My MG Blooms 2009.

I don't know for sure what any of thier names are, but believe they are purpurea. Any help with the names for these would be appreciated. This first one is one of my favorites this year. Sorry the pictures are blurry.

ants

MG #2: I've been growing this one a long time. Was one of my first ones.

ants

MG #3: A new one for me this year. Reminded me of an old pair of blue jeans.

ants

Ants, Very pretty M.G.'s
I grow the second one pictured. I think someone called it purpurea. Not real up to date on M.G.'s. Sorry I can't be more helpful.

MG #4: The first MG to open for me this year. Way earlier than any of the others. Another of my favorites.

ants

Thank you cannagirl :)

ants

MG #5: Maybe Milkyway?

ants

Ants, I also grow the 3rd m.g. photo you posted. I want to say, but I could be wrong, that these came from Karen (Gardener2005)

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MG #6: I really loved this one, but think it was a fluke.

ants

I will have to check to see where it came from :)

ants

# 6 is a beauty too! If she's a fluke I would name her ;)

Karen has some beautiful crosses and very knowlegable about M.G.'s....she may know the names of the NOID's you posted.

MG #6 again maybe?

ants

beautiful , Ants! MG #4 almost looks like the center is glowing.. truly pretty stuff there

Thank you Cue :) It really did look like it was glowing! :)

ants

MG #7: Only one bloom from this one so far.

ants

I`ll be proud to say your first photo is Crimson Ramlber.

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/240943/

It`s late. I`ll come back in the morning and see if I can help with the others if noone else has volunteered. :)

Karen

Thank you for your help Karen :) Love that one too :) Is the only 'red MG' I have.

ants

MG #8: Last one for now. I have better pictures of this one, but cannot find them right now & keep having to retype & refind pictures because of tcp errors. So, here is this one. Been growing this one for a long time & is also one of my favorites. Looks 'old fashioned' to me :)

I also have 3 other MG's growing that I am still waiting for blooms from.

Thanks for looking :)

ants

Hey cannagirl, I checked my records & found that my 'Blue Flaked' MG's came from the newbee package I received from arejay. And if Karen (Gardener2005) donated seeds, then that is probably where they came from :) So... Are they? :)

I had one very interesting bloom from them. Let me see if I can find it... Found it :) Looks like it already crossed with MG #2 to me... But that is impossible because it is my first year growing the 'Blue Flaked' MG. I found it very interesting though.

ants

Ants, I didn't keep records on where my M.G.'s came from I'm sad to say. I do know that I got a few from Karen, a few from my sister Trish Ann, some from Riverland's seed swap last year. If arejay had some in Riverlands RR seed box I'm sure I grew a few of those too.

You have a very pretty collection!

Thank you cannagirl. I have little journal books that I keep all of my trade information in. I just have a page or two for each trade I make & write down all information about each trade. I write down DGname, Real name & address, email addy, seeds & or plants I am to send, seeds & plants I am to receive, what it cost to send, what was actually sent, what condition it arrived in, how long it took to send/receive, & whether or not I would like to trade with that person again. Seems like a lot, but if you write it down as you go, it really isn't that bad. And I think it is really neat to know where my seeds & plants came from :)

ants

ants - You are correct in your assumption that ALL the vines you are growing are Ipomoea purpurea. This is probably the most commonly grown garden MG! And they come in a variety of colorful blooms that can cross with each other if grown in the same garden. (Or even neighboring gardens!) Usually bees and hummingbirds do the pollination. They are a good nectar source for our flying garden friends! :-) (Another plus to these beautiful vines!!!)

Here is a link to PlantFiles that lists all the I. purpureas in the database currently:
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/adv_search.php?searcher%5Bcommon%5D=Morning+Glory&searcher%5Bfamily%5D=&searcher%5Bgenus%5D=&searcher%5Bspecies%5D=purpurea&searcher%5Bcultivar%5D=&searcher%5Bhybridizer%5D=&searcher%5Bgrex%5D=&search_prefs%5Bblank_cultivar%5D=&search_prefs%5Bsort_by%5D=rating&images_prefs=both&Search=Search

I hope that you (and others looking for a Morning Glory ID) do NOT take offense to what I am going to suggest next ....

What I would like to suggest is that you look through the photos and see if YOU can ID the vines. I'd like to start encouraging folks to first try to ID a vine for themself because it will help you become familiar with the vines, blooms, cultivars, and habits of these amazing plants! If you still can't ID it, post a photo and ask for help. Many times, if they are not in the database, they may be a cross.

Since you are here on this forum, my guess is that you really enjoy these vines! :-) It is a joy to grow them! I have discovered over the past 3 years that it is also an educational experience to learn about them. Since you are joining the Group Seed Swap, you are about to expand your experience growing Morning Glories. You will be receiving other species of MGs in this swap! And you are going to love them, too!

Take a look at the database photos and see if you can do some detective work and ID your lovely vines by bloom and leaves! :-) And I will be right behind you to encourage you! :-)

ants, you have a beautiful collection
Christine

ants - You do have one I. nil among the group of vines you are growing: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=7000027

Here is the listing of I. nil MGs:
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/adv_search.php?searcher%5Bcommon%5D=Morning+Glory&searcher%5Bfamily%5D=&searcher%5Bgenus%5D=&searcher%5Bspecies%5D=nil&searcher%5Bcultivar%5D=&searcher%5Bhybridizer%5D=&searcher%5Bgrex%5D=&search_prefs%5Bblank_cultivar%5D=&search_prefs%5Bsort_by%5D=rating&images_prefs=both&Search=Search

There is a large selection of the Ipomoea nil species of Morning Glory and more are being created every year! By looking through the current database, you not only get to try your own hand at IDing a vine, but also get to see what other cultivars are offered! Be sure to read the comments about each plant, too! A lot of very helpful information is given by those that post those comments.

Keep in mind though that not all MGs can be ID'ed because they may be a cross, but most probably can be found in the database. :-) Post what you think a vine might be and I am sure that someone here on the forum will concur or suggest another cultivar/species for you to look at for comparison. :-)

I, personally, learn by doing hands-on. When I grow a plant, I take lots of photos! I also really check the plant out. The leaves, the blooms, the stems, the habit of growth all tell me something about that plant. I keep an annual composition book as a garden journal and will write information about each plant in this journal. I also sort the vine/bloom photos by name into sub-folders on my computer for later reference. Especially when doing crosses. That way I can do comparisons by looking at the photos of the parent plants. :-)

This information may be more than you really want to know right now. But you may find it very useful in the future as your interest and love for Morning Glories expands! I am not sure exactly why, but Morning Glories do seem to wrap their vines around our hearts over time! :-)

This message was edited Aug 29, 2009 10:42 AM

Hey Ants,

You have 7 ipomoea purpureas and 1 ipomoea nil. Thanks to arejay for giving these lovely morning glories.

You could probably be certain the blue shibori seeds came from Japan. The seeds change hands here often so they obviously came from someone who bought seeds from Japan and once you trade something with one person everyone and their Grandma will have it. The seeds get propogated and passed around.

They are blue shibori to me but I`m not into the yard long fancy names I can`t pronounce. You can be as expert or non expert as you want. Learning the basics such as specie identification of our vines is very helpful for their care instructions.

#1 Pink Rambler

#2 looks like a garden variety ipomoea purpurea.

#3 blue shibori purpurea (There is a huge Japanese name for that one but I figure in America we can say what we are able to say lol!) So I think short nicknames should be ok.

#4 Star of Yelta

#5 Milky Way

#6 Medium Pink Rambler ? (She looks like a lighter Crimson Rambler but not as light as Pink Rambler seen in the plant files)

#7 looks like a ipomoea nil(This is the only ipomoea nil in your pictures so far. The rest are ipomoea purpurea. It is probably a cross pollinated kikyo,youjiro or yaguruma or a some kind of small flower going around.

#8 Pink Rambler

Karen

Edited to correct mix up

This message was edited Aug 29, 2009 9:18 AM

I would think #5 is Milky Way not Star of Yelta.

Here is a photo of star of Yelta http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/432986/

And this is Milky Way

This is an AWESOME website for newbies and oldies to MGs alike:

http://protist.i.hosei.ac.jp/Asagao/Yoneda_DB/E/menu2.html

It contains a wealth of information!!!

Karen - I, too, agree with Ronnie that #5 is Milky Way. Also, what is the difference between Shibori and Flaked bloom pattern? I think that this bloom photo: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=6999780

... is a Blue/Purple Flaked Ipomoea purpurea.

My ID is based on Dr. Yoneda's flower pattern chart:

http://protist.i.hosei.ac.jp/Asagao/Yoneda_DB/E/species/flower_pattern.html

This message was edited Aug 29, 2009 10:16 AM

Thanks Luvs,

That was a error.

#4 is Star of Yelta

#5 is Milky Way

I think the others are in order.

This message was edited Aug 29, 2009 9:19 AM

I thought so Karen!! ☺

Yeah,I messed something up but we fixed it. I know Milky Way very well too. I`m growin git this year because it volunteers every year and I still have the original seed packet with Milky Way written on it.

Thank you Becky. I prefer to simply call it" blue shibori". As far as the markings if someone wants to specify color or pattern of a individual bloom then sure why not?

Karen

Karen - Does "shibori" mean "flaked" in Japanese? I am curious to know what "shibori" really means and why it is used as part of the name of so many MG cultivars.

This is the meaning that I found by internet search:
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~matc/math5.pattern/ShiboriDefinition.html

This message was edited Aug 29, 2009 10:45 AM

Here is another interesting website about the word "shibori":
http://www.michaelsilks.com/shibori_about.html

I find all of this very fascinating!

ants - There are so many variables with MG blooms and vines, that the possibilites are infinite! I think THAT is what I like so much about MGs! I never get bored with this plant species! It keeps me entertained and in awe year after year! :-)

Shibori is the name for the flower and it doesn`t have to mean "flaked" any more than Crimson Rambler has to mean anything else but the name of Crimson Rambler. Crimson Rambler rambles over the trellis and has crimson spots. It helps to have a artistic background when coping with names people give flowers.

That flaked vine can also have or produce flecked patterns. So I don`t see why not call it shibori flaked or flecked depending on which flower we are looking at. That is only my opinion. Take it or leave it.



This message was edited Aug 29, 2009 10:37 AM

Karen - The reason I asked is that this particular I. purpurea seems to go by various names. Here are 3 different names off hand: Purple Flaked, Purple Shibori, and the one in PlantFiles called, 'Aomurasakizyouhantenshibori' (that's a mouthful! lol). There are other names too, but they are odd, long names similiar to the last name (probably Japanese names). It's interesting to read what Onalee and others wrote as comments about this cultivar in PlantFiles:

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/114242/

I was going by "Flaked" because that flower pattern seems to show everything that this vine bloom has. It does get confusing when a particular cultivar goes by so many different names! I was just wondering why you called it Purple/Blue Shibori. Thanks for your explanation. This is an interesting link:
http://protist.i.hosei.ac.jp/Asagao/Yoneda_DB/E/species/F_patterns/03.html



This message was edited Aug 29, 2009 12:52 PM

Becky,Maybe they think it looks like a type of cloth they are familar with so they have given that name to these flowers. I suppose it is like learning a different language. It requires memorization of completely different from anything we have ever seen concepts that take time before they become familiar. You are right using the term flaked for the flower in this thread.

Shibori(you know what I mean) does have many many variations in i nil and i purpurea but recognizing which kind this one or that one is takes some study and practice. It is easier done by growing them and seeing them in person.

There is another variation of shibori ipomoea nil that has dyed pie slice areas and flecks which is a shibori flecked i nil. I have seen my own pink shibori ipomoea purpurea show a flecked pattern of just tiny flecks scattered over the corolla. I`m still learning a lot of this information myself. Each year I make another discovery in my garden and that just make it more fun.

It is interesting that these patterns were used in interspecific crosses of i nils and i purpureas.

Edited: to put another r in purpurea

Edited again to clarify flowers with this pattern were used in interspecific crosses.


This message was edited Aug 29, 2009 1:36 PM

Karen - Is this Purple Flaked from an interspecific cross of I. nil x I. purpurea? I didn't know that! Or were you refering to a different vine cultivar?

All the names make my head spin round and round!! "A rose by any other name is still a rose" (sorry couldn't resist! LOL)

No, but they say on the Kyushu site that this Akazyouhantensibori
Bluish purple flaked i purpurea (that looks like what I call Shibori Blue to avoid going crazy and getting carpal tunnel-can`t confirm that is It) was the first strain used to create a interspecifuc hybrid with a African strain of i nil. Maybe the flower in this thread is related to this strain that was used?

http://protist.i.hosei.ac.jp/Asagao/Yoneda_DB/E/PCD2521/htmls/13.html

And then we have currently maintained strains from results of these interspecific hybrids like Seiwa.

http://protist.i.hosei.ac.jp/Asagao/Yoneda_DB/E/PCD2521/htmls/27.html

Pretty cool huh?

This message was edited Aug 29, 2009 1:21 PM

Karen - I didn't know that. Thanks for the information. I apparently need to dig deeper into Dr. Yoneda's website. That IS cool! So this Purple Flaked is actually an I. purpurea x I. nil ! I love it!!!!

Ronnie - The main reason I ask (for clarification on names) is because I need to know what to label the seed bags when I trade them! LOL! But I am also very interested to know where they originated and how they came to be. When you look at typical I. purpurea blooms ... I couldn't figure out how in the heck a purple or pink flake blooming I. purpurea vine showed up! It has the bloom size and shape, leaves, and growth habit of an I. purpurea. LOL! Now it makes sense to me if it is a purpurea crossed with a nil. It's one of those ah ha! moments! :-D

This message was edited Aug 29, 2009 2:37 PM

No, they used that kind to make the first crosses with the African strains of i nils. It has a history of being used for interspecific crosses which I think is neat.