L@@K! Unusual mutant F2 blooms/vines!

Susan - Thank you for going through all the trouble to figure out what the seeds are that you received from Summerhill. If the seeds look similar to I. nil seeds, then it is likely Ipomoea obscura. I believe the ipomoea hederifolia seeds are smaller in size like I. purpurea seeds.

If you aren't going to grow them, then I would love to try to germinate a couple of them. Hang on to them if you find them and we will definitely do a trade! :-)

I will gladly give them to you if my "weak organizational skills" (cleaning) take a turn for the better, lol!

Ipomoea ochracea has lite colored sds if I'm not mistaken.

The ones I have from Texas Pudding are not light. I am waiting on blooms from it. I planted like 4 yellows of different vines. I am still waiting for a yellow morning glory.
Jackie that one is beautiful!

Thanks Debra. My lvs looked ratty but the flowers were a beautiful yellow.
It's getting time for it to set buds again.

I have had no luck with the yellows.
I've been trying for 4 years now and still haven't gotten one to bloom.
But I'm not giving up till i get one to bloom for me.

rh I grew a supposedly yellow I nil this year "Oborozuki" came out a creamy white, I was disappointed to say the very least!

I have one too, which is always green and no buts visible.
I do not know if they can overwinter?

pajonica that would have made me mad.
but some of the vines I've tried to grow came out different than what they were said to be.
And it was more sad than mad.

Jon - Oh geez! That's a bummer that "Oborozuki" turned out to be white and not a yellow color. Oh well! I hope it at least gave you some pretty blooms!

Dany - Did your lush vine have a cultivar name?

I've gotten many a seed that was supposed to be one cultivar and turned out to be something completely different. Open pollination and hand-crossing can really be disappointing sometimes if they don't have the blooms you were expecting. Crosses are notorious for throwing weird genes or plain genes.

Dany, maybe you can take the pot indoors for the winter, they bloom some for me, not as much as outdoors though, I don't get the big flushes and less often. (this is no greenhouse, just in the livingroom. You could at least get some seed.

It's Ipomoea ochracea ,can it be regarded as perennial as they say Heavently Blue is a perennial in tropical condition?
In my greenhouse or in the apartment there is a place for this plant, of course!

I grew obscura in Southern California in 2005 and 2006 zone 8/9 it never came back for me, I had four or five plants there. In 2007 and 2008 I grew them in New Mexico, they never did come back here either zone 7/8.. maybe in a greenhouse they will be perrenials.. I also have a tough time germinating these, even with fresh seeds.

I've never had real luck with this one either, very hard to get the seeds to germinate and then I can't get them established, it is perrenial in TX though.

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Ochracea would be a perennial in the ghouse. Mine does just fine thru the winter. That's it favorite time to bloom, so regular watering
I've never had any luck germinating the obscura but will keep trying as
I would love to see some of the small yellow blooms.

Well, I have one yellow perennial bloomer that is still going strong. I am wondering if I will get a lot more blooms this winter. I really love my Yellow Chinese Evening Glory vine.

Sad news though ... I have found rust on the leaves of my Heavenly Blue vines. They are going off to MG Heaven soon. So sad. I don't see any seed pods on any of the vines either. Which is REALLY sad!!! ;'-( But my Flying Saucer vine is still going strong. The funniest thing ... it is growing in an 8 oz. cup! LOL! Who would've believe that was possible? It's been blooming up a storm lately. Just hope to see some seed pods forming.

With risk of others being bored seeing some more blooms from FS, I wanted to post this delicious photo for everyone to see! I have larger vines of other cultivars and not a single flower and here is this pathetic vine trying to survive in a small cup and doing an amazing job at it!

"Grow and bloom where you are planted!" - should be this vine's motto! LOL!

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A photo of one of the I. purpurea hige blooms. It looks more like a carnation than a MG. It's different than some of the other higes I've grown as it is not elongated. The bloom is rounder with many petals. Kinda neat looking!

Becky for this kind of flower you are obliged to make hand pollination or else you will not have seeds.

Becky, I love your Flying Saucers. I think mg's are stress bloomers so
it doesn't surprise me that its blooming in a small pot. My 1st Saz lite
from Karen in 05 bloomed in a tiny pot.
I love your hige, beautiful colors.
You still have your original Chinese Evening Glory? I did not realize
that one is a perennial.

Your bloom is pretty too Dany.

Very Pretty, all of them! I am a strong believer in growing mgs in small containers .. I never thought about the stress factor tho...

Thanks once again for your kind compliments.

Well, here is my attitude about growing MGs in small containers ...

The Japanese have been doing it for centuries, so why can't I? The vines stay more compact and still bloom rather nicely. I always wonder how their seed production is? I shall find out this Fall/Winter...

Not a single seed pod on any of my outdoor tricolors. I also saw rust on the leaves of the Flying Saucers. Luckily, these cultivar seeds are easily found at the dollar store locally.

We've been getting sporadic rain, so the humidity and heat is quite high right now. So high, that it is hard to breathe outside for very long. Ugh! I guess I am lucky I don't have asthma. We had brief but very hard rain last night. I filled two 5 gallon buckets with rain water in 5 minutes ... getting soaked in the process. I bring the buckets on to my screen porch to keep the mosquitos from breeding in them and use them to water my porch and indoor vines. They love the acidity in the water!

Jackie - Yes! That Yellow Chinese Evening Glory is a perennial and doing great. It's one tough vine! Been through the heat of summer and made it through our very chilly winter (though I did bring it into the garage several nights). It blooms in winter and I hope to see more blooms this year. I will be starting the Bloom Booster with that one soon. I would love to see it covered with tons of little yellow blooms. I really love this vine! Maybe because I have a Chinese DIL and granddaughter. ;-)

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Becky, I really enjoyed your Chinese Evening Glory blooms last winter
and my ochracea blooms. The first blooms I've had on ochracea since 06.
More than anything, mine needs repotting.
Send us a new pic of your grandbaby, would like to see how big
she's getting. :-)

Yes, Please do!

Becky I can vouch for that! Most of my mgs have been grown directly in the garden soil, got too tall and unmanageable. Those I do have in containers are much smaller and pound for pound have produced more blooms! I still find it amazing just how small the containers are that the Japanese grow them in! Perhaps the compaction of the root system somehow produces more flower? Just a novice here making simple observations.

Jon - Well the Japanese know something that we don't! You live right there in Japan, maybe you could ask some of your neighbors about how they get them to grow so well in such small containers. I want to know what kind of soil and fertilizer they use! LOL!

Becky I see amazing results here, when I question people they say "well thats how we grow them" small containers with standard compost, many don't even use a fertilizer! Their results are interesting to say the least,
it seems to me small containers induce a response of more blooms and less vine! Mine, grown directly in the soil, while doing well have produced more vine than blooms! Lesson from the Japanese?

Compost huh? You know, I have noticed that when my MGs are rained on, they really perk up! I wonder if they do better with a little acidity in the soil? Maybe the compost is the fertilizer and it has all the nutrients and trace elements in it for the vines to thrive despite being in containers. That is really interesting, Jon!

Of course ... Japanese compost would be much different than American compost for obvious reasons! LOL!

It is more and more studies on plants and they have more and more abilities that not imagined before. For example they have memory with plants that ' dance '.
I think it has to do with the survival instinct. The intelligence, the brain of the plant,is in their roots (there would be a primitive system of neurons). They have a way to 'measure' the amount of soil available them they start working survie.
The growth phase is reduced and all energy is mobilized on reproduction.
I'm dying, what should I do to survive and the answer is flowers - seeds.

Hmm, Interesting Dany! I came across this seems to back up what your saying. http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/10/veggie_intelligence

Jon

Dany:

I don't know what you mean by "dance"; but your talent with MGs is incredible, and I take notes on your observations because you are so knowledgable!

My BIG question with the japanese growers, who use small containers, is this: do they snip the leaders? Or another trimming aspect?

The goal, I imagine, is to create more blooms on a 1-2 foot plant.

I confess my ignorance on this matter!

Thanks
Here is the GoGo dancer.
http://www.citehr.com/193480-desmodium-gyrans-dancing-plant.html

Japanese who take part in competitions, pruned their plants, the soil used is blended at 50% of inert material. It gives a lot of roots and plants are fertilized with fertilizer type 5-20 25.After exposure plants are bet in the garden.

Great info !!!

Thanks

Could someone explain about this cactus gene, please?

Dany your MG is really neat!

Donna - All I know is that the cactus strain is a mutant strain of MG. I've only seen & grown the one I photographed above in all the years I've grown MGs. It was sterile.

BTW - My Meremia tuberosa that was completely killed to the soil line in the container, is now growing again. Are the blooms bright yellow or pale yellow?

Donna, If I remember correctly, Gardener2005, Karen, has grown this I. nil with the cactus gene. She has a store and maybe you can email her thru there and ask her for the growing specifics on it and it's genetics.

Becky, I think it is supposed to be bright yellow, on Merrima tuberosa. Although I've not seen it in person, just photos. Mine never did bloom and It got left behind in CA when I moved.

A.

Mine never bloomed either, A. and mine got fwoze cuz I fergot it. ;( It was fun watching it grow all last winter, tho.

Donna if you know a friend who lives in Japan is not too difficult to obtain seeds at Kyushu University.

I'm early this year, my first 100 cultivars in their bath!

Holy Smokes!!!! That is alot of soaking seeds. Shucks, I don't know anyone in Japan.

Wow! Dany that is exciting to be germinating so many cultivars! I hope your weather is better this year and you get lots and lots of blooming vines!