From local nurseries:
Mail order clematis question
and from Garden Crossings:
All the holes are dug so this weekend shall be quite busy planting all the new babies in the garden.
Thanks for the new vendor name, CG! I had never heard of Completely Clematis before (though perhaps that was a good thing considering my addiction!). I'm off now to see about ordering 'Snow Queen' .... =)
EDIT: Here's a link to a list of the cultivars I've already received:
http://davesgarden.com/community/journals/vbc/BlissfulGarden/76224/name2/
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Hmmm, the info on Garden Watchdog for Completely Clematis doesn't sound favorable, but it's mostly old info. The price for 'Snow Queen' on the site is $22.00, but it doesn't say what size plant that covers. Has anyone ordered from Completely Clematis recently? Thanks for any info! Ev =)
Not a lot of snow queen around, I was hapy wth them.
Wow Bliss you sure have a lot of planting to do.....good for you and all your purchases! Yay! Have fun!!!
Man, and I thought I ordered a lot of stuff this spring! Mine weren't all clematis, though, just 6 of them. Lots of perennials, though.
blissful , i just saw it was you looking for snow queen. saw a lot of pot bound # 1's here locally today of snow queen, for 12.99. don't know if they ship, but they are a good value for the $$. lotta root, practically rescues so pot bound.
blissful, my joy creek order was here when i got home this morning, i was happy with it. put about half of them in today. got hoshi no flamenco, had ordered two and got them. also rebecca, ruutel which i had really wanted.
feel lucky, lots of clems to plant.
CG, could you send me the info for who had the 'Snow Queen' via dmail? Or, if there is something from our region that you want that is hard to find up there (obviously, not clematis, because we have almost none down here) perhaps we could trade plants.
Irwells, you know from the Roses forum how much I got in roses this year too... This may sound horrible, but since my elderly care duties ended (both of hubby's parents, hubby's childless uncle, my grandmother), I have gone completely nuts in the garden. It's therapy for me that I just had no time for before. I think I'm just trying to get all the plants that take a while to mature in now before my next round of elderly care begins with my own parents (hopefully many years off!). In three years, I will look at my mature garden and be very happy I was slightly insane this year!!! =P
Blissful, I just looked at your list of Clematis purchased in the last couple of weeks.
Do Clematis grow from cuttings?
If they do, you're my new best friend! (hint)!
What a list!!
Blissful,
We've had 3 parents die after suffering from COPD, but were lucky that they were able to afford in home care. Kept the most onerous duties from us, which was a real blessing. Paul has a 92 year old aunt in Dallas that never married, that has been pretty active until the last couple of years. He goes over at least once a week to see her. She at least never smoked, so doesn't have the breathing problems the others did. I will say that my siblings and I never smoked, as well as all of our kids. Paul, my sister, her husband and I are all accountants, and Mother, who never had a thought she didn't voice, said she wouldn't die before April 15th, and she was right! June 15, 2004!
I know what you mean, though. Once you have all of that freedom you kind of go nuts. One of my (many) problems is all of the catalogs that come in the mail while we're slaving at the office preparing tax returns. Next year I'm going to tell the receptionist to hide them from me, or throw them away. Of course, that doesn't prevent me from seeing the emails!
Just entered all of my roses in my gardening journal, I'll try to do clematis some other time.
Lynn
tabasco, i have almost 300 varieties of clem and over 400 clem plants with dupes. you can come over here and take cuttings. you are close to me. i can not cut and mail pieces, i am nice, but not that nice. but you are less than 90 minutes from me. i might start some cuttings myself if you do as we would need a vine semi woody, so early july probably best for this. too green and potential for rot, too woody and it is not as viable.
so i would say early july and we could do it.
i rarely start cuttings, but have done so from species types such as paul farges for gifts for friends. i mostly layer them in the ground vs cuttings.
tabasco, if it is a clem with propagation restrictions you tae a cutting form you can pay a very small royalty to the entity that owns the registration. usually those are evison cultivars, but this would be minimal cost and easy to do. i will research if you feel you do want to come over and get cuttings.
CG, doesn't Debbie have the royalties listed on the Silver Star site with each clem she sells? I think it's 60 cents or something minimal like that for each of the patented ones. That's much less than purchasing the rooted plant! Tabasco, it's your lucky July! =)
Oh, thanks, ClemG for the offer. It would be fun to do some cuttings and see what would come of it!
I'm not very experienced with cuttings but it would be an interesting way to expand a collection.
And of course I would pay a fee to the patent holders.
Must run now. The Kentucky Derby is on! t.
exactly re royalties, we cold figure it out and just mail a check to evison.
Evie..just call me jealous...What is the name of the LOCAL nursery where you got those..they look fab...Jeanne
I got them from Naylor's here in Baton Rouge... they purchased them from a wholesaler named Parks Brothers, which is located in Arkansas. I already checked, but Parks Brothers doesn't offer mail order! =(
Silver Star sent me the 6 Clems I ordered, on time, and in great shape - clearly well developed root system and ready to bloom this year. All the rest of the Clems I've ordered have still not bloomed (or had only a couple of blooms) after 2 years in the ground. I'd far rather pay a bit more and get quality! - Anne King
Yep, you've got to have patience to get the smaller ones... but these days, I have a lot more patience than money! Like Audrey Hepburn said, "To plant a garden is to believe in tomorrow." =)
anne, could not agree more, but i buy the little ones too. but i save the display space for the ssv vines and plant the little ones in a trial area where i can tend them and enjoy them and perhaps, eventually move them if i want to, or not be upset about the risk of failure in a key area. this is why it is good to grow the little ones on in pots for a couple of years and you can see how they perform, but i use the in ground trial area, which is attractive but out of site.
ssv's get the "pride of place" space!
LOL, CG, what you wrote is essentially what I had written last week in my review of my SSV purchase on Garden Watchdog. =)
http://davesgarden.com/products/gwd/c/4995/
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Ev,
Where is Park's Brother's located?? do they sell to the public or just wholesale?
Sounds like somewhere I need to be heading .................... ^_^
Genna
Genna, they're in Van Buren near Fort Smith... so about 250 miles from you. I had also considered taking a drive up there, combining it with checking on my grandparents' graves in El Dorado or when we go to Branson, but then I realized they're way over by Oklahoma. =(
Very informative discussion. I should try Silver Star as well. Thanks for starting this thread Ev.
My pleasure, Betra. You know, you should post the link that you put over in Mid-South for the clem ladies as well... the one with all the beautiful roses and clematis growing on that gentleman's house. Those were GORGEOUS! I was so happy you shared the link with us. Evey =)
Alrighty, I have some blooms from the new clems to post. I am hoping they are all true-to-name. For one ('Superba'), I couldn't find any photos of what it should look like. It started out opening as a single, but then blossomed out even further. I'm very happy with this one, as I wasn't expecting the fullness in a montana bloom! I will be clipping future buds as the vines produce, but I wanted to let at least one bud open per plant to verify I had what I ordered. Here are pics of what's bloomed so far:
montana 'Superba':
montana 'Pink Perfection':
'Blue Light' as a single:
'Climador':
'John Paul II':
'Josephine':
They're beautiful, BG. I especially love climador. I don't know anything about the Montanas. I need to find a good source to read about the differences in the various varieties, or rather classifications, i.e., viticella.
I feel like an addict going through withdrawal right now, as I'm forcing myself to stay inside and do some long overdue household chores in case I have company tomorrow. I want to go outside and get my hands dirty and plant clems. I also need to learn more about the ones I have instead of purchasing any more. I SWEAR I'm through buying!!!!!!!!!!!! Is there a "clems anonymous" organization?
Climbador is my favorite at this point too! There is also a 'Pink Climador' that is just beginning to open for me now. I hope it has the same richness of color as the original... it's got so many hues fusing together in that one bloom... and it has gone from truly deep blue as it began opening to a symphony of purples, blues and pinks all swirling together when seen in sunlight. Beautiful!
Here's a pic from when it was first opening:
This is as close as I could get to General Sikorski this morning
As requested by Evey, here is the link of clems and roses. The credit goes to the first person who posted this link.
http://www.westvalleyrose.org/roseinfo/climbersinthelandscape.html
These photos are unbelievably gorgeous. I am wondering about the last statement about watering, however. I thought I read that the most common cause of clem death was over-watering. I've been careful not to water mine every day, although with this 90 degree heat, I'm wondering if I'm doing the right thing.
sharkey, i can only speak for my area and experience. but when you have a little liner in, it needs water most every day in hot weather, at least in the beginning and then every other (if top dressed well with compost to help retain soil mositure). this is one reason why attrition rate of little liners is high....the roots are not deep enough or established to go to the availalble moisture. a bigger established plant will reach for the moisture. you want the roots to do that. a plant that does not have to work for the moisture and goodies of the soil is a lazy plant who will not be firmly established, even if it looks green and growing.
so watering deeply less often with clems is good, but those liners can dry out easily.
the minimum watering for my establlished and semi established clems from june on is deep watering 2 times a week even if we are getting some rain. this means flooding the ground around the clem to help the area not dry out as fast and the clem getting a big , deep drink. unless i am really pinched for time i do the watering from the ground level, not sprinkler style. i have done that, but it is less effective and some clems can get posdery mildew if in close quarters, partial shade and high humidity.
one thing i have done the last 2 or 3 years is water on this schdeule even if we are getting some rain. unless it is a lot of rain, i still do the deep watering and do it all thru the growing season, used to let up in sept and oct.....but keeping up the deep watering thru these months has really helped my plants establish better.
your climate is so warm, and soil i am sure different, so your requirements may be different.
hope this helps.....some of the southern folks may have more of a local view .....
Sharkey, I also wondered about Shirley's advice to soak overnight and then fill the hole with water when planting too. I must admit, I did not do that. Shirley lives in a very different environment than us, though, so she may not be able to imagine that our air (yours and mine) is typically very damp. It would take forever for a planting hole purposefully filled with water to dry out here, and I fear the roots would rot in the meantime. I do soak bareroot plants that I receive overnight (typically roses), but the clems were already well-hydrated when I received them. So, no worries. There were only a few that I worried about after arrival... most from a large shipment from Donahue's that arrived very banged up. I talked with their retail manager and she offered to replace any that were still showing stress 10 days out. Well, yesterday was the 10-day mark and only one of theirs is looking unhappy at this point. The only other clem that had trouble, out of 75 total ordered this season, was one from Joy Creek. All of theirs arrived heavily pruned, many with no leaves. All except one has leafed out beautifully, but this one just sits there... doing nothing. It's a montana, so I had anticipated it would be bursting before now, so I wrote to Joy Creek asking for advice. They immediately wrote back that they are replacing the plant. So, out of 75 mail-order clems, only 2 with problems... I'd say that's a great result for the season. I had a greater percentage of damaged iris rhizomes last season, and clems are much more fragile for shipping. I've been very impressed with the clem nurseries, and also with the ability of the clems to rebound.
My other problem is SLUGS. Here's poor Huvi... the slugs adored him.
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Another John Paul II bloom, also showing slug damage:
