I bought minclover from Outside Pride and was told by the owner that it was comparable in size to DLF's microclover. I wanted a fescue/small clover mix in my yeard where the clovers did not grow large.

Now established, the minclover is better described as macroclover, or very large clover. The diameter of the leaf is larger than any other lawn clover I have ever used and often exceeds 2 inches in diameter. It also is growing very tall very fast and dwarfing my fescue.

If you truly want small clover to mix with your grass, contact DLF (miniclover developed in Europe) and they will direct you to a distributor.

I have just received my 3rd order from this company over the past two years and have found them to be 1) professional, 2) courteous 3) an outstanding seed value.

Much of the criticism of this company seems to have absolutely nothing to do with gardening. And, much of that which is seems to have more to due with opportunism than genuine seed issues.

Smart companies, I think, don't fall into a no-win trap like the one they fell info years ago.. I suspect they learned a valuable lesson.

First time ordering from this company. VERY PLEASED with the experience! Better quantity than some other online sites. Price a little higher than some, but shipping cheaper. Received seeds very promptly; about 3 days from order, not like some others that make you wait up to 3 months to ship on "their schedule"!

I saw the last review and had to comment. I too have planted Combat Extreme turf type fescue as so have two of my neighbors. We are only about 1/2 hour from Outsidepride and they give us free shipping on the seed since we are kind of local. The grass is easy to sprout and has grown great for us the last 3 years. I have not even overseeded and it is still thick and a nice green color. My neighbors this last year were so impressed two of them have since bought from Outsidepride as well. There customer service is fast and friendly as well.

Early this spring I bought 50 lbs of Combat Extreme grass seed from this company. After having a landscaper do all the work of de-thatching, liming (pursuant to a pH test), overseeding and fertilizing, the grass came up nicely within about 4 weeks. Three months later (following faithful watering through the dry spell) it looks awful. I sent an email to OutsidePride hoping for advise or a place to rate the product. The "Customer Service" person just called me an idiot and extolled the virtues of this product, borne out by thousands of happy customers who KNOW what they're doing - unlike stupid me. I was floored by the meanness of the response and will not do business with this company again. It's certainly possible that I did something wrong, though I can't imagine what. When a business cares more about its product than its customers, something is seriously wrong. I'm finished with Outsidepride.com.
I just wish I'd known about Dave's Garden. I would have checked here first.

I've ordered from outside pride several times. I am very pleased with their products. I used combat extreme in my back yard to cover about a half acre. It has grown in well. I also use and love their soil doctor product. My front lawn has never look so good. I'm now looking into purchasing some of their ground covers. I will definitely continue doing business with outsidepride.com

I bought LazyMan Soil Doctor for my yard. Order number OUT-281463 a few months ago. After just two applications my lawn looks tons better. The order shipped out the next business day and I received the product 3 days later. It was a good buying experience.

Note from the Garden Watchdog editors...

The "Web Site" indicated the product as 3.0 oz. of nut killer.
My invoice also stated 3 ounce pouch of nut killer. I received
.03 pouch.
I sent an e-mail asking if the product was back ordered.
Their reply "Sorry for the confusion, but you received one
box which is correct. The web site just converted the .03 in
to 3. The box still covers 1,000 square feet just like the
site says". That may be but, that was not what they
advertised and I can get .03 much cheaper off the shelf,
without paying postage.

Aloha! About 6 weeks ago I bought Seashore Paspalum grass seed from Outsidepride.com. The germination was a little slower than I thought it would be (about 2 to 3 weeks), but once it got started it really came in great! The lawn is nice and thick and this is supposed to be a salt tolerant grass so I think it will work well here in Hawaii. My order number was OUT-214762

Note from the Garden Watchdog editors...

I've ordered from Outsidepride a few times now. Twice for grass seed (Combat Extreme (southern mix) and Showtime) and once for some groundcover (Irish Moss) with the lime/fertilizer mix. Planting was in the Seattle area.
To a previous posters point (and the credit of the company response) the lime mix is a SEPARATE container. you add the seed bag to the lime canister, shake it up well, and sprinkle away. Worked great to fill in between pavers. Took about 6 weeks to grow in full sun, 8 weeks in the shaded areas.
I've planted "Showtime" grass seed twice in my front lawn. It looks incredible and is very soft (fine blades). The first planting was a July planting. The lawn was full in 1 month. Very minimal creep from the grass (less than 1/2" per year)
Combat Extreme was planted in back (for the dogs). It is pretty tough, but not fire-and-forget. Regular fertilizer helped it creep faster into areas the dogs destroyed. In general, the first planting crept about 2-3 inches per year.
My second seeding attempt is about 1.5 weeks old, was a late-September planting. The Showtime is popping up now, but the Combat Extreme is lagging behind (I seem to recall this was the same last time I seeded).

Both grass seeds have been virtually weed free. My first planting was on a new dirt bed (6"-18" of topsoil), as part of a new landscape. Three weeds across the entire yard (3 weeds in a 1500sqft of yard isn't too shabby). My current planting is showing some weed patches (looks like a groundcover), but it's not from the seed. I had one part start to pop before I seeded, and the other patches are identical. It's not lawn-wide, so I know it's not the seed. I'll pick the weeds out by hand once the lawn is established.

As far as the owners personal opinions, I disagree, but don't care. It was wrong to send out that email, but I respect his right to have his opinion. He should have kept it to himself. The company makes a good seed, is prompt in delivery and a mid-order change was as easy as a single email.

I have recommended both the Showtime and Combat Extreme seeds to many friends. The Showtime mix, in particular, garnered a number of comments from neighbors and friends after the first planting. It really does look nice.

I recently placed an order for seeds from Outsidepride through Amazon. I received my order surprisingly fast, just a few days after ordering. The seeds are of sufficient quantity and well-packaged. Would buy from them again.

I purchased Outsidepride's Combat Extreme Northern Zone grass seed. Our lawn has not looked this good in over 10 years. Several of our neighbors have come by to marvel at the transition during the last month since we planted the new grass seed. Our lawn is stunning and lovely to look at. Special thanks to Kim for selecting the perfect seed for us!

I ordered a product from this company and it worked well. I was considering making a large purchase of product to cover a pasture on a agricultural parcel, so I went shopping around for competitors as well as opinions of the products.

Through research I found out about outside pride's email marketing in 2006. Where is the apology for broadcasting this "opinion" to customers?

Honest businesses can sell fertilizer and seed products without misusing direct marketing to sell their "opinion". They had 5 years to provide an explanation or assurance and have failed.

I bought over $500.00 from outside pride. I am completely disapointed. Soil doctor is no good. Bought hundreds of dollar in seeds, all I got were bottles with lime. I actually spread the contents of the bottles on cookie sheets to find the seeds, not a single seed even under a magnifying glass was found
. Where is this company based? Can anybody investigate or control this company.

"On Sep 25, 2011 9:10 PM, Outsidepride.com responded with:

This posting was just simply absurd. Bottles of lime?? Our Shake 'N Seed bottles are filled with soil, starter fertilizer, and micronutrients. The seed is sold separately. We have not sold bottles premixed in lime in almost a year and the seed was definitely in the bottles. Many ground cover seeds are dustlike and the hydrated lime coats the seed pure white. There is no way you can see the seed in the lime, although I don't believe this person has ever even bought from us. I believe this post was completely fabricated. Our A+ BBB rating speaks for itself and so does our 97% lifetime approval rating in Amazon. It is unfortunate this forum just gets used by those who try going around try to damage companies that have been in business over a decade."

I've ordered from them several times Morning Glory Ipomoea tricolor Heavenly Blue, and got every time Ipomoea purpurea purple. The last time I ordered 50 pounds which was drop shipped from an other company. When I realized the seeds, that were marked as Heavenly Blue did not look like Heavenly Blue and called them, I was told, complaints can only be made through email. They allegedly had to get back with the first supplier in India to obtain a photo identification, and i was assured that it is indeed heavenly blue what I got and that seeds from different crops can look differentely and be lighter than usual. I was doubtful, but believed and kept the seeds. Some weeks later after growing, they turn out to be purpurea. Now I am stuck with 50 pounds of seeds that I didn't want. I emailed the company again to let them know and was ignored. Of course! How could they respond to their own lies. They have no idea what they are selling, because they use drop shippers for their orders. Bad business practice. I certainly won't order from them again.

"On Aug 11, 2011 6:40 AM, Outsidepride.com responded with:

There was no mistake made at all with this order. Unfortunately, we believe this person was trying to pull a scam on us. They ordered from us several times, always got the wrong seed, but kep on ordering from us?? This last time they ordered they even increased their order up to 50 lbs. It was immediately shipped to them via a 3rd party vendor. The received the seed very quickly, but did not believe it was the correct seed. We offered to pick the seed up at our expense and refund the order. They said no and they would keep the seed. Almost a month later they said it is the wrong seed and they have 50 lbs of seed that is worthless. Through a long email exchange it can obvious of many fabrications. One of which they did not even have 50 lbs of seed any more because they had been selling it all along. Even though 10 lbs were already sold, we offered to pick up the seed and issue a full reimbursement if it was the incorrect seed. If it was the correct seed we would issue a refund on every pound returned and we would pay all the shipping costs. The customer refused! They wanted to keep all the seed and be us just pay them! Even though the seed was worthless, it couldn't be used, they did not even want us to pick it up and refund them for it? They wanted to keeping sell all the seed and get a refund for the seed which was exactly what they ordered. They also refused to talk to one of our seed experts who could identify and prove the seed was correct. This person refused every option we presented them and all they were looking for was free money. We believe the recession is taking a toll on people and some of them are resorting to nefarious means to get extra cash even though it involves complete dishonesty. We have a A+ BBB rating and a 97% Amazon.com approval rating for our quality and service."

May 14, 2011. I was concerned about some negative order feedback reviews on this site, but decided to order seed from Outsidepride.com anyway. I was pleasantly surprised with an immediate email order confirmation email with a UPS pre-ship tracking number from the company. They shipped one day after the order, UPS was on-time, and it was packaged very well. My purchase experience could not have been more professional or handled better. In Arkansas transition zone.

Don't deal with these crooks!!! After I placed my order I received a confirmation, an email stating that my order had been processed, another email stating that my order had shipped along with a UPS tracking number. Come to find out it never shipped. I was stuck losing a rental deposit because the seed didn't arrive when it was supposed to. There is no phone number to customer service so I emailed and the person that responded was rude and didn't help at all. I ended up charging back my credit card AND filing a BBB Complaint!

"On Aug 11, 2011 6:31 AM, Outsidepride.com responded with:

Unfortunately, this person was a victim of an inventory malfunction. The web site inventory was off so it allowed an order to be process even though there was no inventory. The next day when this was noticed and the order was to be shipped, the customer was immediately notified we did not have the inventory and he was immediately refunded. He did not issued a chargeback as he was immediately refunded so this is a complete lie. He also never filed a BBB complaint at all as he was immediately taken care of so this is also a complete lie. We wish customers would at least tell the truth about their experience with us. We did make a mistake, but we took care of it immediately."

Posted on March 18, 2011, updated March 25, 2011
This was my irst order with this company. Received product in timely manner. However, that's the only good thing.
I ordered what I thought were "shake" containers of groundcover seed -- but received envelopes of seed instead. I'll work with what I got, lesson learned. Also ordered a garden hose sprayer of fertilizer. It arrived damaged and leaked EVERYWHERE. What a mess. Only about 1/4 bottle remains. I called the company to express my disappointment about the seeds and to see how to use the rest of the fertilizer since the bottle neck actually cracked off. The people that answer ONLY take orders. The "order support" department only accepts emails, and I was told will not call me back. Despite my specific request to speak with a human being about how to use what I received from them. My name, order number and email address were taken and I was told I'd recieve an email from them soon.
Stuff happens in the mail, so I'm understanding about that, and I never call companies with problems until now. Not being able to reach a person and get my questions answered quickly and painlessly will make this company last on my list to order from ever again.

I bought a 2lb bag of white dutch clover seed from outsidepride. It was the very reasonably priced and I received the seeds within a few days. I had a very high germination rate and my back yard looked green and lush for the first time in years, despite my terrible clay soil. (I also mixed it with 50% fescue grass seed which I bought from the hardware store down the street) I have since ordered 3 more bags of clover over the past 6 months. All seeds were shipped within days and I have had a high percentage of germination. I will continue to order from them in the future. I wish I could post before and after pictures. I actually get compliments on my lawn for the first time in years.

Their price on a mixed-purpose garden innoculant for legumes, vetchs, peas, beans etc was far the best I found, and they were one of the few not out-of-stock.

Their shipping cost was very reasonable and you could find out what it would be before giving a credit card number and address. The website was easy to navigate.

I placed an order before reading these reviews. I haven't had time to get any newsletter propaganda yet, but if they really try to post fluff reviews of themselves here, I would still boycott them for lack of integrity.

I Recieved 1000 Ice Plant"Table Mountain",and 5000 Sedum"Dragon's Blood" ground cover seed within a week,
and both were a great success, and are ready to plant. I will order again, if I need anything more.

Earlier this year I ordered Outsidepride's " Annual Short Wild Flower Mix." I had never grown wildflowers, and I emailed them for some help with planting. Their service was great! And, I have thoroughly enjoyed my colorful wildflowers all summer. Great seed and great service, thank you!

I recently bought rye grass seed for my lawn from Outsidepride.com. This shipment arrived in four to five days just as the email notification said it would. It came with a planting guide and I followed the directions. The seed starting sprouting within 6 days! I now have a beautiful, weed free rye grass lawn. Now I just need to get a mower to keep up with it.

I read about this company's product Lazyman Liquid Gold in a local newspaper. It's an lawn aerator, dethatcher and conditioner. I told my husband about it- it seemed too good to be true, instead of mechanically aerating the lawn you just spray this stuff on-My husband is a lawn freak and spends half his life trying to make the lawn perfect. We ordered it. My husband applied the product to the lawn and included an area of our yard that we have completely ignored forever because the soil is hard as a rock and nothing but weeds will grow there, and when it rains the water just puddles up.

After two applications my husband says he'll never go back to mechanical aeration. He spent a fraction of the time he usually spends on aerating and the lawn looks great. And that patch of yard we've never used? Now we do- not only is the soil diggable, but the annuals I planted there are actually growing! Neither of us can believe it.

That said, my husband and I are now customers and love this stuff.

I ordered the LazyMan Liquid Gold and Showtime grass seed. I treated all of the lawn area with the LazyMan product and watered it several days. Then I planted the seed. The only areas that have poor germination are the areas I filled in with untreated dirt as fill-in for some low spots. I spilled LazyMan in a spot and the grass is a thick carpet. To see the stark contrast is unbelievable. I have done many lawns and never seen such great germination results. The Showtime grass is beautiful and weed-free. I’m a LazyMan believer and am spreading the word. Got my prodcuts quick too.

I recently placed an order for Combat Extreme grass seed. The seed came quickly and came up even quicker. It makes a fairly good shade grass and I recommend it for that purpose. I have not tried it in the sun.

I have placed numerous orders from the company and have found them to always have a quality product. I also asked them a couple of questions about Panda Zoysia seed and they responded via email in a very timely fashion.

I received my seeds as ordered. They were packaged well and were accompanied by detailed care instructions. The questions I had were answered in an accurate and timely manner.
I read his letter and agreed with its contents. I admire him for standing up for what he believes.
Assuming good germination, I will buy from him in the future.

I ordered their critter repellent and it worked great to keep the racoons and mice out of my barn, I received excellent customer service and received my product very quickly. I will definately buy from them again. Thanks Outsidepride.com

Note from the Garden Watchdog editors:

I ordered a couple hundred dollars of prairie grasses (Buffalo and Blue Grama) Zoysia, clover and alfalfa two years ago. It germinated ok, not great, but ok. I later found the seed quite a bit cheaper which was a drag. I would have given this company a neutral if it hadn't been for their blatant misuse of their mailing list. Not only do i not share their opinion, i am offended by it.

I also find it very suspicious that several of their recent positive comments are from people who signed up the very day they left the comment. None of them are subscribers and none of them have left feedback for any other company. I also haven't found any posts from these people either...

You can garuntee I wont be ordering from tis company, again. After receiving an email SPAM about some political boloney he sent after his policy on his site clearly states that you email addy will only be used for ordering information, I was not thrilled. Then to find out that it is some junk about homosexuals and how it's on TV???
I am too busy gardening to be watching TV. Maybe the president of this company needs to be out gardeing more, too.
I can only say that my trust in a company that states that they wont SPAM you with email, and then does, is untrustowrthy. I also don't appriciate my email address being used for politcal purposes.

I recently emailed Outsidepride.com, Inc. about an inexpensive groundcover in seed form that I could spread primarily for erosion control. They recommended white dutch clover seed for that purpose. I ordered it online and had it within 3 days. I planted it and just a month later I have a lush clover groundcover. It was exactly what I wanted!

I don't know anything about a newsletter and I don't really care. It is a free country and everybody has a right to express their opionion. If you do not like it, just unsubscribe.

I recently bought 10 lbs of their Combat Extreme grass seed. I planted it and within about 2 weeks I had sprouts everywhere and not a single weed!! It has now been about two months since I planted and it is turning in to a thick, green lawn and still no weeds. I would recommend this grass seed to anyone. I emailed them about what type of fertilizer to use and when to fertilizer and I got a helpful response back within 2 hours. I don't know if it is always this fast, but my experience has been great. I alway received the seed in just 4 days from when I ordered.

Note from the Garden Watchdog editors:

Hate mail?? There was no hate about it. The President simply expressed his opionion that the media is trying to promote homosexuality as normal behavior. How can you argue with that with you agree with him sending the newsletter or not, it certainly wasn't hate mail. Saying you disagree with someone and thinking what they do is wrong doesn't make you hate them. If someone lies to you (which most of us would agree is wrong), do you hate them or think what they did is wrong? Just because you disagree with homosexuality certainly doesn't mean you hate homosexuals! That is just ridiculous.

Anyway, I have been buying seed from them for years and I always appreciate their fast service and high quality seed.

Note from the Garden Watchdog editors:

I USED to be a customer. How can a person send hate mail like that to "literally tens of thousand [sic] of you reading this email right now" and think that it's okay? All because he didn't like that he saw gay people on TV??? People are human beings and we all deserve to be treated fairly. Anyone that explicity tells me that he doesn't have basic respect for another person is not someone I want to do business with (particularly when I didn't ask for his opinion). He won't be seeing another dime of my money. This guy is a crazy bigot and I'll be telling everyone I know.

I am a former customer of Outside Pride. The recent hateful e-mail sent by the company president has cost them my future business. First of all, using your company newsletter to express your point of view on moral issues is bad business practice. He is certainly entitled to his viewpoint, but I subscribed to the newsletter to learn about gardening products, not so he could rant about how the country is being taken over by homosexuals. The God I worship sent his Son to save ALL human beings who choose to believe in Him, even those who are born--yes born--with differences in whom and how they love. If you base your business on the principle of "In God We Trust," then you'd better quit putting that God in a box by assuming He is not capable of loving all persons. I will NEVER do business with this company again, and I will be telling all my gardening friends to avoid the site as well.

Also a previous customer of OP (my earlier comment got deleted as well since I didn't actually SAY I had ordered from them [marigold seed], but if you end up on a company mailing list, generally its because you've done business with them).

I also received the email and honestly didn't believe that someone would actually do that. It goes against every iota of good sense to use your customer list as a vehicle to promote your opinion if your opinion does not directly relate to the course of your business. Anyone that would send anything declaring how another human being is morally wrong IN A COMPANY NEWSLETTER to customers should be ashamed of themselves. You'll notice that the only positives are from people who explicitly agree with his viewpoint and are disregarding the fact that he violated the tenets of responsible email marketing. Stay away from this company.

I can't believe the 4 negatives about the newsletter that Outsidepride.com, Inc. sent out. All it was was an opinion! If you don't like it all you had to do is hit the unsubscribe link which the President mentioned is his opening paragraph. I for one agree totally with the email and think people that are supposed to be "tolerant" should quit being so judgmental themselves. Their products are great and their service is great and I will be a customer for life.

Note from the Garden Watchdog editors:

As a previous customer of Outsidepride.com (Reference order #51836 so that DGs admin does not sensor out my comment again), I think it is completely and totally inappropraite to send hate mail to a customer base, let alone sensor out someones experiences with a company because there was no order number. Do not do business with this company that encites hate toward others.

I have personally dealt with this company. My experience was that they used my email for inappropriate contact by sending hateful and racist comments. I am Not part of a group-purchase. I reviewed my Feedback before posting. Attempt to contact the company has been ignored. No response to email or phone messages.

I used OutsidePride a year ago to order some wildflower seed. It was fine, not great. Maybe 1/4 of the flowers that they said were in the mixture bloomed. Fine, I've added additional seed and it's been OK. Then today I received the completely inappropriate email from their president. I don't care what your personal opinions are - you're a seed company. How dare you spam your customers with your political agenda? I will never use them again.