Whaddya say??

Lower Hudson Valley, NY(Zone 6b)

I'd like to start a new feature where we can ask any question and get people's opinions. Goes without saying that we must avoid controversial subjects - politics, etc.

I'll start with this one. Allowances for kids?? Yes or no? Reasons??

We never had them when were kids. I am still undecided about doing it with my kids. I can see the plus of having them learn to earn and save. At the same time, the idea of paying them to do chores or whatever, is not something I'm crazy about. I think they need to do them without any promised reward. I have no problem with one-shot rewards for doing well in school, etc., and I have done that.

Whaddya say??

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Thomaston, CT

I say yes, because they can spend that money however they want.....you may think buying purple bubble gum is a waste of money, but that maybe something they really want, & it can come out of their allowance. That way, they can stop bugging you.

S of Lake Ontario, NY(Zone 6a)

I got a small allowance when I was a kid, so it was nice to save it up for what I wanted.

I hate to admit but I couldn't remember what I did for my son, so I asked him. He doesn't remember either, but remembers buying his own CD player but didn't remember where he got the money. When he was older I used to pay him for doing extra chores when he wanted some money (cleaning the bathroom, not his usual chore)

central, NJ(Zone 6b)

I got an allowance when I was a kid for doing over and above chores.
We do the same with our son, he doesn't just automatically get one.
We do pay for good grades.

New Hampshire, NH(Zone 5b)

I think the benefit of an allowance is that it can teach kids how to manage money from a young age. I got a small allowance as a kid ($2/week) and I was required to save 50% of everything I got - including birthday money. I couldn't touch the 50% - until college! The other 50% I could use to buy whatever I wanted.

If parents buy everything for their kids, they don't always learn the value of saving up for something. I think that is also the only way some kids will learn that not all things are not worth their hard earned money, afterall. As Robindog said, they may think they really want the purple gum, but if they have to spend part of their money on it when they are trying to save for something they REALLY want, they might learn to make wiser decisions.

I think if I had kids, I would give them a small weekly allowance (nothing like what some kids get today!) but then give them opportunities to earn more for helping out on chores that are above and beyond regular chores. And, as much as I hated having to save 50% as a kid, I think I might do that too. My sister has done a variation of that - she makes her kids save 50% until they reach a certain amount (I think $50) and then she lets them spend it on something special that they really want. They can't just blow it on junk or buy something on a whim with that money; it has to be something specific that they planned for during the time it took them to save.

Lower Hudson Valley, NY(Zone 6b)

Good points.

Yes, I am amazed at how much kids seem to have these days. Even in the midst of a deep recession. I still see so many teens driving out of the HS with shiny new sports cars. How do parents afford this? More important, why do it even if you can afford it? Kids are so spoiled today.

central, NJ(Zone 6b)

Yeah, the brand new car for a new driver totally blows my mind...my first car was 10 years old.

New Hampshire, NH(Zone 5b)

I didn't get my first car until after I was married - and it was a clunker - a 1976 Datsun B210 (that was in '93). Before that, I had to borrow my mom's car - and it wasn't an extra car either so it was hardly ever available. I have never actually had a brand new car. My current car comes the closest - it was 4 months old with only 600 miles on it when I got it in 2007. I agree; kids are too spoiled today!

Nantucket, MA(Zone 7a)

We gave our son no allowance.

We as a family have money to spend or not as life is fickle, especially if you are self employed. Thus, we, DH and I, have to justify our personal needs to each other about money being spent, so we did the same with our son when he was born. He was taught at the earliest age that most impulse buying (except for plants), was not part of our budget. If any of us wanted something it was discussed, researched and pondered over. Most major items that anyone wanted often needed to be put on the Birthday list or Christmas list, rather than bought on the spot by any of us.

He was taught to use any gift money from grandparents to buy a real item, so that he could write to them about the special item he bought with "their" money. He was not allowed to just fritter away his gift money on throw away stuff like candy or impulse buys or now for him to use to pay his electric bill. He once saved his gift cash for 3 years to get a better bike, as we insisted that his was still fine, just like my old car, quite usable, just not trendy.

When he was little we never said he couldn't buy something because we didn't have the money. We always said it is not in the budget now, and lets talk about it when we get home. We also might reject something outright as dumb, trash, dangerous, harmful, evil or nothing we would ever allow in our home. Period. He knew by age 3 about the magic CC's in our pocket and he would also see all the cash and checks in the registers at our bookstores, so that any line about not having any money would never work with him. I always brought home the days cash receipt each night, so a bag of money was nothing new to him. But he also knew we didn't take any of that money, as it had to all go to the bank in the morning. Uncle Sam's rule.

If he asked for something that we thought was OK and appropriate, we gave him the money. He was often surprised when we agreed to his request, as this was not the normal response. We played hard ball, a lot just to make him think. This child had pretty much everything he could need, but not always everything he wanted or when he wanted it.

He also got no money for doing jobs around the house or at the store, as those jobs were part of being a family. He always was expected to help with the laundry, yard, boats, cooking, pets, cleaning and anything that we did to keep our life moving forward. He had no assigned chores, but if something needed doing, we expected him to pick up the slack without being asked. His room was never the spotless, but he did far more than most of his friends on the domestic front. He certainly never got money for grades. His education was a gift and it cost us plenty, but in the end it was for him to enjoy and relish and to use in any positive way he wanted.

He never thought it was strange not to get an allowance as all his friends did. He thought it was more weird to get paid to be someones child. He once asked why some kids parents had to pay their kids for staying with them. Non of his friends seemed to save anything from their allowances. They wanted to blow it all the minute they had a penny in their pocket. I suspect our practice cost us more than giving him an allowance in the long run in actual cash spent, but we always felt that talking about money was a healthy way to learn to treat it wisely.

As for now, my son can save, as no one can, as he knows that he has to work at a real job, in the real world to get money. He also has a great deal of patience to research and wait to get exactly what he is looking for rather than buying things on impulse. He is a very educated consumer. But he, with those same skills of debate he learned at age 12 year to convince me to buy him a boom box, somehow recently got me to agree to help him furnish his new apartment in NYC with a fat check. I was happy to help him out. He spent his day off over many weeks looking for the perfect couch at a reasonable price even though I was paying, before finding it. Then he took two more days to decide. He is not indecisive or cheap, but very thoughtful about money, mine or his. I think his not having instant cash as a child gave him a good perspective about choosing wisely in a controlled fashion.

When he went to boarding school in the eighth grade we set up a limited account for him to draw from. It was to be used for minor expenses. We required him to keep an account of his expenditures and to report to us about them on a regular basis. He needed to learn that a random movie ticket, a couple of albums, a few burgers, a pair of new shoes etc become real money, real fast. We had only one issue with a questionable expense while he was in boarding school over 5 years. He bought some new electronic game. We made him return it. We also gave him a credit card to use only in emergencies. He never violated that thrust. He now has a debt card which is what he uses mostly along with checks. No money, no buy! Thus he has no debt. His credit rating is very high which he discovered when he rented his NYC apartment.

So I would say our son never suffered from him not having an allowance. I never had one either as a child, as the above is basically how my parents raised me and my 3 brothers. My husband had an allowance and was also greatly indulged in general. But he saw this as confusing and not great preparation for learning to spend wisely as an adult, so he was game to try the no allowance thing.

My biggest concern is, that when an allowance is given to a child, what they seem to learn is that this magic money comes with no effort. It is then usually blown immediately on inconsequential stuff, as the amount of money received in the allowance is never enough to buy anything substantial. Then lo and behold the next week rolls around and the same old sucker will hand this child more of the same to just blow again. Nothing learned and nothing received that is lasting. This child also seems to learn that an automatic raise is given by the parent for doing nothing more than growing older. This is a sweet, but totally unrealistic practice unless you believe in Welfare for the Able, Age 18 and Under.

But I am sure some have had good results from the practice of giving an allowance. Plus we had but one kid to herd through childhood. Good Luck. Tough question. Patti

Westbrook, CT(Zone 6a)

While I am generally in favor of allowances, let me offer a cautionary tale.

When number one son became a high school junior, my wife convinced me that it would be a good idea to give him a semester's allowance plus lunch money in one lump sum by giving him a bank account so he could learn to manage his own money by the time he left home for college or a job. For a while, all went well. A few months later we got an SOS call from number three son, and when we went to collect him we found that while trying to learn to ride, he had fallen off the motorcycle number one son had bought from a friend with his semester's lunch money. Only minor damage to number three and cycle, but you can bet that there was a confrontation when number one arrived home! Net result, one confiscated (and quickly resold) machine, one immediate budgetary readustment and hopefully one lesson learned by both sons and parents.

(Well, maybe not learned that well. Number one bought another cycle with his own money when in college, but after crashing it into a Sahuaro cactus one night when a little tipsy, he thankfully gave up two wheel transport for good.)

Eastern Long Island, NY(Zone 7a)

I always got an allowance!

- and contributions, birthday money, incentive pay, gifts I asked for, etc., etc...

Lower Hudson Valley, NY(Zone 6b)

Great perspectives. You make very good points, Patti. Wonderful that your son has been responsible from a young age. So far, I see my older one being more responsible than the little guy. But they're still young.

Great story, Don! Ouch on the crash. Hard to forget that lesson.

Thomaston, CT

Laughed at your story, Don! I'm saying an allowance is good for kids that are young like Victor's kids.....when my son was 16, he got a summer job....was not allowed to work during school time. He's had a job ever since, & does a great job managing his budget as an adult. A lot depends on the child....my stepdaughter saved her money for big purchases...my stepson blew his immediately......they are the same way as adults.

Lower Hudson Valley, NY(Zone 6b)

Like the prodigal son story!

central, NJ(Zone 6b)

It is a shock when you get your first "real" job and see how much the government takes from you.

Denville, NJ(Zone 6b)

yes esp if you worked off the books for the first job

Eastern Long Island, NY(Zone 7a)

(lol!)

Lower Hudson Valley, NY(Zone 6b)

Hee hee! The gov gets a nice allowance.

Salem Cnty, NJ(Zone 7b)

No allownaces here, but our boys did have paper routes from the earliest age that they could get them. I realize we live in an area that we didn't worry about them going out into the neighborhood. I think only once in many years did I drive them around. Saving for something, I think, helps anybody appreciate it more.

They helped out on the homefront when needed. At age 9 they started doing their own laundry.

Denville, NJ(Zone 6b)

I had an allowance and started working at 15... started in my dancing school... then to the racquetball club in the same complex ... then moved up to a few video stores

South Hamilton, MA

I had an allowance + money from relatives ( a bit) & babysitting. Chores were not paid as they are part of the family, pulling together to run the house.

Denville, NJ(Zone 6b)

oh I forgot about babysitting.... did a lot of that too

Huron, OH(Zone 5b)

I had a small allowance and got money from babysitting. Never gave mine an allowance, but they got paper route in 8th grade. When son kept spending more money than I could put on his school lunch account, made him pay it with his route money. I always have let the kids know that the budget could only go so far.

Lower Hudson Valley, NY(Zone 6b)

Loved it when they were small and thought the ATM just gave out money!

(Ronnie), PA(Zone 6b)

I never had allowance as a kid, and don't remember ever really wanting anything special. I didn't do allowance for either of my boys, both did paper routes and such at any early age and used that money for special things they wanted like the newest "in" sneaker. If they wanted something out of the ordinary they would do extra chores for them, never paid them though. Both worked steady since age 14 for us in the Pizza shop and paid for their own cars and insurance. They both paid for there own schooling, one for computers the other for electricity. (we have since reimbursed them as a gift for doing it so well) I am amazed at what the young kids get these days for doing nothing...it's sad...so many with no responsibility. It's easy to say yes...hard to teach them the right thing but it shows in the end when they become responsible adults that can actually take you to dinner!

Southwest , NH(Zone 5b)

All very interesting points and perspectives. I say "yes" on an allowance, but only for "extra jobs" like mowing the lawn as opposed to routine household chores like washing the dishes, etc. I think kids should be taught at a certain age to be contributors in the responsibility end of things. Everyone gets meals, and heat and entertainment like tv, etc., so everyone should contribute something for the benefit of everyone else in the house. Shoveling snow, mowing, weeding (Quote my son as a 7th grader: "But Mom, I don't know how to weed. They don't teach that in school."), mulching, etc. are above and beyond and deserve reasonable payment. After all, why else should we gardeners have kids? LOL

Pepperell, MA(Zone 6a)

i like patti's formula

Calgary, AB(Zone 3a)

I saw 'YES' to an allowance. I will dmail you luvly generous folks my addie so you know where to send mine ^_^ I had an allowance for doing 'chores' but I also always had a job when I was a seedling cuz Emoo grew up during the depression so they thought it was important that we understood that there was no 'free money'.

South Hamilton, MA

I don't see you weeding our garden so NO money!

Calgary, AB(Zone 3a)

:O That's SO cuz I'm exhausted from learning the bare bum irisii planting thing!!!! AND let's not even talk about the trauma of dividing!!! I need an allowance for irisii therapy!!! ps did you see on the shopping thread that I got 2 more ^_^

Pepperell, MA(Zone 6a)

talk to me about dividing lucy - i have some pretty big clumps out there.

This message was edited May 20, 2010 7:34 AM

South Hamilton, MA

OK in early July for us take a garden fork & lift the clump. The old parts in the center of the clump are finished as far as bloom is concerned. You will see the batches of new increases starting. Break them off & discard the old parts. Replant the increases. Check your library & see if the can get 'The Gardener's Iris Book' by William Shears for you. It gives good information & pictures of the process which I can't provide. Divide the plants before they start creeping into their neighbors.

Pepperell, MA(Zone 6a)

thx!

Denville, NJ(Zone 6b)

you just break them off... I was cutting them off

Calgary, AB(Zone 3a)

OMG I'm amazed that you can 'break' them. I have to jump up and down on a pitchfork to divide them. Do you think the rhizomes are gnarlier here cuz it's colder?

Lower Hudson Valley, NY(Zone 6b)

I've always been able to snap mine.

South Hamilton, MA

cut or break, whatever works. The increases will turn into flowering plants.

Lower Hudson Valley, NY(Zone 6b)

How many fans do you look for in the babies? Do you trim them when re-planting??

South Hamilton, MA

I cut back the foliage by about 1/3 when replanting. Helps prevent water loss in the plant. If you plant a good sized rhizome, there will be more energy for flowering.

central, NJ(Zone 6b)

That's the way to do it for all variaties of irises? I need to divide my sibs.

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