My MG Blooms 2009.

#1 Crimson Rambler - I had thought this one looked similar to Crimson Rambler, but wasn't sure because some of the pics on plant files didn't have the red bars as mine does.

#2 looks like a garden variety ipomoea purpurea. Don't understand why this one doesn't have a name? It was given to me many years ago.

#3 blue shibori purpurea - This is the one I got from the newbee package & looks more blue to me than purple (with the exception of the one odd bloom). This one also has me confused.

#4 Star of Yelta - I had thought this looked like Star of Yelta, but being new, didn't know 'for sure'. This came with a wild flower mix I bought this year.

#5 Milky Way - Figured this was Milkyway, but again was not 'for sure'.

#6 Medium Pink Rambler ? - IS there a MG called Medium Pink Rambler? This one grows with my 'Pink Rambler' & looks just like it, only a LOT darker.

#7 looks like a ipomoea nil(This is the only ipomoea nil in your pictures so far. The rest are ipomoea purpurea. It is probably a cross pollinated kikyo,youjiro or yaguruma or a some kind of small flower going around. I received this one this year (will have to look up where I got it) but it was labeled 'Mt. Fuji Mix' - Maybe it was seeds that came from the 'Mt. Fuji Mix' that had crossed?

#8 Pink Rambler - Mine looks a lot lighter than most of the pics in plant files, but looks just like the first pic in plantfiles.

Thank you again for all of the help & the links.

ants

Karen - I wonder if the Purple Flaked I. purpurea is difficult to cross with an I. nil? I tried this past winter to cross Pink Flaked I. purpurea with an I. nil and had no luck. Aren't the youjiro's also an I. nil x I. purpurea interspecies?

ants - Good observations! You are quite the detective already! :-)

Some of the cultivars will have variations of color on the vines or on volunteer vines from seeds dropped the previous year. And some will throw either a cross or some gene that may not have been previously seen on last season's vines. No one can be absolutely certain what a vine cultivar actually is unless it were to undergo genetic testing. So we are all making educated guesses. We base our IDs on information and photos. Sometimes one or even two photos aren't enough to make a good ID. I always figure that the person who is actually growing the vine sees and knows more details than what is shown in a single photo. And luckily, most PlantFiles have more than one photo. (Except those files that have no photos at all yet.)

ants,

Thanks I did my very best going by pictures. You really are the best judge since you see your flowers in person. I certainly meant no harm by saying garden variety ipomoea purpurea because those can be the most beautiful.If yours has been coming true from seeds for years and has become a fixture of your garden then give it a name.

Becky, The Japanese were successful crossing a i purpurea with a African strain of i nil. I also tried more than 40 carefully controlled crosses of i nil x i purpurea in my garden and they were all no takers. Maybe we need the African strain of i nil? Yes, the youjiros are a hybrid of i nil x i purpurea.

I hope everyone is having a nice evening. :) bye/bye Karen

Karen - Hmmm ... African strain of i nil? Who do we know in Africa? Elsa? LOL!

No harm taken here Karen :) Was just wondering why it didn't have a name. I DOES seem to come true every year. I have seen other peoples pictures that seem to look like it also.

Ok, so the blue shibori purpurea is just a purpurea (not a cross) that has been used to make crosses between purpurea & nil?

ants

ants - The Blue Shibori as you call it IS a cross of I. nil x I. purpurea. It is a Japanese creation and a lovely one at that! :-) But none of us have had any luck crossing it with any I. nils. It will cross with other I. purpureas though. :-)

Edited to say: Thanks to Karen... The Blue Flaked/Shibori is PURE I. purpurea. Not a cross of I. nil x I. purpurea. This was the first I. purpurea cultivar to successfully cross with an African I. nil vine. :-)

This message was edited Aug 29, 2009 5:45 PM

Sorry... I stand corrected :) I guess 'Aomurasakizyouhantenshibori' would be the correct name :) Right? LOL :)

ants

ants, exactly,

Becky, read careful what the print above the picture says. This was used to create the first hybrid crosses. This one is a original pure bred purpurea.

http://protist.i.hosei.ac.jp/Asagao/Yoneda_DB/E/PCD2521/htmls/13.html

Did you send them to arejay to send to newbees?

ants

So, Blue Shibori ipomoea purpurea is the easy for Americans to say name and Aomurasakizyouhantenshibori is the Japanese name.

You need to write and ask arejay. I`m sure the trail would lead back to a purchase from Japan somewhere. Joseph had some that looked a lot like these. I used to see them for sale on ebay.

I have never grown the blue ones straight from Japan. I have the pink shibori ones I bought off ebay and crossed them with another vine to get this one. Some have white and some don`t.

Here is a picture. They look lighter in the picture than in real life though. I`ll have to try and get a better one.

Karen

I hope the F2 from this one will give the combinations of traits I seek. The F1s look boring sometimes.

arejay was on another thread that I frequented. I wonder if I or someone else shared some of my seeds with arejay? I am terrible about keeping track of what I send to who. It's possible they could originate back to me ...

Karen - So ... the blue shibori/flaked is a pure I. purpurea. Hmmm ... so how DID they get that flaked bloom? Inner-breeding?

Interesting bloom, Karen. Do F2 often show more than the F1 blooms?

I`m going to try and capture the rabbit one more time or try and pull one out of my hat.

The results of F2 grow outs being more variable than a F1 is a very complicated question. It depends on what you crossed and the genes involved. The answer could be yes,no or maybe. :)

Karen - Thanks for the specific answer! LOL! I know what you mean. Hard to know for sure until you actually grow out an F2 because of recessive genes.

Anyways, these are the MG's that I have growing :) Will post more pics if any blooms show up on the others. Thanks to all of you for your help & information, links & all.

ants

Ooooh! This one showed up from the seeds labeled 'Mt. Fuji Mix'... What would I call them? If they are actually seeds from 'Mt. Fuji Mix' & not the actual 'Mt. Fuji Mix'. I get so confused! I thought that writing on my page that all of my seeds are open pollinated unless otherwise stated would be enough. Now I don't know. How do all of you handle that?

ants

The seeds of that one is now probably in the category of blue with white picotee ipomoea nil (state foliage solid or variegated) heigth open pollinated. You could just show a picture of your vine with leaves visible if possible,the description of flower color,leaf color,size of vine in heigth and open pollinated. That is a idea. Karen

Ants, you and I have the same MGS growing! don't you just love them? I also recieved all but three of my glories as a newbie from the same people on the mg forum.. well almost all of them.. anyway, I love yours and I wish I had a milky way like you do.. trade ya a jaimie lynn pod or two for a few of your Milky Way. I love your collection...

I have looked through the other thread over & over to try to find your post to respond to you & here it is.... duh :) I have only got 2 pods from my Milkyway so far, others are to high for me to reach right now, but would be happy to trade some with you.

ants

I see that you never got a reply to your earlier post. It is not always easy to determine a MG vine ID, but yours looks a little like a lighter mutant version of "Star of India":
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/43525/

When you don't know an ID, it is okay to mark the seeds ... something like "Blue with white margin NOID I. nil" vine.

Glad you were able to find the post to reply to Debra! :-)

If it came in a Mount Fuji mix there is a chance to get pink or purple vesions because the actual pedigree and what colors are in the history is unknown. Karen

P.S. Becky it does resemble Star of India but according to the description of coming from a Mount Fuji mix it is probably a Mount Fuji that lost the ray pattern but retained the margin and it is unknown what colors occured in the plant`s ancestry.

That is why I suggested going by history that is known,open pollination, pictures and list of characteristics.

Ya`ll have a fun Memorial day! Karen

Good point, Karen! I wondered if the seeds came from a JMG commercial seed pack or from someone in a personally labeled zipbag which may have been mislabeled.

Whatever it is ... it turned out very nice! :-) I hope ants posts future bloom photos! I would love to see what it continues to produce as flowers! ;-)

me too!

Here is a pic of Noah's Orange MG. Camera still hasn't arrived, so pics are still blurry :( I was wondering... Is this forum JUST for morning glories, or is it for any Ipomoea? And why are some of the Ipomoea called morning glories & others are not? Thanks.

ants

Quote the top of Morning Glory Forum page:

{When Walt Whitman wrote, "A morning-glory at my window satisfies me more than the metaphysics of books." he was referring to a twining, vigorously growing vine belonging to the Convolvulaceae family. Their often colorful, funnel-shaped flowers open early and subsequently close up as the day goes by, giving them their common name. Here you can share your pictures, questions and tips for growing these lustrous beauties. Looking for other types of vining plants? Check out the Vines and Climbers forum.}

I suggest a search of the Convolvulaceae family in the Plant Files!

Karen

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/b/Convolvulaceae/none/none/cultivar/0/

Sorry, forgot the link.

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/51759/

ants

Enjoy. That is my favorite search morning glories. :)

Thank you Karen :)

ants

ants - We welcome any vine discussions and photos from the Convolvulaceae family! We love them all! :-)

Glad I didn't tear my vines down yet. Here is the last MG to bloom for me this year.

ants

Ants - What a nice bloom to end the growing season with! Very pretty little flower!

I love that one.. it is a nice blue, and the purple star really stands out..