And basil is inevitable, right? But that those might be my only victories this year.
I've had those years and mine"s not starting much better, condolences.Your luck and plants will improve with time though,all things change.(hopefully for the better)!!!!
NicoleC,
If possible, try to see the glass half full. Use these setbacks as an opportunity to clear the pallette, start with a blank slate, as it were, and begin afresh, again.
►Build your list of new veggies to try.
►Run soil tests in the interim to see if there's a problem there.
►Assess what was working in the beginning, and try to deduce what happened so you don't repeat the same mistakes (if it was something you decide you did...)
There are many, many, many more seasons ahead!
Linda
Pulled the snap peas (they were done) and planted a few Toms and swiss chard.
I planted chard much earlier and even my lettuce is still good. Knock on wood.
Ever the optimist, Linda!
This is only my 3rd year in this house, so I've been in the honeymoon phase I suppose. I plan to be here for at least a few more decades so I've been careful to do things the right way the first time (or at least as much as there is a "right.") I've put a TON of work into the place and it shows, and while I expect losses this year has just been really hard. I got a fancy soil test this year that covers even micronutrients so I have a pretty good handle on where I need to pay attention. I found it very funny that the soil lab tech could even tell me I'd been using tons of municipal compost, because he told me to lay off it for a few years. :)
What am I doing new? Well, I'm growing new stuff. The BF likes the winter stuff so I've been planting way more of that, and every year I experiment with a new kind of veggie to find my best varieties.
When it comes to disease, I back up to many acres of woods and many of my neighbors have gardened for ages. The diseases are lurking in the wild and the bugs as well established.
I haven't even chopped down the fruit trees and I'm already measuring and planning my garden expansion. My BF isn't saying anything but I can tell he's pondering the amount of work this fall. :)
P.S. New garden design thread here if anyone wants to join in:
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1263915/
And basil is inevitable, right?
I hate to bring it up, but my bountiful crop of basils went from beautiful dark green to dying within a few days. The diagnoses is Downy Mildew, a disease that according to most sources didn't even exist until a few years ago, and is now threatening to destroy ALL Ocimum basilicum plants (http://vegetablemdonline.ppath.cornell.edu/NewsArticles/BasilDowny.html). Both Thai basils both got it (Siam Queen and a generic type), as well as Envigor™, Gecofure and Nufar sweet basils, all bred to resist fusarium wilt. The lemon basils (including Penang) were apparently not affected, and a few of the self-sown sweet basil plants seem to be less affected than the rest. Looks like pesto is off my menu until the breeders come up with a resistant strain.
-Rich
Geez..I thought I was safe with basil.
NicoleC I have had seasons like that. But the summer of 2010 was the worst (last year was bad but the weather was bad dry and hot) but 2010 everything I planted in one area died I'm not talking a small area. That garden is 50' x 75' so being optimistic is one thing but being realistic is another. All the money and time is something else. If I had a smaller area being optimistic would have been easier....I hate that sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach.
The diagnoses is Downy Mildew, a disease that according to most sources didn't even exist until a few years ago, and is now threatening to destroy ALL Ocimum basilicum plants (http://vegetablemdonline.ppath.cornell.edu/NewsArticles/BasilDowny.html).
Oh! I had that last year, but it showed up late in the year and the basil outgrew it so it really wasn't a problem, I just removed and destroyed the affected leaves. I bought the basil at a plant show so I couldn't say what breed it is, but if I get it this year I will report it.
mimitho - all the pathways are filled with fall leaves to a depth of at least 6 inches. Earthworms break these down into usuable castings, which I spread on the raised beds twice a year.
That's a great idea. For my soil and winter weather, I think I'll need to chop up the leaves first. Anywhere that I've mulched with whole leaves (I have mostly maple and don't mulch with the walnut leaves), they turn into a goopy thick mat, which would be great for weed suppression, but I think I'd slip on it.
Now I just have to wait until fall !
I use the vacuum attachment on our weed blower (which we never use) to grind the leaves up to smaller pieces. It works great. Hope this idea is helpful to you.
Yesterday I pulled all the pea vines. Today I started pulling the garlic.
The trellis on which the peas were growing is filling up with melon vines.
The garlic will be replaced with some bush beans.
The "Monica" tomatoes are growing, but sadly much of the fruit has BER :(
Honeybees are visiting the garden! YAY!
Summer Relatives, perhaps? LOL!
Honey - for the BER, someone on another forum told me she finely ground egg shells and scratched them into the soil. Claims she noticed immeditate improvement. fwiw, 2nd hand.
Mary - thanks for the egg shell tip. I've tried that without success. I add an abundant amount of crab shell to my garden every year, and that helps to some extent.
My theory is that when tomato plants grow faster than their roots can draw up nutrients it causes BER. I have some other paste types growing in an area that gets more shade and they are producing fewer tomatoes. So far they have no BER.
I'm going to test different things each year until I come up with a solution (if I live that long!) LOL
Gymgirl - Summer Relatives, perhaps?
I suspect it's a feral swarm out in the woods somewhere.
LOLOLOL!
I'm going to test different things each year until I come up with a solution (if I live that long!)
Exactly honeybee....exactly. It's so darn frustrating - there seems no consensus on this issue. I'm pulling all the San Marzano's from the bed this weekend, tucking in some sulphur to lower the pH, wait until September to plant some more.
I placed these trellises horizontally on the beds thinking to let the plants sprawl but that did not work as expected [best laid plans - literally] and combined with a thick mulch of ground up straw, I think the bed stayed too wet. It seemed never to register much dryness on the moisture meter. And the trellises made it difficult to scratch in granular ferts. sigh....so much to learn.
MaryMcP,
Not all is lost! I was inspired by your horizontal trellises. I scored one side of a discarded baby bed crib, and used the "ladder" to keep the neighborhood roaming cats off of my raised bed!
Thanks for the "accidental" tip!
Linda
I add an abundant amount of crab shell to my garden every year, and that helps to some extent.
My theory is that when tomato plants grow faster than their roots can draw up nutrients it causes BER. I have some other paste types growing in an area that gets more shade and they are producing fewer tomatoes. So far they have no BER.
We're having crab legs this weekend, but doesn't it make your compost pile stink?
Regarding BER, eggs shells and such are longer term sources of calcium. But calcium might no be your problem. Instead of years of experimenting, I'd get your soil tested for calcium, sulfur and such. Then you'll know for sure if it's a nutrient problem or not.
NicoleC - I purchase crab shell by the bucket from Worms Way. If you dried your crab shells you could probably add them to your compost without a smell.
The best thing would be to smash them into small pieces and add them directly to your garden. They break down surprisingly quickly.
I have an old VitaMix container that I use to grind up crab shells, then just dig holes and mix it in with my unused garden soil. Then when I need the soil I just add it to where it is needed.
Ha ha -- my dog votes for burying crab shells in the garden. She would be very entertained! :)
Honey - for the BER, someone on another forum told me she finely ground egg shells and scratched them into the soil. Claims she noticed immeditate improvement. fwiw, 2nd hand.
Ouch! I'm going to take a wild swing at the ball and say that it was probably pure coincidence. The metabolic and chemical processes needed to get anything from those eggshells into the developing fruit would take a lot longer than "immediate". The problem has been studied to death by biologists, biochemists and horticultural scientists, and even though there are a number of potential "causes", the one thing everyone seems to agree on is that it is a calcium problem. The issue here is that the developing fruit takes up all the calcium it is ever going to get VERY early in development. As soon as the fruit starts to develop, the flow coming in is via the phloem, which transports sugars from the leaves but not calcium (which, naturally, comes from the roots). Add to that the fact that eggshell calcium is only very slowly dissolved at near-neutral pH and - well, I'm calling foul.
Virtually all the BER problems boil down to water issues - there has to be an uninterrupted supply during that critical period when calcium is taken up by the flower ovary.
-Rich
Virtually all the BER problems boil down to water issues - there has to be an uninterrupted supply during that critical period when calcium is taken up by the flower ovary.
Thanks, Rich - that is very informative.
We've had copious amounts of rain very recently, so perhaps my BER issues will be abated with the next group of flowers.
Next summer I'm hoping to be able to add a drip irrigation system to the garden. I will have paid off my car loan by then, which will free-up some much welcome extra income.
I'm going to need a pump to get water from the rain barrels into the drip system - any ideas?
Honey, can you use gravity instead of a pump? put the barrels on a stand?
Rich, Thanks for the information. The bed with all the roma types never dried out. I monitored it carefully with the trusy moisture meter. The bed had fresh soil, a sandy loam mix from a local landscaping company, plus a load of compost. I did not have a soil test but, using a cheap prong type meter, the pH was pinging about 6.5 when I planted. It's about 7 now.
Since roma's are historically more prone to BER, I'm going to switch to hearts for sauce tomatoes. It's just too discouraging to lose so much fruit after all my care. wahhhh, sob sob. I'll just grow something that's not so difficult.
Mary - our garden is on a slope. Although we could put a barrel on a stand, I would be very scared that at some point it would tip over. I've either read, or seen on TV where one can put a pump in the barrel to water a garden. Right now, I'm schlepping buckets!
My rainwater tanks are uphill and upslope by a fair margin. Gravity will eventually work but the pressure is really lacking so it comes out as a trickle. It works, but it's really, really slow. I use my rainwater tanks for hand-watering stuff and watering in and such, but when I really need to give the garden a good long soaking, my drip system is hooked up to the spigot with a timer and I walk away. I'd put a pump on my tanks but I have no power out there. Solar system, someday...
If you use rainwater for drip irrigation, you have to do some special filtration or it clogs up the emitters.
Pic 1 Here is the latest canning effort, twenty five pints of tomato sauces, 10 Hot Salsa, 10 Pasta Sauce and 5 Chili Base. All using Ms Wages mixes.
The canning season is winding down here. It is time to rearrange the cupboard putting the newest jars canned in the back so the first canned are used first. The only thing left to can are jalapeno peppers and hopefully some okra.
It has been a good season.
Pic 2 My latest toy, jars with fermentation airlock for fermenting veggies. Already got some cukes going. Cabbage will be going into the second jar.
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My pole beans have finished producing, but I have seen several new blooms so I'll have more soon! The okra has finally started blooming, so I should have okra to pick soon!
