Jeanette & Veronica,
That Bloom Is a New Orleans Lady On Her First Night.
I Have Went Back And Attach There Names To
The Photos .
Some of my noid i lost the tags on them
So instead of passing something along
and Guessing I Just Mark Them NOID.
Now I have a better system in place to
keep my Brugs Identified.
CB
Pink Smitty
Very nice William.
Jeanette
O.k. William what is your system for ID-ing
your Brugs. We may want to try it.
William, did you see the Noid I have?
She has beena great bloomer after she
got going. She will winter outside. she is a Beauty.
Charleen
I can't imagine how you would do it other than going into the files in BGI or ABADS and compare. That is tough to do on some because they are so much alike.
And then there has to be a lot of cross pollination, so how would you tell?
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That is a very good question. I think I am just going to
enjoy them for their Beautiful selves.
Charleen, wait 'till you hear from William. I suspect he doesn't ID them. That is why he has NOIDs. If he doesn't get them with a name, or loses the tag, such as I did, then that is what he ends up with.
I guess I am fortunate in one way, that I only have 7 brugs and know what I am suppose to have other than one. So as they bloom I should be able to tag them. However, my problem is just getting them to bloom before the weather turns cold.
Jeanette
You have a very short Gardening time Too, don't you, Jeanette.
Brugs are so very Tempermental about their blooming. Are you growing your brugs as standards or from the Y? I didn't even know about the Y til this summer. Saw in one of the people was growing them in Hanging baskets. Must be a heck of a big basket.
But I know it had to be pretty.
Charleen
Wow, wonder which one it was to be able to have in a basket. I think they do so much better if their roots have a lot of room. The best I have ever done was a holy pot and then planted in a huge tub like the nurseries plant their trees in. When I did that the plant got to be as big, tall, as yours but real wide too. A shrub and loaded with blooms. No, I don't grow them as standards. Just let them grow and if they have time, each stem in the bush will Y.
Yes, about 4 months and that's it. But, look at the rest of the year. 8 months of dormancy. They really do not like that. Too long. They start growing in the dark. Weak growth.
Poor things. Show you how much I did not know. I asked some of the ladies about "pinching the ends to make them Y"
You cam imagine their shock. Well, doggone I didn't know. Pinching them does not help do anything but to bsh them out and you still don't have a Y. So now I know. But I am doing much better, I think.
Charleen
Charleen, I Have lost the tags on 3 of my Brugs.
So they will always be a NOID From Now on.
we have enough Brugs out there being
pass around with the wrong I-D attach to them.
So to make sure I do not add to any wrong
Identification I will always refer to the 3 as
Noid's.
What is so wonderful about the Noid Brug
they have out perform every Brug in my
Yard. They are the most vigorous Brugs
I have grown.
This year I started double tagging all of
My Brugs.
Also I Take a digital Picture Of All Of my Brugs
when I planted them in the ground Including
Wide angle view. So if a brug gets planted on the
Corner of the house, I take a corner shot of the home
and brug, then place the digital photo in my Brug
Folder with the name of the the brug attach to
Digital Photo File. I Use a re-writable cd and
also use a 8 meg usb memory stick for my Brug
files.
On all Brugs I Tag them with a slip on tag Plus
They all gets a aluminum tag attach to there Pots
or attach to the branch if they are planted in the ground.
The Purpose for the aluminum tag is when you
write the Brug names on the aluminum tags it
makes a indent on the tag. So if the slip on
tag ink Begins to fade, I have the aluminum
tag there as well for backup. I Know it sounds
a bit much but when you are dealing with about
87 different Varieties of Brugs you try to be
as accurate as you can. This really helps you
for Identification purpose when you are going
to Hybridize.
Hope I Made this very simple this is just what
seems to work for me.
Chocolate Brug
William, I like that added system of taking photos. I'll have to keep that in mind for future reference. I use aluminum tags that can be pushed into the ground. By trial and error, I learned to place the tag close to the trunk. Too close to the edge of the pot and they could get knocked out. LOL. Hard lesson to learn when the tag is found long after the pot has been moved. I like the idea of labeling the noids as well. I don't, so when a named one loses its tag, I have another NOID.
Jnette, It is easy to lose a tag or to have the tag fade. Unfortunately, not many ways of tagging are foolproof. I use a Sharpie and a plastic tag on cuttings and newly rooted cuttings. I don't use the aluminum tags until the Brug is growing well. The tags are expensive so I tend to wait. I don't normally take a Sharpie out with me when I water and don't think about it until I see a fading tag. Sometimes, "later" never comes.
As William has pointed out, once a Brug becomes a NOID, it has to stay a NOID. Flower color and shapes can vary enough from flush to flush, that comparing it to photos, whether in ABADS or BGI or PlantFiles to get to a name can only lead to mislabeling.
That's right, and exactly why I was not encouraging Charleen to try to do that. Sorry if you thought I was.
So William are you going into, or have you gone into a business? With 87 of these critters you have a full time job on your hands. What do you do for bugs, mites, etc?
I haven't been in the brug forum in a long time, like a couple of years, but seems when I was, everyone in there was fighting aphids or mites. Your plants look so nice and healthy?
William, did you see my Noid?? She is in the ground. This is second year she has bloomed but first year I really watched her, Isn't that horrible? But after I started watching her, I was hooked. I always had topoint the Camera up for she was so tall. But I will tag her NOID, but she is a great one. Thanks for your filinf information. I will try it. Seems I have some Brugs under My desk and am hoping they all root. They are in damp peatmoss. The green ones I am having a time with, but woody oes look fair so far. Got my eyes crossed,fingers crossed and toes LOL. Anyway I hope they all make it!!
You have Beautiful Brugs.
charleen
Charleen!! You sound exactly like I was!! I did the same thing. You know those orange bags, plastic, that the newspapers come in? Maybe yours didn't do that. Well, they are orange, and long and skinny. I potted brugs up, put them in those orange bags, blew them up with my lungs, LOL, and knotted the top. Then had them in the kneehole of my desk and all over the house. I had about 60 of them that I had gotten from a lot of people. BUT, once they rooted and I had to give them light and other care is when I started running into trouble.
One of my very favs was Charles Grimaldi and I don't have him any more, also Tequila Sunrise I think it was. Those 2 are still my favorites and I don't have either one any more. So pretty. Yes, I had my share of NOIDs. With that many all at once to work with and not ready with the setup it happens.
Then, trying to winter them all over. They got aphids that desimated them. I found the best thing to get rid of aphids was a srong blast of water from the hose. However, it is hard to do in this country where we have to drain our hoses and put them away in zero degree weather.
I know that right. Takes a special hose that can put up with winter freezes. So what should I do? I'm thinking of putting a grow light under there. Small one like they hang over kitchen siink.
Maybe they will make it. I saw at garden center you can get insecticde tablet to put in soil, wonder would that work?? I don't
want them to die.
What did you do, Jnette?
Charleen
Thanks Veronica, I try to take as much precaution as possible
since I have lost the Identification On a 3 Brugs. I Really think
the aluminum tags are gold for as never losing the name and
You never have to worry about the Ink fading.
Jeanette
The only time I had mites were Back in march~~~Yuk
I Use Bayer 3 in 1 Products and they all Disappeared.
Every now and then I Had some Huge Caterpillar were
Munching on some Brugs.
Normally if the caterpillar was munching just on the leaves
I will let him get his Belly full. If I see where he has nibble
on a bud he's a goner.
There have been times I have had the caterpillar on a Brug
that I really wanted the leaves to be nice and pretty for a
Photo shot, I Would take the caterpillar and place them
on another Brug in the back Yard that was a Buffet for Him.
Locust~~~~~~~~ They don't get spared at all they all die
A Crucial Death. they have munch on my Plumeria so they
all go to the Gas Chamber.
Charleen, Yes Mam I have seen your pretty Pink Brug.
When I send you your package I am going to add you
a new Orleans Lady. You will love this one the Fragrance
will Knock you to your Knees, It Is The only Brug my wife
love the Fragrance, It's so strong It always smell like a
sweet Tangerine To Me. I Have New Orleans planted on
each corner of the Home so the Fragrance comes from
all Direction when you walk outside.They are all standing
around 6 feet tall and stays loaded.
OK Enough of me Babbling.
CB
That sounds Beautiful. I want to thank you.
I have a Question, I have a friend that has a seed pod on her brug.
It is developing beautiful. How long do you wait til it is mature??
Do you have any seed experience? I sure haven't, but she
was asking me and Now, I'm bothering you both, William and Jnette.
Charleen
Charleen, since this is my first year with seed pods
I am going to let Veronica answer this question.
For as planting seeds I Have around 50 seedling
I am growing out now that I planted from seed
crosses. On the seeds you soak them for 24 Hours
then I peel the cork off of them and place the seeds
on top of soil, Then I sprinkle soil lightly on top of
the seeds where the soil just do cover the seeds.
I Do not plant the seeds deep at all just place them
on some soil then cover them. I have had seeds
germinate within 4 days using this method.
cb
THANK YOU.Veronica, do you have an answer?
When do you pick pods? How to tell if ripe?
Do the change colors on stem, that is my first guess?
Charleen
Charleen,
Maybe I can help with the seed pod. Winter before last my sister had 2 of the red Sanguineas in her greenhouse that I had given her seeds for and they were about 6 feet tall and both blooming. She went on vacation for about a month if I recall right.
Well, I could not resist. I had never done this before and I know it is not the way it is done. However, they were the only ones I had. So, I took pollen from one (clipped the stamens off with manicure scissors) took it over to the other and rubbed them all over the stamens of a flower of the other plant. Then I took a netting and put around it so nothing would happen to it. Believe it or not, it did form a seed pod. So, when my sister came home I told her what I had done and we watched it form. It got bigger, bigger, actually, fatter and fatter. I could feel it and actually feel the seeds after a long time.
Seemed forever. So, someone told me to ask the expert, a lady in Vancouver, B.C. (can't remember her name) (lol she may be reading this) about it and she told me to leave it as long as 9 months!!! Well, by this time, my sister was getting upset with that plant because those 2 brugs had filled her greenhouse with aphids and whitefly which she had never had either before. But she left it. And, 9 months to the day, I took the seed pod off of the plant, and several of us gathered around while I opened it.
Lo and behold, there were so many brown seeds in there!! Totally worth the wait. So much fun. I sent seeds to a lot of people.
Now, I do not know if they all take that long, or what. I am just telling you of my experience with this plant. Have fun.
Jeanette
Seedpods can take up to 4 - 5 months to mature. A few of the species can take more time to mature. During winter, when growth slows down, it takes longer for the pods to mature. Patience is the key.
The seeds are ripe when the seedpod stem turns yellow/brown or dries up. The pod itself may remain green, but once the stem turns brown the seeds in the pod are ripe. Remove the seed, separate them, place them on a paper towel to dry for a few days. This makes them easier to handle as they are slimy when you first take them out of the pod. If your friend is going to plant the seed right away, there is no need to soak the seed. Peeling the corky coat off the seed makes it easy to keep track of the number of seeds that germinate since some may take longer to germinate than others. I hope this helps.
Veronica
CB, I do believe that doosie is about the prettiest brug that I have ever seen(in a pic).
Dee
Jeanette and Veronica, I want to thank you both for the wonderful answers to my Questions.
You all are Great. Sounds like you had Fun Jeanette. Wish I could have seen you.
Veronica, slimy, got to take the good with the bad.
Thank you both.
Charleen
Yes Veronica, that is why I emailed the lady in B.C. Because she dealt mainly with the Sangs. I got the seed originally from Seedrack in Whatcom County, in Washington State. I think it was either 5 or 10 seeds.
I think the whole thing was the type of brug. Why the length of time.
Jeanette
If I were sure my DH wouldn't put me in an insane asylum, I'd air condition a greenhouse just so I could grow the sangs. They were the ones that started my addiction with Brugs. I never tried to grow them when I lived in San Jose and now, here in central Texas, they die by the end of May due to the heat. I've had to give up on trying to grow them.
Charlene, I don't mind slimy, otherwise I wouldn't eat okra. LOL. :-)
I know, I like it too. Even boiled, just got a recipe
for Okra patties I'm going to try. Got to go to a lot of slim to find the good things.
Do the Sangrias smell good too? I get my tree seed from Whatcom too.
Have you all ever joined one of those Brug clubs? What do you think of them?
I am thinking about it. Would like to know what you think, I think ^_^.
Charleen
I joined both of the two we are not supposed to mention here at Dave's. At the time I joined, both had wonderful information to share. Since then one of them, ABADS, appears to be in trouble. Registration of Brugs is now being handled by BGI only and many of the links ABADS had don't work any more. However, I still use those that are still available especially the Register since I can use it to trace the parentage of the Brugs I have. Too bad the links to photos don't work anymore. For some Brugs, it was the only place to see a photo of some of the cultivars. One of the benefits of joining BGI is you can get free seeds from them every three months if you wish.
Sang do not have fragrance. Living in Georgia, I doubt you will be able to grow them if you temperature go above 80ºF. We are in the same plant hardiness zone. They are really easy to germinate. Mine grew really well until day time temperatures reached 80 - 85ºF. Then they started to die, some almost over night.
Your right. They wouldn't make it. The humidity alone would be bad for them.. We can grow them and send them to Jeanette. She doesn't have that harsh a temp. does she Since I found Dave's I have had tree new flowerbeds tilled up, poor DH did it. He wasn't a happy camper but it's safer than falling off mules and horses. So he tilled it for me. Have a terrible staying in the saddle. Got too old and don't want to break any bones, got arthritus enough , don't need any more. But I still love my critters, just don't ride.
Charleen
Veronica, I am testing a orange Sang Here in Florida
For Karma. When I receive this plant on the 8th of this
month the temperature were a whopping 96 Degrees
when the B.Sang Arrive.
Here is a picture of her when the sang arrive.
Cb
Here is the orange B.Sang 23 days later.
not only have the orange B.sang is growing
here in Florida But It has already ~~Y'd.
Here is the orange B.sang 28 days later
showing the ~~Y
Cb
Thank you Dee, Doosie turns heads when
visitor shows up here.
Cb
It gets hot here too,. I found that if I put it out of the direct sun that it did just finel. But, when winter gets here forget it. My sister will not let me use her greenhouse for them. They are a magnet for bugs.
Yeah, they wilt down just like anything else. I found one laying on the hot deck one day. Something had knocked it over and the boards were so hot, but after I picked it up, it did just fine as long as it wasn't in the direct sun
Jeanette
William, I sure hope it does well for you next summer when the true test of its heat tolerance takes place. It would be great to see a sang that would thrive in hot climates.
William just be sure to keep it out of the direct sun. Mine did just fine in near 100 degree weather as long as the sun didn't hit it. Orange should be pretty, altho, I didn't think they were nearly as nice as the others. Just different.
No character to them. Whoops, sorry. Jeanette
They must be awful sweet tasting to attract so many bugs.
They have a tablet you can put in your soil now that has
an insecticide in it, Bayer makes it.
Charleen
Wow Thanks Charleen That is good news.
Now I have to find how to purchase that
one.
CB
Jeanette, I do believe with precaution they can
be grown here. I am always trying to grow the
ones that has been reportedly difficult to grow.
I Have had very good success with the more
difficult ones and not only do they grow here
but seems to thrive.
I have read reports about the Brug adeline
taking 2 and 3 years to bloom for some.
Adeline here in Florida I have had for 8
months and it stays loaded.
I went to my local Lowe's to hunt for some
Hosta and were told by the Garden manager
they do not sell them Because they will not
grow here in the heat. Oh boy how wrong
was he. they are thriving as well as any other
plant. not only they are thriving I planted some
Hosta seeds and they germinated very quickly
as well.
I Read a post somewhere about autumn treasure
not liking the heat as well. well Doris sent me
some cuttings of her autumn Treasure and let
me tell you out of all the cuttings she has sent
Autumn Treasure were the first to root out of
All the cuttings. Autumn Treasure now has out
Grown It's pot twice in 2 months. Now that's
amazing to me. This last week here in Florida
we have been in the 90's all week and
Autumn Treasure sits in full sun all day.
I do Believe when the necessary precaution
is taking one can grow anything they want.
Never give give up on growing what you desire
and if one fail a time of two just change what
has not work on the first or second try.
You can do It
Yes I Believe
it can done.
CB
Very good, I think if you want to try something, it doesn't matter what a book says or some people, cause those plants are going to do what they want if they want to live, they will just keep going and growing.
The miracle of nature.
Charleen
I am trying a sanguinea too. I got this one early this year from a man of a tropical plants community where I am a member of here in the Netherlands. It hasn't flowerd this year. But I am hoping next year. This man said that it always blooms in winter at his place. I hope not because then it will be in my greenhouse an not in my garden.
Hi, Jori. Nice to see you here.
Guess what? I got a baby Brug come up from a seed.
William, I got a sprout. It is in it's own little house.
jeanette and bettydee, I just discovered it was up.
I hope I can make it live.
It is Angel Trumpet-Summer Sunrise. It is so cute...
Charleen